The Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1416 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 6 days ago) and read 2360 times:
I had a few questions re the SQ233/234 77W service.
1) How has it been performing?
2) Does it often SIN late in order to accommodate some very tight connections from (amongst other places CPH and AMS)?
Secondly, when the B747-400's get retired from SQ service, what do people think will be the breakdown of the flights to SYD? Will it be 2 x A380 and 2 x 77W or will it be 3 x A380 and 1 x 77W?
The reason I ask this, is that by looking at SQ's timetable, SQ 219 (SIN-SYD) departing at 0940 is often the "back-up" flight for people who might miss SQ 233 due to the very tight connections (50 or 55 mins) from some places like ATQ, CPH and AMS to name a few.
Obviously the 77W is a big capacity downgrade on the 744 if SQ 219 goes 77W, but will SQ want an A380 sitting on the ground in SYD overnight to service SQ 220?
So I guess my question is, what will SQ do with the following:
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5134 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2307 times:
I'm not sure whow SQ233/234 is performing but SYD in general seems to be a very good performer for SQ!
As for the breakdown of aircraft on each service I have been thinking about this myself.
My personal opinion is this
SQ233/234 remain 77W
SQ219/220 744 to 77W
SQ221/222 remain A380
SQ231/232 744 to A380
I think this will be the case atleast initially when the last 744s retire which could be from this route in 2010 sometime? I agree with you that SQ may not want to have an A380 overnight SYD though they have done it with the 744 for years and then it would be a 77W instead if not a 744 or A380. Unless SYD are allowed to start a limited number of flights after 2300 say until 0100 then an airline like SQ would be pushing for a 0015 departure ex SYD arriving SIN around 0500.
I also wonder the same thing for MEL aircraft changes aswell for SQ, MEL again seems to be a very good performing route for SQ with 3 daily year round flights currently plus an extra 3 weekly for December January.
I'm thinking they will look to go 4 daily ex MEL year round currently 2x 744s plus a 77W, the forth flight is a regional 3 class 772. MEL will likely get an A380 on SQ227/228 and a 77W on SQ237/238 imo but weather they can spare another 77W for the potential forth flight year round I don't no. It would be good if they can get rid of the regional product for good ex MEL, as from Jan 1st 09 237/238 goes back to a regional 773.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5134 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1953 times:
Quoting KFly (Reply 2): It has been mentioned in another forum that SQ's 773 will be fitted with the new First Class (ala 77W) seats and a new generation "regional" Business Class seats (ala 333) sometime next year.
Yes it has but SQ have never said that themselves and currently I wonder if there is a need to refit some 773s anyway, they can free up a few 77Ws from CDG and ZRH and replace them with A380s moving the 77Ws to SYD, MEL and probably NRT-LAX which hasn't been announced yet by SQ either.
I've heard the A333s will go to BNE and PER. I'd imagine like the current 772s on those flights that the A333s will be 2 class.
The Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1416 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1608 times:
One of the problems SQ faces on the SYD route is that for a long time it's had the premium product and was often one of the first places to get it. SQ 744's came to SYD early comparatively to other destinations and the same with the A380.
If they re-fit some of those 773's to 77W product standard, it still reduces the seating capacity as currently they are in 18F/49J/265Y - with a regional type business class and a non-flat seat first class. I suppose they could go to a similar configuration to the 77W but then it would only seat 278, a 97 seat reduction on the 744 capacity.
If they keep J class as a regional type but extend it slightly, then J pax will naturally flock to the 380 and 77W flights, the 744 J class is better than the current 773 J class.
The other problem SQ has is that it doesn't have many 77W's left on order. The problem this leaves SQ is that it reduces the capability of their 773's to fly regional routes - it will basically have an inter-continental product and have a sub-fleet configuration (they only have 12 x 773's).
Capacity 2 x 77W + 2 x A380's makes sense but the spread isn't quite right, hence my question re the performance of certain SQ SYD routes.