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Roots Air, Can Jet, Canada 3000 Mega, What Next?  
User currently offlineTaliban From Ukraine, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Hello,

I have been wondering that nowadays, so many Airlines are popping up in Canada and all of them have jets.
Are they sure that they might make profit in a country of 30 million?
I mean, from Pearson in Toronto, Air Canada operates about 10 flights to lets say New York City. Now, if all these airlines also fly the same route, would they be able to generate revenue?
Well, I hope they do, cause I live near airport and love to see all the planes pass by.
Best Regards,
Taliban

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User currently onlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1553 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

Taliban,

I was just thinking about this topic, too, in response to the thread on the Canada 3000 re-branding concept.

I think what you'll see in the next couple of years is the emergence of four distinct competitors in the Canadian market, with no others: Air Canada, Canada 3000/Royal/CanJet, Roots Air, and WestJet.

Air Canada is, of course, the major top-tier carrier, and quite obviously the Goliath to slay. I can see C3 changing their name to something more professional-sounding, such as (as suggested on the other thread) Royal Canadian, Canadian International, or Canada World Airways--much in the same way that USAir changed its name to USAirways in order to sound more classy.

AC and a rebranded C3 could thus become the American and United of Canada. In order to do this, though, C3 would have to expand further to non-leisure destinations in the U.S. (ie, Washington, New York, Chicago, etc.) and a few transatlantic destinations (such as London, Paris, etc.). You'd have two intercontinental airlines squaring off against each other, with AC as the incumbent and C3 as the dramatically smaller challenger.

Roots Air, if it's successful, would probably be more of a domestic airline, perhaps with a few European flights in the future. They'll provide some badly-needed competition for Air Canada on transcon routes with their high-class service.

WestJet will remain the Southwest of Canada, and will probably continue expanding eastward, out of Hamilton. U.S. routes to places like Baltimore and Newark, which have been rumored, will probably be on the way, too.

And then, of course, you'd still have the charters--Skyservice and Air Transat.

The future of the Canadian air travel market depends on how willing the government is to allow other airlines to compete on an even field with Air Canada. At this time, with the merger of AC and Canadian, you've got a a mega-airline that controls a large majority of the Canadian market. If other airlines were allowed to compete without AC pricing them out of the market (as airlines like American do here in the U.S.), it's likely that C3 or Roots can rise up to become another Air Canada (or CPAir/Canadian). However, if the status quo is allowed to continue, AC will persist in waltzing all over Canada and maintaining the only serious major airline status in the country.

It's definitely going to be interesting.


User currently offlineAir Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

This is a crazy country: the Netherlands. We have so many airlines at this moment: KLM, KLM Cityhoper, KLM exel, BA Base, Transavia Airlines, Martinair, Dutch Bird, Vip Air, Denim Air, TTA and Air Holland. Next to these we have foreign airlines who use Dutch airports as their second hub and with a number of flights; Eurowings, easyJet and VLM Airlines. All the Dutch airlines (exept BA Base, Denim Air and TTA) and all other airlines (exept VLM) have regional and/or wide body jets for a population of just 15 million people! Amazing. Some of them will die quickly, I suppose.

User currently offlineTaliban From Ukraine, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

Well I believe that most of these airlines will merge. Others will simply go bankrupt and some like KLM will cut down their domestic and some nearby services.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Did you hear the new rumour?? Gerry Shwartz (sp) and his wife are going to take over C3 and call it CHAPTERSAIR.  Smile


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineTaliban From Ukraine, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

That name sounds cheesy and besides, what does C3 stands for? Can Jet?

User currently onlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1553 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

C3 = Canada 3000. Seems fairly obvious, eh?

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

I'm sorry that was a little joke that is going around...  Smile I guess you have to be from around these parts to get it...Gerry is the CEO of ONEX the company that tried to buy AC and CP last year, his wife is the CEO of Chapters a local book store, that is known for it's trendy look and different atmosphere, just like ROOTS, They both tried to take over AMAZON this year. Maybe some of the locals will get it, ah?


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Hey Slawko....don't count your marbles too soo, it may happen.....

LOL

Grant

Long Live Royal!!!



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineWestjet_737 From Japan, joined Nov 1999, 869 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Slawko,

How is Schwartz/ONEX viewed in Canada? Nothing like Ichan in the states I hope?

rgds
russ

Also, for Dutch airlines, don't forget Basiq Air, the low cost arm of Transavia.

Belgium has a few too:

Sabena
Sobelair
CityBird
Virgin Express
and now: Ryan Air
Brussels International went out of business


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

ONEX has swallowed a lot of companies, the airline thing is only a minor part....Most of the time ONEX does well in it's ventures, but we alllaugh at the airline thing...I don' think many canadians were warm to the idea of letting Americans run our industy.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
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