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Will We See More UA Flights Out Of JFK?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9115 posts, RR: 15
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7456 times:

Will we see more UA flights out of JFK? Seems that UA downsized quite a bit at JFK.

Any chance of seeing UA restarting HKG-JFK, NRT-JFK, LHR-JFK? Maybe after the merger with CO?

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User currently offlineUA777lover From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7337 times:
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I was wondering the same thing after seeing a Nat Geo story about the building of Jet Blue's T5. Saw lots of UA T7s in the piece. Sure miss seeing those beautiful UA planes (or any wide body from UA) at JFK!

User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

If anything, merging with CO would make it even less likely to expand to JFK..AA, and DL and B^ got it pretty well locked up! EWR is your future , remotely som expansion at LGA depending on slot sitatuation.
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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

I don't think so. They have built up a considerable international presence from IAD, and probably would be better off not trying to get out of the congestion that plagues JFK on a routine basis.


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8094 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7257 times:
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Unkited sold the London rights to Delta so JFK to LHR will not happen soon. Highly doubt NRT or HKG from JFK, NRT was moved to IAD. HKG is well served from ORD by United and Cathay owns LAX & JFK nonstops to Hong Kong.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7256 times:



Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Will we see more UA flights out of JFK? Seems that UA downsized quite a bit at JFK.

Any chance of seeing UA restarting HKG-JFK, NRT-JFK, LHR-JFK? Maybe after the merger with CO?

There was a time when UAL flew to LHR and NRT from both EWR and JFK, they consolidated at JFK and then just relocated the international routes to IAD. UAL has never been a big player in the NY market outside of the Trans-Cons and the NY-Chicago business route, CO is the biggest airline in the NYC market handling more than twice as many travelers through EWR than DL does through EWR, JFK and LGA combined. I would not look for any new International flying from NY by UAL, they are going to feed their passengers to CO's vast network at EWR or through their own hub at IAD.



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User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7223 times:

I like to see JFK-FRA. Onward connections are great. Question is with the 2 LH and 1 SQ flights daily, is there demand for a fourth?


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User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1336 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6999 times:

Never would be my guess.

When was the last time United significantly expanded?

When did PanAm or TWA start restoring old routes after their initial bankruptcies/financial troubles?


User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6966 times:



Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Maybe after the merger with CO?

Am I missing something? UA and CO are merging?


User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

I'd lean towards never. UA cut JFK for a reason, and now they have fewer reasons to serve the market with their own metal. As most of us know, CO is joining *A, effectively sewing up EWR, and US is pretty big at LGA. IMO, it would be redundant for UA to add any new service to JFK, except possibly a few E170s or CR7s to ORD.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6813 times:

UA's base of operations is at IAD, and it has very little reason to expand at JFK, especially if JetBlue continues to lean towards Star Alliance carriers. For CO loyalist flyers and those in the NYC metro area that have Star Alliance memberships, EWR will be the airport of choice, whereas SkyTeam flyers will use Delta out of JFK.


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6754 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
CO is the biggest airline in the NYC market handling more than twice as many travelers through EWR than DL does through EWR, JFK and LGA combined.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand?



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User currently offlineDC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Never is probably the correct answer.

The CO/UA codeshare will route traffic thru Continental's EWR hub, which covers about
everywhere, and the IAD hub for United is continuing to grow.

LH & UA already do a joint venture, so there isn't any reason for JFK/FRA with UA metal,
and as soon as CO joins the joint venture, there will no reason to expand JFK at all.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6626 times:

I wouldn't expect it at all. UA was pretty firm back in 2006 when they cancelled the JFK-LHR T7 flights and closed the EWR crew base. Thus meaning that at least back 2 years ago, they had little interest in maintaining any kind of loyality in the NYC area, excluding PS, and the ORD and DEN flights.

The future extensive codeshare with CO will mean that EWR will be the big cheese for the star alliance as well as any sort of minor UA expansion in the New York Area. When I say minor, for UA that probably means hardly anything at all. Hopefully more 757 service.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6600 times:



Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 15):
Never is probably the correct answer.

I agree, outside of adding a few additional PS flights to SFO/LAX and MAYBE mainline to ORD I don't see UA adding much into NY anytime soon. IAD is where any of UAs East Coast expansion is going to occur, UA is going to leave NY to CO.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6553 times:



Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Will we see more UA flights out of JFK? Seems that UA downsized quite a bit at JFK.

Any chance of seeing UA restarting HKG-JFK, NRT-JFK, LHR-JFK? Maybe after the merger with CO?

No......A merger with CO (hopefully that never happens) will mean less likely youll see flights at JFK


User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 17):
I agree, outside of adding a few additional PS flights to SFO/LAX and MAYBE mainline to ORD I don't see UA adding much into NY anytime soon. IAD is where any of UAs East Coast expansion is going to occur, UA is going to leave NY to CO.

UA has JFK-ORD service? I thought it was only LAX/SFO/IAD. No DEN. No ORD. My question is do you think that they'll try and make T7 a Star Alliance terminal and get BA and CX to move
over with AA? T7 already has AC,US,ANA and SQ(?), they just need LH and LX for a more happy union. I was there last week and I was surprised that US had a mainline flight to/from
CLT. I thought it was still all USx. Nice change.

[Edited 2008-12-16 13:58:18]


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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6518 times:



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 19):
UA has JFK-ORD service? I thought it was only LAX/SFO/IAD. No DEN. No ORD.

UA does not operate ORD at this point, that is about the only route besides DEN that I could ever see them starting from JFK. Sorry if I wasn't clear in my earlier post.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8094 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6349 times:
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When United went to Chapter 11 they decided to have all their planes fly from their five hubs, LAX, SFO, ORD, DEN and IAD. IAD has been very good to UA, it flies to NRT, EZE, GRU and most of Europe as well as Dubai nonstop.

User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6326 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 22):
When United went to Chapter 11 they decided to have all their planes fly from their five hubs, LAX, SFO, ORD, DEN and IAD. IAD has been very good to UA, it flies to NRT, EZE, GRU and most of Europe as well as Dubai nonstop.

Which is what their future *Alliance Member and revenue sharing partner CO has been doing for years. Very few, if any routes that do not start/end at a hub.



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User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6277 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
Unkited sold the London rights to Delta so JFK to LHR will not happen soon.

Doesn't the recent open skies agreement with the EU make that a moot point?



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6231 times:



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 24):
Doesn't the recent open skies agreement with the EU make that a moot point?

Not really, because you still need LHR slots.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6266 times:



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 24):
Doesn't the recent open skies agreement with the EU make that a moot point?

Yes, UAL could relaunch JFK/EWR-London.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6158 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 25):
Quoting Cws818 (Reply 24):
Doesn't the recent open skies agreement with the EU make that a moot point?

Not really, because you still need LHR slots.

Of which UA has quite a few leased out to other airlines...18 slot pairs in total IIRC UA only uses 10 or 11 of them. If UA wanted to start JFK-LHR back up again they could, actually it would probably be harder to get the slot at JFK then LHR at this point.



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User currently offlineSFOJFK From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6115 times:



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 19):
My question is do you think that they'll try and make T7 a Star Alliance terminal and get BA and CX to move
over with AA? T7 already has AC,US,ANA and SQ(?), they just need LH and LX for a more happy union. I was there last week and I was surprised that US had a mainline flight to/from
CLT. I thought it was still all USx. Nice change.

Don't think that would happen since BA owns T7.


25 ContinentalEWR : CO and UA aren't merging. CO is joining Star Alliance and that's about it. With CO's huge hub at EWR, no need for UA to add a ton of flights out of NY
26 STT757 : It's a little more than that, they are forming a Joint Venture, Code Sharing, integrating check in, catering etc..
27 STT757 : CO and UA are aligning their operations as close as possible without actually merging, CO has a huge hub at EWR. Why is that not prevalent to the dis
28 United Airline : Where does UA fly to JFK from? Any long haul flights?
29 Tommy767 : Only the multiple flights to SFO/LAX on Premium Service 757s, IAD on regionals including some 'e-jets. Gone are the days of long haul UA services fro
30 STT757 : UA used to fly from JFK: Buenos Aires-Montevideo (767-300) Sao Paulo-Rio De Janeiro (767-300) Caracas-Port Of Spain (757) London Heathrow (2xs daily e
31 United1 : There was also ORD, SEA, MIA & SJU at one point and LHR was 3 daily in the begining (along with the flight from EWR) before most of that capacity was
32 STT757 : Yeah I was only including International, if you include domestic: JFK: LAX, SAN, SEA, MIA, SFO, IAD, ORD (SA), EWR: BOS, SFO, SEA, SAN, LAX, MIA, MCO
33 United Airline : What South American destinations does UA serve now? For Central America they still fly to Mexico City right? Will we see those UA JFK flights back?
34 STT757 : UA still serves: Sao Paulo, Rio De Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Mexico City, Cancun. UA had purchased Pan Am's Latin American operations which included the
35 Post contains links United1 : and Cozumel, Ixtapa, Puerto VaIlatra, Los Cabos, Liberia in Central/South America. In the Caribbean UA flies to Aruba, Montego Bay, Punta Cana, St. M
36 Atlanta : No, but soon enough they'll have a hub down the road at EWR.
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