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AA To Upgrade ORD-BRU And MIA-SCL To 772’s  
User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7403 times:

Effective from 1st May 2009, AA plans to upgrade both the Chicago-Brussels and Miami-Santiago routes to 777’s from the current 763’s. Both upgrades are tentatively planned to be permanent and year-round (not seasonal), though obviously this is subject to change.


Ryan / HKG
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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7356 times:

SCL sounds great. But ORD-BRU, does that really call for a 777, or does AA have so many T7's that they just don't have another route to take advantage of it's capacity/range? Just curious as it seems BRU is more than well served from the US for what it is as a destination.


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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

That's pretty sweet.

As an enthusiast, it's great to see more european routes seeing the 777 from AA. I believe LHR is the only city to see the 777 in europe from AA?

Alex



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User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7328 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 1):
SCL sounds great. But ORD-BRU, does that really call for a 777, or does AA have so many T7's that they just don't have another route to take advantage of it's capacity/range? Just curious as it seems BRU is more than well served from the US for what it is as a destination.

Star alliance and codesharing with SN maybe? Damn same debate as the Continental one! BRU isn't Madrid, Copenhagen or Madrid. It provides a steady stream of Business Pax due to the numerous international organisations over there.

Fact after Washington Brussels has the highest number of international lobbyist in the world! Does that tell you something? How many do you reckon come from the US? Many many many!!! Better send a 777 to BRU with more seats in business class than a half empty plane to China!

You obviously don't know Brussels very well!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7323 times:



Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 3):
BRU isn't Madrid, Copenhagen or Madrid. It provides a steady stream of Business Pax due to the numerous international organisations over there.

FYI: AA sends the 772 to Madrid year-round already.



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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7323 times:



Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 3):
You obviously don't know Brussels very well!

Thanks for the info on my question, good to know. Very kind.



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7294 times:



Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 3):
Star alliance and codesharing with SN maybe? Damn same debate as the Continental one! BRU isn't Madrid, Copenhagen or Madrid. It provides a steady stream of Business Pax due to the numerous international organisations over there.

Fact after Washington Brussels has the highest number of international lobbyist in the world! Does that tell you something? How many do you reckon come from the US? Many many many!!! Better send a 777 to BRU with more seats in business class than a half empty plane to China!

Well if that is true, why doesn't SN send any aircraft's to the US?



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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7261 times:

Any idea where these birds are coming from?


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User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7200 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
FYI: AA sends the 772 to Madrid year-round already.

my bad!

Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 5):
Thanks for the info on my question, good to know. Very kind.

You are more than welcome!

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
Well if that is true, why doesn't SN send any aircraft's to the US?

Cause 1) After Sabena demise, American carriers invaded (Delta, American Airlines, Continental and later on Us airways) 2) SN has never been a well financed airline and therefore has never been able to take the risk of competing with the very same airlines I am talking about!



Finally my bad talking out of my a*** here AA obviously will never be part of Star alliance! but all other reasons remain!

[Edited 2008-12-14 12:27:02]

User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2286 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7155 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2):
As an enthusiast, it's great to see more european routes seeing the 777 from AA. I believe LHR is the only city to see the 777 in europe from AA?

FRA also sees the 777 from DFW. From what I have heard that is a huge route.


User currently offlineCrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 785 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7157 times:
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Quoting FL787 (Reply 7):
Any idea where these birds are coming from?

I would imagine these are the two new 777s AA is getting this year that were intended to used for the ORD-PEK route.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7139 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2):
I believe LHR is the only city to see the 777 in europe from AA?

DFW-FRA

DFW-LHR
JFK-LHR
LAX-LHR
MIA-LHR
ORD-LHR

MIA-MAD



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7117 times:



Quoting CrAAzy (Reply 10):

Quoting FL787 (Reply 7):
Any idea where these birds are coming from?

I would imagine these are the two new 777s AA is getting this year that were intended to used for the ORD-PEK route.

ORD-DME, BOS-LHRx2, and RDU-LHR are not 772s this summer, that frees up four.

Though this summer MIA-GRU is 3x 772 (requiring four planes) and both DFW-GRU and DFW-EZE have 772s (two planes each), those are new.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7052 times:



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 9):

FRA also sees the 777 from DFW. From what I have heard that is a huge route.

I was missing FRA from DFW, Thanks for the correction!

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
DFW-FRA

DFW-LHR
JFK-LHR
LAX-LHR
MIA-LHR
ORD-LHR

MIA-MAD

Ah wow so only 3 european cities see the 777, FRA, LHR and MAD.

Thanks Mark

Alex



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

And Paris still doesn't get a 777??

The SN codeshare is going to end within the next year or two, so why are they upgrading it? This really should have been JFK-CDG AA40/41 and ORD-FRA.


User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

Surely with bmi dropping their Manchester-Chicago, ORD-MAN will have more call for T7 service than BRU?

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6866 times:



Quoting HUYfan (Reply 15):
Surely with bmi dropping their Manchester-Chicago, ORD-MAN will have more call for T7 service than BRU?

It's only an extra two dozen seats. AA sends allocates their 772s based on First Class demand, which Manchester likely doesn't have.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6763 times:



Quoting HUYfan (Reply 15):
Surely with bmi dropping their Manchester-Chicago, ORD-MAN will have more call for T7 service than BRU?

They were downgrading the route to a 757, bmi dropping Manchester-Chicago meant that they'll keep it a 767. Otherwise you'd see 2x 757s, I don't think Manchester will see 3-class transatlantic service from American - even British Airways couldn't justify it (by three class I mean F/J/Y).


User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

The fact that Brussels has not had a home-carrier that flew to the States since Sabena's demise means that there's always been enough space for US carriers to up their capacity.

BRU sits right in the middle of one of the most densely populated areas in Europe. It's catchment area consists of all of Belgium, with a population 10 million, as well as areas in the south of the Netherlands (places like Tilburg, Breda, Eindhoven), the west of Germany (Aachen) and the north of France (Lille, Calais) which all add at least a few million more.

If you look at AMS which has a massive home carrier presence i.e. KLM, AA doesn't even fly their, yet in BRU they're now upgrading to a 777.


User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6645 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
It's only an extra two dozen seats. AA sends allocates their 772s based on First Class demand, which Manchester likely doesn't have.

Didnt't know that AA 777's had first class! Whilst i'm confidence there is enough demand for both leisure and business traffic from BRU, I'm not too sure about first class!

Anyway who is the typical first class passenger? CEO's and executives from big companies, wealthy individuals or a mixture of both skewed towards one category? always wondered...


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6592 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 14):
And Paris still doesn't get a 777??

The SN codeshare is going to end within the next year or two, so why are they upgrading it? This really should have been JFK-CDG AA40/41 and ORD-FRA.

JFK-CDG has seen a DECREASE in business traffic of over 10% in the past year. Given this, AA thought it was a bad idea to replace the current plane on the route with one that has over 75% more premium seats. In terms of business travel, the JFK Atlantic routes have been hit hardest by the economic downturn. That's why the plans for more 757 TATL routes from JFK have been postponed.

ORD-BRU is one of the only transatlantic routes which is seeing an increase in the amount of premium traffic. I think it has little to do with the SN code-share and a lot more to do with the new code-share with Jet Airways on Brussels-India flights.

Chicago-India is a huge market, and AA is now offering excellently timed connections through Brussels to Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai and Bangalore. Jet is a top quality partner that attracts high-yielding traffic. AA is thinking their ORD-BRU route could really use the upgrade, especially for the First Class cabin.

Even before the code-share, ORD-BRU has traditionally been one of the top performing Atlantic routes from Chicago in recent times, partly due to the lack of any non-stop competition from UA or foreign flag carriers.

AA has flown the route continuously since 12th May 1989, so this upgrade will occur just as AA marks its 20th anniversary in the market.  champagne 



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6550 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 1):
SCL sounds great. But ORD-BRU, does that really call for a 777, or does AA have so many T7's that they just don't have another route to take advantage of it's capacity/range? Just curious as it seems BRU is more than well served from the US for what it is as a destination.



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 14):

The SN codeshare is going to end within the next year or two, so why are they upgrading it? This really should have been JFK-CDG AA40/41 and ORD-FRA.



Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 20):
Chicago-India is a huge market, and AA is now offering excellently timed connections through Brussels to Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai and Bangalore. Jet is a top quality partner that attracts high-yielding traffic. AA is thinking their ORD-BRU route could really use the upgrade, especially for the First Class cabin.

You pipped me to the post.. Wink

With 9W's hub @ BRU and the fact 9W is slowing their growth and leasing planes out, it makes sense to upgrade, especially if the route commands premium seating.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 9):

FRA also sees the 777 from DFW. From what I have heard that is a huge route.

Laxdude1023 has mentioned that its successful with a B777 due to the military connections.....



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

Well, the traffic that 9W was carrying from BRU that is decreasing with their pullback certainly leaves a bit of a void, however with AA's codeshare with SN ending - with the LH takeover and their entry into Star Alliance, I have to believe that much like the old DFW-ZRH after the Swiss codeshare ended, this route will have issues.

BRU has been a golden destination for both AA and CO, but I wonder now that they are becoming a Star hub how this will be impacted for AA.

Great for the time being, since AA offers a really pretty decent product in all classes on the 777 and it's a great aircraft.

As for SCL, great to see American really live up to their name as the airline of the Americas, increasing their service to another great South American city.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Excellent news!

ORD-BRU and MIA-SCL are both solid routes! Sounds like these are city pairs that need some F seats.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
Laxdude1023 has mentioned that its successful with a B777 due to the military connections.....

Yep! Thats not the only reason, but it is a big reason. DFW-FRA does very very well filling up the F seats even in the winter. Business and the military have no high or low seasons.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17447 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6036 times:



Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 20):
Jet is a top quality partner that attracts high-yielding traffic

It actually does not attract high yielding traffic--that's the problem. AI attracts more high yield traffic, as a percentage of total trafffic on comparable itineraries, and it's still rock bottom.



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25 Jacobin777 : That probably is very true, however, I do believe the "critical numbers" are still there...for now at least. That being said, this might be a bit pro
26 Post contains links DTW757 : Yes they all have Flagship Suites. http://www.theflagshipexperience.com/
27 SCL767 : Yes, MIA-SCL needs some F seats and more cargo capacity. Hopefully AA will keep the 772 permananetly on the MIA-SCL-MIA route.
28 Miaami : " target=_blank>http://www.theflagshipexperience.com/ This sites link is for the business class seat not the first class suites,
29 LAXdude1023 : Haha, although Im not the only person on here who knows that. One of the things that you and I have discussed is that AA doesnt take putting 777's on
30 MAH4546 : MIA-LHR will have 10w 772s starting 01FEB09, IIRC. Hopefully with ATI coming, AA will go 2x daily on that.
31 Jacobin777 : That's amazing....10 of 'em... ORD basically sees 8 during the summer.. 4x/LHR (down from 5x) 1x/DEL 1x/NRT 1x/PVG and now 1x/BRU.... of course, ther
32 MAH4546 : Which is why the Flagship Lounge is reopening. And all 10 772s services are year-round now. Too bad the 772s to South American - while certainly a gr
33 Jacobin777 : I think I read that on flyertalk.com. It's great to see that happening again! AA probably has one of the lowest (if not the lowest) utilisation rates
34 BrightCedars : It also seems that AA's JFK-BRU will switch to 752 from around mid-May '09. I believe this already has to do with SN being taken over by LH and access
35 Conti764 : Now that would be a dumb mistake, the same kind of mistake Sabena had made for years and which cost them bankruptcy. Why start your own route to a ma
36 BrightCedars : I think you're being a little aggressive here. It does make a lot of sense to offer flights to EWR, particularly when a (future) alliance partner has
37 Conti764 : Aggressive?? Only if there is enough traffic to do multiple flights (there will be) and CO can't or won't offer enough equipment to do so. As long as
38 BrightCedars : That's what I considered aggressive, but I tend to be a peaceful person so maybe I'm being pushy And if the pricing point is equivalent I would follo
39 Conti764 : What about a neat African network and a load of passengers on their flights between their home base and BRU? Let's not forget there will only be a sm
40 MIASkies : Very interesting points... how many daily 777 flights will MIA see from AA?
41 MAH4546 : Eleven on days that AA 113/182 (the 2nd LHR flight) operates.
42 LAXdude1023 : I think he means MIA-LHR will be at 10x weekly. The International 777 schedule will resemble something like this in the summer: ORD- 4x LHR PVG NRT D
43 DFWEagle : JFK-GRU-GIG will remain a 777 also for a total of 7 daily 777's at JFK. Also, not international, but a MIA-LAX-MIA rotation will be operated by 777
44 Bobnwa : Is AA concerned about resale value of the 777. How many have they sold since taking delivery ?
45 LAXdude1023 : My bad dude! I totally forgot about JFK-GRU.
46 DFWEagle : None, they still have all 47 Boeing 777's that they have taken delivery of.
47 Aarbee : Was just thinking about the 9W connection to this. But it is an interesting strategy by 9W to partner with AA and UA both. Agree.
48 Jacobin777 : Got it.. ..but that is still a 'ell of amount of B777's....its amazing to see how well MIA has done for AA..... That is certainly true, but those T7'
49 BrightCedars : I second that!
50 Felipemia89 : That's great for the spotters at SCL!
51 SCL767 : Yep, it certainly will be very nice to see AA's 772s at SCL after such a long absence. I believe that the B772 hasn't been on the route for over four
52 Felipemia89 : Yea, I remember when AA had the B772s flying to SCL in the summer months couple of years ago.
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