Bochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 485 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9287 times:
Over on google groups, GLA airport, there is talk that EK is unbookable on the GLA-DXB route next year: closing GLA?
However, there is also talk that they are changing their schedule to double daily as the flight is changing from EK25/26 to EK27/28.
IMO they are preparing to go double daily.
FlyEmirates From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8859 times:
Very interesting, according to EK internal schedule/load display which is updated every 24 hours after 28th March no flight exists. There have been no rumours, the flight could well be cancelled.
Where did you get the information regarding number change from 025/026 to 027/028?
FlyEmirates From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8838 times:
Having checked GLA/DXB it would appear that its going double daily as the EK028 is showing, load information is showing the same as EK025 each day, also departure time the same, they are obviously deciding on dep/arr time and awaiting correct data for loads.
EKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 193 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8323 times:
yields on EK 25/26 are very good every time i fly the route. most of our senior management in Dubai are from Scotland and there is also a large scottish community in Dubai. Not to mention the Indian/Pakistan expats living in Scotland that use the route. GLA DXB i believe has been a profitable addition to the EK network since its inception and could only conclude that it is an extra service being implemented.
Bochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 485 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8281 times:
Quoting FlyEmirates (Reply 1): Where did you get the information regarding number change from 025/026 to 027/028?
On google groups.
Quoting FlyEmirates (Reply 2): aving checked GLA/DXB it would appear that its going double daily as the EK028 is showing, load information is showing the same as EK025 each day, also departure time the same, they are obviously deciding on dep/arr time and awaiting correct data for loads.
Bochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 485 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8027 times:
Big expansions for GLA in the next year with GSM launching a host of new flights, the option of PIA daily and now another EK: great time ahead for a local Scots airport.
ScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2379 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7975 times:
Shows info on new flight. It says by an A330 in the evening.
Starting in April!
You're going to have to help me out here, there's been no posts in that thread for more than a week, and judging by previous posts I'd take anything said in there with a MAJOR pinch of salt.
You're saying 2x daily has been confirmed but there's been nothing said by EK and nothing to confirm this at all in the schedules.
Infact just now I'd be more worried about the fact GLA has been removed from sale and from the timetables for S09.
I can't believe EK would drop it, and if it magically reappears as 2 daily then all will be well and good, but it's a strange one just now.
LH121GLA From UK - Scotland, joined May 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7504 times:
Quoting Cyba (Reply 10): Guys, Amadeus is showing cancelled for the EK 25 on a few days I checked in June (e.g. 18, 19 June)
'Guys',
As I sit here at my PC, in my chair, this is what Amadeus shows for the first day of the summer timetable:
1EKAD29MARDXBGLA
** EK - EMIRATES ** 101 SU 29MAR
SEE FLIFO FOR SHARED FLIGHTS
FREE CHAUFFEUR DRIVE FOR EK F/J PAX-SEE EK PAGES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN YR GDS
21 EK 027 J7 C7 Y9 E9 W9 DXB GLA 0750 1225 0 77W
M9 B9 U9 K9 H9 Q9 L9 T9 V9 G0
1EKAD29MARGLADXB
** EK - EMIRATES ** 101 SU 29MAR
SEE FLIFO FOR SHARED FLIGHTS
FREE CHAUFFEUR DRIVE FOR EK F/J PAX-SEE EK PAGES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN YR GDS
21 EK 028 J7 C7 Y9 E9 W9 GLA DXB 1405 0030+1 0 77W
M9 B9 U9 K9 H9 Q9 L9 TC VC G0
and here's what it shows for 18/19 June 'Cyba':
1EKAD18JUNDXBGLA
** EK - EMIRATES ** 182 TH 18JUN
SEE FLIFO FOR SHARED FLIGHTS
FREE CHAUFFEUR DRIVE FOR EK F/J PAX-SEE EK PAGES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN YR GDS
21 EK 027 J7 C7 Y9 E9 W9 DXB GLA 0750 1225 0 77W
M9 B9 U9 K9 H9 Q9 L9 T9 V9 G0
1EKAD19JUNDXBGLA
** EK - EMIRATES ** 183 FR 19JUN
SEE FLIFO FOR SHARED FLIGHTS
FREE CHAUFFEUR DRIVE FOR EK F/J PAX-SEE EK PAGES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN YR GDS
21 EK 027 J7 C7 Y9 E9 W9 DXB GLA 0750 1225 0 77W
M9 B9 U9 K9 H9 Q9 L9 T9 V9 G0
1EKAD18JUNGLADXB
** EK - EMIRATES ** 182 TH 18JUN
SEE FLIFO FOR SHARED FLIGHTS
FREE CHAUFFEUR DRIVE FOR EK F/J PAX-SEE EK PAGES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN YR GDS
21 EK 028 J7 C7 Y9 E9 W9 GLA DXB 1405 0030+1 0 77W
M9 B9 U9 K9 H9 Q9 L9 T9 V9 G0
1EKAD19JUNGLADXB
** EK - EMIRATES ** 183 FR 19JUN
SEE FLIFO FOR SHARED FLIGHTS
FREE CHAUFFEUR DRIVE FOR EK F/J PAX-SEE EK PAGES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN YR GDS
21 EK 028 J7 C7 Y9 E9 W9 GLA DXB 1405 0030+1 0 77W
M9 B9 U9 K9 H9 Q9 L9 T9 V9 G0
Did you check DIRECT ACCESS??!! You've probably checked NEUTRAL ACCESS ... which returns no availability:
AN18JUNGLADXB/AEK
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** DXB DUBAI.AE 182 TH 18JUN 0000
** YR RAFFLES DUBAI *RELAX & INDULGE AT AMRITA SPA*PALATIAL
** ROOMS WITH KING BEDS AND PRIVATE BALCONIES >HAYRDXBRAF
NO FLIGHT FOR THIS CITY PAIR - ENTER A CONNECT POINT /X...
however - as you should know NEUTRAL ACCESS is not as accurate as DIRECT ACCESS!
Please don't pamic and let the airline update its flight numbers.
Also - if I recall correctly - EK applied for slots for an evening flight from GLA a few years back ... with flight numbers EK27/EK28 ... could it be that EK27/EK28 is going to be the afternoon service and the EK25/26 will become the evening service?
In my opinion, following MAN & BHX, GLA has had one EK flight to/from DXB a day for almost 5 years now - is it possibly time for a second?
Emirates001 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6522 times:
I can confirm from Emirates themselves that the EK26/25 will continue for the rest of 2009 and that they have no plans whatsoever to introduce a double daily to GLA. Here is a copy of the email :
We will be operating the Glasgow to Dubai route for all 2009.
We currently have no plans to operate a double daily service to/from Glasgow any new flights will be published on our website www.emirates.com/uk
Bochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 485 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6508 times:
Quoting Emirates001 (Reply 14): We currently have no plans to operate a double daily service to/from Glasgow any new flights will be published on our website
Understood, however Servisair staff at Glasgow seem to think differently.
Emirates001 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6450 times:
Yeah I hope at least for the status quo to exist with EK's Glasgow relationship. I use them 4 times a year to Asia and quite frankly would not want to go back to the days of BA and LHR. Friend of mine checked Galileo and it is saying for GLA/DXB over the summer period that the real route is GLA/MAN/DXB presumably with a BMI connection to MAN. Looking a bit suss?
Emirates001 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6362 times:
Do you really think there is a market for a second flight out of GLA in this economic downturn? Isnt the word on the street that Emirates needs money right now from its neighbours? I wouldnt be surprised if they scale back their ambitious order book for the A380 either..
Having said that, I think the EK25/26 is safe, for now...
Bochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 485 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6330 times:
Quoting Emirates001 (Reply 19): Do you really think there is a market for a second flight out of GLA in this economic downturn?
Yes.
I fly on this route many time a year and the load factor is ALWAYS above my expectations: I would say about 90% in economy.
But yes, I completely agree that the economic downturn may slow expansion, but surely not stop it completely. After all the GLA-DXB route has been going for over 5 years.
How long were the likes of MAN and BHX going for before 2x daily?
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4061 posts, RR: 16 Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6308 times:
Quoting Bochora (Reply 18): It is so successful that it surely must be 2x daily.
Is it? According to CAA statistics, they had an average of around 315 people on each flight in 2007, on an aircraft that carries 427 passengers.
It's a fairly good performer as a single daily flight on a high density aircraft.
Emirates001 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6104 times:
Don't forget guys, the Scottish Executive gave Emirates a business grant in the first place to come to Scotland and guess what, that subsidy ran out recently. Perhaps EK are finally picking up the true cost of their GLA tab..
and the 777-300ER DXB/GLA carries 485 pax including J class.
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4061 posts, RR: 16 Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6097 times:
Quoting Emirates001 (Reply 22):
and the 777-300ER DXB/GLA carries 485 pax including J class.
Fairly certain it's 427. 385 in Economy, 42 in Business. Unless they've recently changed the configuration?
I'd be surprised if they could fit 485 seats in a 77W that isn't in a single class configuration.
Still, if Bochora says that economy was always 90% full, it only suggests that the business class cabin was relatively empty, based on total passenger figures.
SBGLexpat From Brazil, joined Oct 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6056 times:
Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 23): Fairly certain it's 427. 385 in Economy, 42 in Business.
Correct for some aircraft, but a few other actually have 400 in Economy and 42 in Business bringing the total passenger load to 442; you can check at EK's website.
Regards.
25 Bochora: If I remember correctly, GLA was EK's most successful route ever launched in the UK. As the GLA director said,"Emirates has been a real success story
26 GLAGAZ: Correct. 427 and 442 are the 77W configS (Y/J). For S08 GLA was scheduled for 5x LD config and 2x HD config per week. S09 is showing as all LD 77W. G
27 Danfearn77: Im not too sure and i am intrigued to find out too. I suppose one thing we have to remember is onward connections through DXB. From MAN, there is a h
29 Ek-a380: I would say that MAN needs an early bird 0800am ish departure to DXB similar to London Heathrow and Gatwick for even better onward connections.
30 Sandyb123: Yes, i was amazed that the plane was so full the last couple of times I've flown on the EK out of Glasgow. I was lucky to get all three window seats
31 Danfearn77: Yes couldnt agree more. I think adding a third daily flight, with A330 in the morning should come before the introduction of the A380 to MAN. Its not
32 BY738: Id be surprised, in this climate, if there was any major long haul expansion, particularly on regional routes.
33 Emirates001: Does anybody really think a GLA/JFK by EK is going to happen? These are tough times for airlines, even for the giant that is Emirates. I can't see a d
34 Danfearn77: There is a lot of truth in these statements, however if EK are performing well on such regional flights i think they wouldnt shy away from expanding.
35 Planemanofnz: In case you didn't know, high load factor does not equal high yield or profitability.
36 Planesarecool: For 2007: MAN: 495,234 (Average 339 per flight) GLA: 231,044 (Average 316 per flight) Definately. I've managed to get a return ticket on BA in WTP in
37 Bochora: I agree but it would be a nice addition! Oh I can, and I would be willing to bet quite a lot on it.
38 Danfearn77: That was just my opinion. I would rather see a third daily on A330 than swap a 773 for an A380. Having three EK departures per day would be great for
39 EmiratesUK: I think the next step of changes for EK and the UK will be... LHR EK4/3 change from 77W to A380 All LHR change to 77W & A380 (some operate with 773 &
40 Sandyb123: I doubt that EDI would get it. I remember when they first came to Scotland they looked at EDI, but GLA got it based on population reach and business
41 Emirates001: Looking at the EK website today it confirms the changeover of flight numbers from EK25/26 to EK 27/28. Flight times are pretty much the same though. E
42 Bochora: They were going to start EDI but a short while before they changed to GLA because EDI didn't have enough potential for expansion: runway length and t
43 Bochora: Here is the 2008 CAA stats for BHX/GLA/MAN compared to JAN-NOV 2007 Manchester: Jan - Nov 2008 450348 Down 0.5% approx Jan - Nov 2007 453029 Birmingha
44 Planemanofnz: They already serve Scotland quite well through GLA. They need to open up a new market - I don't understand why they don't already fly to Spain, Holla
45 Bochora: Gulf Air tried and failed. Etihad operate A330 to Dublin. Aer Lingus serve Dubai. I don't see any more expansion happening here.
46 EDICHC: An hour's drive from Edinburgh to NCL? Are you Lewis Hamilton? I don't think so 2 - 2 1/2 hrs is more like it, especially with the number of speed ca
48 Sandyb123: Sorry, you are absolutely right! I think I was being a bit optimistic! I just don't think that for a long haul flight like that a hour and a half dri
49 Nighthawk: Aberdeen to Glasgow is about a two hour drive, yet whenever anyone at work needs to goto Dubai, they will fly ABZ-AMS/CDG-DXB. Its far more convenien
50 Danfearn77: True but look at MAN. EK serve as well as EY and QR. They can take on competition and win. There is rumour QR or EY are pulling out of MAN so they ca
51 Emirates001: Perhaps the population demographic has something to do with it. Remember there are large Asian communities living in Glasgow and in the Manchester ar
52 LH121GLA: There's not THAT much of a difference.
53 LH121GLA: 1. Correct 2. Correct - several times a week going daily next summer I believe. 3. Incorrect. They used to - not any more.
54 Bochora: I can't see EY pulling out because they have begun sending 777 to MAN. Oh, sorry. EY seem to have this route covered.
55 MANmatt: Incorrect, they sent the 77W in as a one-off on the 2nd day of the winter timetable at the end of October. MAN is still daily 332. Matt
56 AirNZ: Nope, Aer Lingus don't serve Dubai at all. I'm not disputing what you are saying with regards to going double, but would with regards to "tough times
57 Danfearn77: That 777 op was a one off. One of their 332's must have been in maintenance or something. EY is a long shot to pull out but either them or QR will go
58 Danfearn77: Sorry i didnt refresh my page so missed your replay. But my point exactly. Shame because i would love to see their 773's at MAN! Could not agree more
59 Planemanofnz: No they don't. And the reason this service stopped was because of the failure of EI to secure codesharing or interlining agreements with EK for conne
60 EDICHC: The key words are per capita. Now I must confess I don't have the most recent figures but the last time I saw them there was very little difference i
61 Bochora: The same is true for EDI. Runway extensions we can hope for would, I think, start many more flights into EDI.
62 LH121GLA: Not sure what you mean here - EY fly to AUH ... not DXB.
63 Danfearn77: Same region though. But that is one of the reasons EK could make DUB work.
64 Sandyb123: EDI overtook GLA as the busiest airport in 2007 and I think the swing is actually more like 10-15% more pax at EDI. I used to have a few meetings at
65 Bochora: This was most definately a consideration for EK. I know someone disputed this before but EK had intended to start EDI-DXB but because of no hope of u
66 GLAGAZ: No, no and more no. NCL's runway is shorter than EDI's. Gaz
67 GLAGAZ: I've still to see anything confirming this second daily flight. However if Emirates were to make such a decision, I would imagine the thought process
68 Bochora: Another suggestion of expansion in Glasgow is the fact that EK's partner hotel, Jumeirah, is building a world-class hotel in Glasgow.
69 Sandyb123: I think Glasgow is a great and prospering city and at the moment is putting Edinburgh to shame (I am a resident of Edinburgh and many of my fellow Ed
70 GLAGAZ: I doubt that would have an impact on an impending Emirates expansion to be honest. I feel Edinburgh is fully deserving of flights to the middle east.
71 Bochora: It would make any withdrawal from GLA very unlikely.
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