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JetBlue Bolsters Its Boston Schedule  
User currently offlineB6MoneyGuyJFK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...160800PR_NEWS_USPR_____NY52543.htm


More flights across the United States

Beginning May 1, JetBlue will resume flights between Boston and San Francisco International Airport with a seasonal nonstop service. JetBlue will also add a second daily flight on routes to Charlotte, N.C.; Chicago (O’Hare); Pittsburgh; and Raleigh/Durham, N.C.; a third daily flight to Buffalo, N.Y. and L.A./Long Beach, Calif.; a sixth and seventh daily flight to Washington (Dulles); and a ninth and tenth daily flight to New York (JFK).


Destination Added flights Total daily departures
Buffalo, N.Y. 1 3
Charlotte, N.C. 1 2
Chicago (O’Hare) 1 2
L.A./Long Beach, Calif. 1 3
New York (JFK) 2 10
Pittsburgh 1 2
Raleigh/Durham, N.C. 1 2
San Francisco 1 1
Washington (Dulles) 2 7



Expanded Caribbean service

In May, JetBlue will resume seasonal nonstop service to Bermuda and also add daily nonstop service to San Juan, Puerto Rico, a previously winter-only route. New nonstop service to St. Maarten, a new route beginning February 14, 2009, will operate year-round on Saturdays. JetBlue also offers nonstop service to Aruba and Cancun, Mexico, year-round; to Nassau, Bahamas throughout the winter season; and to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic this holiday season (December 18, 2009 - January 5, 2009).


Destination Added flights Total daily departures
Bermuda 1 1
San Juan, Puerto Rico 1 1
St. Maarten 1 weekly 1 weekly


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4817 times:

In related news, I see on the B6 website's schedules that the following JFK--trans-cons are now showing seasonal additions:

Effective May 1, 2009:
SFO +1 : TL 2x Dly
SEA +1 : TL 2x Dly
SAN +1 : TL 3x Dly

Effective May 21, 2009:
PDX +1 : TL 1x Dly
SMF +1 : TL 1x Dly

(These are the routes I checked -- along with SJC which appears to remain at 1 dly n/s -- and may not be a complete list. And, of course, there could be more adjustments to these routes.)

Hopefully there will be more trans-cons added for the summer but we'll have to wait and see what happens...

bb


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4796 times:



Quoting B6MoneyGuyJFK (Thread starter):

Destination Added flights Total daily departures
Buffalo, N.Y. 1 3

I'm surprised ROC doesn't get a B6 flight to BOS. We only get AirWis CR2 to BOS. FL tried it , but it didn't work out. I bet B6 could do it 1x a day w/a 190.



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2937 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

This is very good news. I have long thought that having just one frequency in important business markets such as BOS-CLT/RDU/ORD kept JetBlue at a disadvantage. Hopefully these new flights will be successful and last through the summer into the fall and winter.

The additional frequencies to JFK and IAD are unsurprising; those flights have always done very well, and it is good for JetBlue to capitalize on them.

BOS-SJU has always been a strong performer and I'm glad to see it stay for the summer. It seems that JetBlue has been very happy with SJU's performance, hence the gain in frequencies to on SJU-MCO (5x this summer) and SJU-SDQ (2x for some days in December, then is permanent starting in Feb).

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
Effective May 1, 2009:
SFO +1 : TL 2x Dly
SEA +1 : TL 2x Dly
SAN +1 : TL 3x Dly

SEA and SAN are natural summer/fall-only additions. SFO was at 3x last summer, then fell to 1x for the fall/winter. I'm happy that it is at least going up to 2x.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

I am a pretty loyal jet blue guy. I go between NW/Delta and them. I know fuel is still pretty high but B6 realy needs to have a morning nonstop to the bay area and a morning flight from the bay area back. They used to do OAK yearound like that. Now just MAY-OCT

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4604 times:



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 3):
SEA and SAN are natural summer/fall-only additions. SFO was at 3x last summer, then fell to 1x for the fall/winter. I'm happy that it is at least going up to 2x.

But please notice that SAN-JFK has always remained at 2x dly flights during the winter, while most of the other w/c stations dropped to 1 (or even "0") flights for this winter anyway. I will never agree that SAN and SEA can be lumped together as "seasonal" markets for any carrier! (In fact I'm spending yet another winter here in the Puget Sound and I would give almost anything to be in San Diego right now.) Sorry to jump on you there, 'Bluefan, but it's !#@)(*! 19 degrees here right now!...  cold 

It is quite possible that SFO could see another JFK flight added. It appears that Blue is finalizing and releasing their summer 2009 schedules now and they seem to be fairly similar to this past summer's; and I take that as a positive sign.

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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

I am a pretty loyal jet blue guy. I go between NW/Delta and them. I know fuel is still pretty high but B6 realy needs to have a morning nonstop to the bay area and a morning flight from the bay area back. They used to do OAK yearound like that. Now just MAY-OCT


I forgot to mention from where!! BOS


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Good to see B6 committed to BOS.

User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1082 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

How many dailies will this give BOS?

User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4230 times:



Quoting Sectflyer (Reply 4):
fuel is still pretty high

Um, what? Fuel is at its lowest levels in nearly 3 years. Fuel's pretty d*mn cheap right now - so it's not to blame for nearly any service cuts. The economy being in the toilet, however, is a legitimate scapegoat.


User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

I had a feeling they were going to add flights but wow, wasn't expecting that many. Very good to see. I know they need people ramp and customer service side in BOS. Just thought I'd throw that out there.


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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1082 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

And now AA jumps in with this....

http://ruffkin8.socialgo.com/my_profile.html

"Initiating Service to San Diego, Seasonal Service to Paris, Additional Flights to London, Los Angeles, Dallas-Fort Worth, St. Louis


BOSTON, Dec. 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- American Airlines announced today it is strengthening its leadership position at Logan Airport with the addition of six new daily flights this Spring, including the return of service to San Diego, additional flights to London, Los Angeles, Dallas-Fort Worth, and St. Louis, plus the resumption of seasonal service to Paris.
The new, daily flight to San Diego will begin on April 7, together with a fourth daily flight to Los Angeles, a ninth daily flight to Dallas-Fort Worth, and a third daily flight to St. Louis. On May 1, American will begin a third daily flight to London from Boston and will resume its daily, seasonal flight to Paris."

Begs the question....is the BOS area economy that strong or is this just a tit for tat competitive response? Are the capacity cuts of Q4 '08 and Q1 09 being rolled back already in advance of an expected uptick...or have they decided to do the lemming thing again ?


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1973 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

We're coming up to the 5th anniversary of them arriving here in BOS on 1/7 and it's amazing how much they have grown here. Even though they are the largest carrier in terms of destinations served, they have only one flight to many cities where I'm sure they can fill another plane, such as to DEN, AUS, MSY, and JAX. But adding new flights is going to help them a lot.

Anyone know the times of the flights? They don't say when they are on any timetable. This will give 75-80 flights at BOS per day.



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11):
And now AA jumps in with this....

http://ruffkin8.socialgo.com/my_profile.html

"Initiating Service to San Diego, Seasonal Service to Paris, Additional Flights to London, Los Angeles, Dallas-Fort Worth, St. Louis


BOSTON, Dec. 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- American Airlines announced today it is strengthening its leadership position at Logan Airport with the addition of six new daily flights this Spring, including the return of service to San Diego, additional flights to London, Los Angeles, Dallas-Fort Worth, and St. Louis, plus the resumption of seasonal service to Paris.
The new, daily flight to San Diego will begin on April 7, together with a fourth daily flight to Los Angeles, a ninth daily flight to Dallas-Fort Worth, and a third daily flight to St. Louis. On May 1, American will begin a third daily flight to London from Boston and will resume its daily, seasonal flight to Paris."

Begs the question....is the BOS area economy that strong or is this just a tit for tat competitive response? Are the capacity cuts of Q4 '08 and Q1 09 being rolled back already in advance of an expected uptick...or have they decided to do the lemming thing again ?

The CDG and 4th daily LAX flight really is not an expansion. They have run the CDG flight for the last few years and LAX has been 4 daily for quite a while. BOS-LAX suffered a big loss in capacity with DL cutting their 2 daily flights, UA cutting 1 of their daily flights and AA also cut 1 daily flight. If they were to bring back or add service to places that are not hubs, such as MSY, AUS, SJC, SEA, etc. then I would call in to question to strength of the Boston air market and the economy of Boston, which has cone somewhat well compared to other areas.

[Edited 2008-12-16 12:55:17]

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1973 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

The best part is this has been described as "the first step". I can't wait to see what the rest will look like. I'd like to see BOS-MSP service some day since I believe that is the largest market without a 2nd carrier on the route from BOS. Are there any other cities we may see expansion too?


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3844 times:



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11):
"Initiating Service to San Diego, Seasonal Service to Paris, Additional Flights to London, Los Angeles, Dallas-Fort Worth, St. Louis

Ummm, let's not forget about Virgin showing up on Logan's doorstep in February.... Could be part of the reason for the flurry of activity at BOS?

bb


User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3840 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 14):
The best part is this has been described as "the first step". I can't wait to see what the rest will look like. I'd like to see BOS-MSP service some day since I believe that is the largest market without a 2nd carrier on the route from BOS. Are there any other cities we may see expansion too?

How about service to Canada, non-charter service that is from BOS. Maybe they'll throw a curve ball and have it from BOS instead of JFK at first. Of course, I'm not sure how customs would work in either BOS or JFK but I'm going go out there and say maybe Canadian service is in the future.



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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

It looks like PHX-JFK goes down to 1 daily from May 1st to July 14th after that second daily flight returns

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

I find it quite dissapointing that DL could never seem to really take a stronghold of Boston like this. All that money for a brand new terminal and inferior service compared to AA and B6. B6 took JFK from them and it seems they have done the same thing in BOS.


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1973 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 16):
Of course, I'm not sure how customs would work in either BOS or JFK but I'm going go out there and say maybe Canadian service is in the future.

It would make sense, but Canadian landing fees are expensive, which is a big reason why B6 isn't there already. YUL, YOW, YYZ, and YHZ are the only airports in Canada with preclearance facilities that would make sense from BOS and JFK. AC used to fly BOS-YVR and I heard that route did pretty well, so maybe B6 could one day jump on that. YYC, YEG, and YWG are the other three. DL had some flights go into YQB but that didn't work, and it sounds like flights into YFC, YQM, YSJ didn't do any much better. Canada-wise, the four above are the best bets.

[Edited 2008-12-16 15:32:42]


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6579 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3228 times:



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 8):
How many dailies will this give BOS?

Actually, not many (if any) more compared to the current (i.e. December) schedule.

Some markets that will see dramatic (though unsurprising, given seasonal traffic flows) cuts (comparing 12/22 to 05/11):

BOS-FLL: 6x daily to 3x daily
BOS-PBI: 5x daily to 2x daily
BOS-RSW: 5x daily to 2x daily
BOS-TPA: 4x daily to 2x daily
BOS-MCO: 6x daily to 5x daily

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 3):
The additional frequencies to JFK and IAD are unsurprising; those flights have always done very well, and it is good for JetBlue to capitalize on them.

Um, not so much. BOS-JFK debuted in 2005 with ten daily round-trips; this is merely restoring service to that level. And the current five daily BOS-IAD round-trips are one fewer than when that route was started in early 2006. The third daily BOS-BUF round-trip is also a return to the original frequency when the route was launched in 2006.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 12):
Anyone know the times of the flights? They don't say when they are on any timetable. This will give 75-80 flights at BOS per day.

You can look at the schedules by trying to book flights. But I think the total number of BOS flights stays relatively constant with the seasonal pulldown in Florida flying. I'd estimate that ASMs actually drop a bit given the shorter stage lengths of most of the new flights.


User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3170 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19):
It would make sense, but Canadian landing fees are expensive, which is a big reason why B6 isn't there already. YUL, YOW, YYZ, and YHZ are the only airports in Canada with preclearance facilities that would make sense from BOS and JFK. AC used to fly BOS-YVR and I heard that route did pretty well, so maybe B6 could one day jump on that. YYC, YEG, and YWG are the other three. DL had some flights go into YQB but that didn't work, and it sounds like flights into YFC, YQM, YSJ didn't do any much better. Canada-wise, the four above are the best bets.

[Edited 2008-12-16 15:32:42]

Yeah I know that its so expensive with all the fees and taxes. Its a real shame that its like that. We do charter service to Canada which is different from rev service but I just have a feeling Canada will be up on that route map sometime next year although it looks like C.A and S.A are were we're heading internationally right now.



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3153 times:



Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 16):
Of course, I'm not sure how customs would work in either BOS or JFK

Halifax, Montréal, Ottawa, Toronto (YYZ), Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver all have preclearance facilities so flights into the US arrive as if they were domestic flights. No special formalities are required.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19):
DL had some flights go into YQB but that didn't work, and it sounds like flights into YFC, YQM, YSJ didn't do any much better.

YFC was a subsidized route paid for in part by the city of Fredericton and a consortium of Fredericton businesses in order to have a link to the US. I'm surprised it wasn't dropped when DL and Atlantic Coast split ways and DL lost the FRJs which were a good size. The double-daily CRJ service was a bit much.

YQB could work but not at unsustainable gas prices. Even with connections to Florida it's just not a strong enough market unless fares are cheap.

Moncton and St. John haven't been served, to my recollection, since the days of BizEx or Inter-Canadien (mid-90s at the latest).

I just don't know if B6 could find a market. Toronto or Montréal make the most sense since they're the biggest. AC currently has a monopoly on YUL. On the YYZ route, AA and AC compete though hopefully some competition in the form of Porter should arrive. YVR is a possibility as it was long served by CP and then for a few years by AC, though after the takeover it went from being year-round to seasonal so eventually being whittled down to a couple of months to connect with the Alaska cruise season. So, it'd be interesting to see if they would find the Canadian market from BOS attractive, but I doubt it.

LH423



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2937 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3101 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 20):
Um, not so much. BOS-JFK debuted in 2005 with ten daily round-trips; this is merely restoring service to that level.

I'm well aware. However:

When the service debuted in Nov 2005, it has 10x E190 service. However, with all the teething problems with the E190s, it turned into 8x A320 and 2x E190 per day while the E190s were upgraded and "fixed". By Summer 2006 - when most of the problems were fixed - it operated with 8x E190 and 2x A320. That's 1100 seats. This summer, however, there will be 4x E190 and 6x A320. That's a net gain of 200 seats over Summer 2006.

Spring 2006: 1400 seats (due only to E190 problems - not intentional)
Summer 2006: 1100 seats
Summer 2009: 1300 seats

Quoting ScottB (Reply 20):
And the current five daily BOS-IAD round-trips are one fewer than when that route was started in early 2006.

BOS-IAD almost constantly operated at 6x E190. This past summer it went down to 5x E190, but it currently operates 3x E190 and 2x A320 - 600 seats. This summer, however, there will be 2x E190 and 5x A320 - 950 seats. That's a net gain of 450 seats over Summer 2008, and a gain of 350 seats over anything that B6 has ever offered on the route.

Winter 2006-Spring 2008: 600 seats
Summer 2008: 500 seats
Winter 2008/2009: 600 seats
Summer 2009: 950 seats

Clearly, both routes are gaining capacity.

As far as BOS-BUF goes, the route intially started very slow, hence the reduction from 3x to 2x. I'm not sure if the route will be able to support the third frequency past the summer, but I hope it can. JFK-BUF has seen phenomenal growth (11x this summer), as has BUF in general (FLL, MCO, RSW non-stops), so maybe BUF has gained strength and can support the third flight year-round. Let's wait and see.

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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6579 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2820 times:



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 23):
When the service debuted in Nov 2005, it has 10x E190 service. However, with all the teething problems with the E190s, it turned into 8x A320 and 2x E190 per day while the E190s were upgraded and "fixed". By Summer 2006 - when most of the problems were fixed - it operated with 8x E190 and 2x A320. That's 1100 seats. This summer, however, there will be 4x E190 and 6x A320. That's a net gain of 200 seats over Summer 2006.

The original BOS-JFK service was intended to be 8 E190's and 2 A320's daily, not 10 E190's. The BOS-JFK flights see relatively little O&D traffic, and B6's O&D numbers stayed flat at about 325 passengers per day each way between Q2 of 2007 and Q2 of 2008. Interestingly, B6 actually gets better O&D traffic between BOS and IAD than between BOS and JFK. Yields did improve in line with the other market participants. IMO the additional BOS-JFK capacity may be there to help fill seats that won't be taken by NYC passengers, given that 2009 is looking very poor for the NYC-area economy.


25 Atlanta : B6 I'll give you, but AA I don't think has better service than DL. B6 didn't take JFK from DL where are you getting these "facts" from? B6, last time
26 Cws818 : DL no longer flies JFK-LGW or JFK-CDG, and they don't fly JFK-NRT yet, either.
27 Atlanta : Correct, DL doesn't fly JFK-CDG, but AF does. And JFK-NRT is coming. I did forget about JFK-LGW though.
28 TinPusher007 : I don't mean onbaord...Im talking about destinations served. Sure they did. They are the largest airline at JFK. DL could have totally dominated befo
29 BOStonsox : I thought Big Sky was flying that route, or even Comair. I am pretty sure those were served relatively recently. B6 seems content with BTV and BUF, a
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