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CO/UA And NW/DL: Speculation Thread Re IAH/HOU  
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

I started this thread over at www.houstonspotters.net - I thought I'd see if any a.netters had any insight as well...

So what can we expect at Hobby and IAH with the DL/NW marriage and CO and UA shacking up...here are my guesses
HOU
I wouldn't be surprised if we see some Diesel 9s on the HOU-ATL run or maybe even a 319. Other than that we'd get the customary 170 or 175 along with CRJs.

IAH
DL: With CO leaving SkyTeam, would DL upgrade aircraft seeing as the capacity would no longer be shared with CO? Or would it remain the same? I'd guess IAH-ATL would see a 319/320 ultimately. Of course I'd hope to see a 757 or 767 on the ATL run. Mad Dogs and Diesels would probably show up routinely on MSP/DTW/MEM and hopefully we get mainline back to SLC.

CO: Well - with 739s and those 4 additional 753s coming online I'd expect to see them show up on ORD and SFO. IAD would probably come back with a 73G or so.

UA: I'd expect DEN and ORD would keep at least 1 757 on them. I just got off of a UA 757 from Denver yesterday (12/15) and it was damn near full - granted its ski time tho. I'd guess that SFO may go to twice daily and/or see a 757 on the run. IAD already has one mainline Airbus and one 170 - maybe it'll go all mainline. I don't know the ramifications of the partnership but it would be great if UA could operate the second IAH-HNL run with a 763 (CO's 2nd flight is going 762) as well as running IAH-LAX. United doesn't fly widebodies domestically except between hubs and to Hawaii - so I'm not going to hold my breath for a UA 763 down here - but that would be great. Secondly, I'd guess that UA and US would move back on over to the North Concourse of A since it'll be closer to TerminaLink.

US: More mainline to CLT hopefully along with 319/320s. PHX could see 321 or 757. PHL could go mainline.
AC: Bring back the buses
LH: 744 hopefully stays. Maybe a MUC run with a 343 or 333.
SQ: Here to stay
KL: Stays the same
AF: Stays the same
Wild cards: Asiana/ANA/Egyptair/TAM/BMI - if any of these I would say Asiana would be the most likely but I think Asia will be well served via CO/UA nonstops and connections via LAX/ORD/SFO/HNL/SEA and NRT.

These are my guesses - also when is construction going to commence on Terminal B? When is TerminaLink going to be complete?


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

I would say more 757s from UA to IAH, and 737-800s, 737-900s to ORD from CO. Also SFO would probably get a 757-300 or two.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3999 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6137 times:
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we do already serve SFO with the occassional 757-300 out of IAH. Nothing scheduled. However, I think we'd see maybe a different scheduled flight on a -800 to increase the availability.

Quoting Drerx7 (Thread starter):
LH: 744 hopefully stays. Maybe a MUC run with a 343 or 333.

would def love to see MUC start up.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):

I dont think we'll see any more 757's from UA. If UA decides to throw in more traffic, they can upgrade their UAX filights back to mainline.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

How is the SQ IAH flight doing LF wise now?


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6027 times:

How about CO bringing IAH-IAD back?.. They can connect to DXB or KWI.


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

I could see IAH-IAD back with a 73G or classic. One of the IAH-IAD runs on UA is a 'bus.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7702 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

Domestically I would just look for more capacity to SFO, ORD, LAX, and IAD. Reguardless who flies it.

Internationally, LH to MUC should be a given at some point. It would also be nice to see another nonstop flight to Asia besides just CO's NRT flight. OZ to ICN would be good.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3999 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5908 times:
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having a ICN/TPE destination would be best.

the only increase i can see in the LAX market would be to add hourly service, b/c we are upwards of 11 flights a day as it is.

DEN can def see an increase in flying, as we are down to about 10 flights a day right now. Only 6 flights a day are scheduled for this coming summer's traffic. (ouch)



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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

OZ to ICN would be excellent. That's the best connector hub to Asia in my mind.

Domestically, I'd like to see CO re-open markets like Oakland, Bakersfield, Palm Springs, Boise, Reno, San Angelo, Abilene, Chicago Midway, Chattanooga, Tallahassee, Sarasota, Hartford, and Providence. Then I'd like to see future expansion into UA markets by CO to places like Spokane, Burbank, Santa Barbara, Fresno, Oceanside/Carlsbad, Jackson Hole, Lincoln, Springfield MO, Cedar Rapids, Fort Wayne, Buffalo, and Rochester NY.

Internationally, I am really waiting for service to Santiago on CO metal. That's the last piece of the puzzle needed now that GIG is supposedly coming. Oh, that and Madrid...


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7702 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5581 times:



Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 8):
Domestically, I'd like to see CO re-open markets like Oakland, Bakersfield, Palm Springs, Boise, Reno, San Angelo, Abilene, Chicago Midway, Chattanooga, Tallahassee, Sarasota, Hartford, and Providence.

I dont think aligning with UA will affect any of those markets and service to IAH.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 8):
Internationally, I am really waiting for service to Santiago on CO metal.

SCL is a pretty marginal destination. I dont know that CO and IAH really warrant service there. They were smarter to focus on GIG, where CO and IAH definately need service.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 8):
Oh, that and Madrid...

I really dont see it happening now. Texas-MAD has a market, but its not huge. One flight from Texas to MAD would cover it and AA is starting that in May from DFW. It will work out better from there any way since AA/IB will probably have ATI. Even lacking that, they have a good codeshare relationship. The airlines (CO and LH) would be smarter to focus on places where there are Star Alliance hubs, like MUC.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 8):
OZ to ICN would be excellent.

This one would be great. IAH needs a flight where IAH O&D can connect through out Asia. ICN would serve that well.



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3683 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

I wonder the likelihood of CO starting GVA, OSL, and BRU in a year or two from IAH. There have been a few articles regarding growing business ties to GVA and OSL, while BRU will have the strong African hub with SN/LH.


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User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

IAH
DL: Pretty much how it is now...possibly a

Quoting Drerx7 (Thread starter):
IAH
DL: With CO leaving SkyTeam, would DL upgrade aircraft seeing as the capacity would no longer be shared with CO? Or would it remain the same? I'd guess IAH-ATL would see a 319/320 ultimately. Of course I'd hope to see a 757 or 767 on the ATL run. Mad Dogs and Diesels would probably show up routinely on MSP/DTW/MEM and hopefully we get mainline back to SLC.

I don't see much change at all on the DL side of the new DL in IAH. I see more of a change on the NW side; although NW has already seen major changes in capacity in IAH over the last year and half. NW feeds quite a bit of passengers to CO flights and many connect to NW flights from CO in IAH. This will all change soon and already has been slowly reducing. I could see pretty much all CRJ-900 for NW with just a couple of A319/320 to DTW/MSP and a mix of CRJ-900 and 200 to MEM.

With CO leaving SkyTeam I could see KL in the future upgrading the 2nd AMS flight to more capacity. I don't think this will be immediate...I think they will wait to see how the effects any contracts both CO and KL have on this route and beyond. LH will play a big role here.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6691 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Once the UA/CO codeshare goes through you'll probably see more UA mainline at CLE, EWR, and IAH. A few 757s to each one, but certainly no widebodies, and no expansion at all except to the main hubs. I would also like to see IAD-EWR go mainline instead of the UAX.


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User currently offlineAznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3683 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5229 times:



Quoting Drerx7 (Thread starter):
HOU
I wouldn't be surprised if we see some Diesel 9s on the HOU-ATL run or maybe even a 319. Other than that we'd get the customary 170 or 175 along with CRJs.

How are the HOU flights doing? Do they warrant operating out at both airports? Are they operating the flights to compete with FL? I eventually see them consolidating to IAH and closing HOU. Maybe this can attract VX or more B6 flights out of HOU such as to BOS.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

I flew HOU-ATL-BNA this past July on Delta (MD88) and it was about 65% full. Right now they have 7 dailies with a mix between 170s and CR9s - next month it appears that it will be all CR9 and an MD88.


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

I do think that a nonstop to MUC on LH is a given sometime. OS to ICN, I'm not to sure about that. As someone else said, Texas-MAD has a market, and it will be primarily covered by the DFW-MAD flight.


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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4725 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 3):
How is the SQ IAH flight doing LF wise now?

LF wise I'm sure it's pretty horrible. As for cargo and the front of the cabin, I'm sure it's pretty good.
H.A.S. should report November traffic number's on Friday.
http://www.fly2houston.com/newsTraffic


User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

That would be awesome to see the A319 and the return of the DC-9 to HOU. Do you think that possibly the new Delta may reinstate service to MSP or DTW? Northwest has flown to HOU in the past with service to MSP, DTW, and MEM. I remember seeing their DC-9s at the old Terminal B, but they pulled out and moved all of their service to IAH. Great times!  Smile


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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3471 times:



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 16):
LF wise I'm sure it's pretty horrible. As for cargo and the front of the cabin, I'm sure it's pretty good.
H.A.S. should report November traffic number's on Friday.
http://www.fly2houston.com/newsTraffic

The November traffic numbers:
http://system.gocampaign.com/files/file.asp?f=114307

LF numbers for SQ were at about 45% for November.
The belly of the plane was full on every flight.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3347 times:



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 18):
LF numbers for SQ were at about 45% for November.
The belly of the plane was full on every flight.

Hence the use of the 773 on the route and probably why the route will be sustained at least for the time being. I think SQ will try and make IAH work with CO entering Star. If the feed is not substantive enough then I'm sure the will move around.



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