GoA340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (16 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1638 times:
The introduction of the proposed A330-100 (Shortened A330-200/300) will not only replace the ageing A300/A310s but will fill the requirement for a modern 200 pax aircraft. This will give an edge to Airbus over any aircraft manufacturer because of similar cockpits ranging from the 100-seat A318 to the 395-seat A340-600. The advantage of having an all-Airbus fleet will also help the airlines of receiving one-stop maintenance and after market service together with the flexibility to change aircraft types in already ordered planes (e.g. one airline can switch from the 295 seat A330-300 to the 200 seat A330-100 without having to make any additional investments for pilot training etc...)
I think communality will become an ever important issue in this competitive and price sensitive industry. Even tough Boeing offers an excellent line of aircraft with an even better selection of body types (737/767/777 and 747 have all different width ), every type requires a different pilot rating as if are almost manufactured by distinct companies....
Flying-tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4195 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (16 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1566 times:
I couldn´t have said it better. As I am an Airbus-fan I think you´re completly right. Especially the 320 family (A318/319/320/321) and the 330/340 provide the comonality. As you said the pilots can switch from one plane to another without much training. Other aspects are the same spare parts, containers,...
I think Airbus has proven often enough the family-concept with both the 32X and the 330/340. Many Airlines have decided in favour of the Busses (LH, AF, IB, BA, NW, UA, ...EK, CX, PAL) or will do so in the next time. I mean Airlines like China Airlines, KLM, SAS, SAA, EL AL or Indian Airlines for the Widebodies or Luxair, Aeropostal, AWA, NW, TWA or Ansett. I enjoy seeing them having so much sucess. Nobody thought that thirty years ago when MD was still a big player.
With the 330-100X I see a big possibility for Airbus. So many carriers need a replacement for ageing 300/310/767/DC-10/L-1011s amd sometimes don´t use the capacity of an 332/764. Let´s hope they launch this bird soon. My guess for a Launch customer: Lufthansa and Hapag-Lloyd (german carrier).
Boeing-fans: I think that the 757 and 777 are great planes, especially the 757-200. Don´t worry, Boeing will exist many more years but I think the market will be shared 50/50 in the future.
Boeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (16 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1554 times:
There is a concern that an A330-100 would be too heavy for the job, since shrinking planes leads to heavier -- more expensive -- models than stretches. This week's Flight International magazine says Hapag Lloyd is concerned about the costs of an A330-100 and is disappointed A310 upgrades won't be made. It does point out that the carrier is a potential launch customer.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 13170 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (16 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1544 times:
Yes, I certainly agree with the first two writers - and indeed to Boeing 757/767, although I'm not familiar with the Hapag Lloyd position. It is true, in some cases, that shorter aircraft tend to be more expensive, but this seems to be a shorter aircraft meant for, at best, medium haul flights. In any case case, the 332 has been extremely successful and one Airbus executive admitted they wished they'd built the -200 first.
One significant market I would see for the -100 is on routes where the largest narrowbodies are getting too small. Looking at London - Dublin, for example, the route has gone from a 732 in the mid eighties, through the 733, then the 734 and now the 321. Next stop up has to be a small widebody and I'm sure many other trunk routes will be the same. This looks very interesting . . .
TP343 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 312 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (16 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1523 times:
I believe that even if the A330-100 become too expensive in potential-over-costs relation compared to the -200/-300 series, anyway it'll be less expensive than buying one of its brothers!
I mean that orders could be expected mainly from "poor" airlines in Latin America and Africa and small European airlines.
I put a question: does anyone know what are Boeing plans for this market? Will the B767 be upgraded/replaced? I read Boeing is making a big investiment with the idea of the B757-200ER... does it mean that the B767s (especially the -200) will be put in a second plan and as a second opition by Seattle? Will Seattle, therefore, offer a narrowbody to compet against this new Airbus baby widebody?
TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.
p.s. more comments/info can be found in the topic "Baby A330 on the way", from very soon (last week, I think).