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WN Could Start LGA In June With 1 Or 2 Routes  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5173 times:

He must have meant "1 or 2 ROUTES" and not "1 or 2 FLIGHTS".

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Stor...2E180264%7d&siteid=yhoof2#comments

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Southwest Airlines (LUV:Southwest Airlines Co.
could begin flights to New York City's LaGuardia Airport as early as June, Chief Executive Gary Kelly said Wednesday. ...

Southwest had previously announced its intention to buy 14 slots at LaGuardia from bankrupt ATA. Southwest would begin with one or two non-stop flights daily to La Guardia but Kelly declined to say where the flights would originate.


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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

That would make sense, because I thought it was WN company policy to not open a station unless they could maintain something like 14 daily flights... which would explain them going after 14 slots?


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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5088 times:



Quoting San747 (Reply 1):
That would make sense, because I thought it was WN company policy to not open a station unless they could maintain something like 14 daily flights... which would explain them going after 14 slots?

14 slots are 7 departures and 7 arrivals.


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5080 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 2):

14 slots are 7 departures and 7 arrivals.

Ahhh. That's interesting then. With only 7 daily frequencies possible, would they devote them all to one route, like LGA-BWI or MDW, or split it between two (most like BWI and MDW)?

Unless they try some Florida routes... Maybe a split of 3x TPA, 3x MCO, and 1x JAX or something?



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5048 times:



Quoting San747 (Reply 3):
Ahhh. That's interesting then. With only 7 daily frequencies possible, would they devote them all to one route, like LGA-BWI or MDW, or split it between two (most like BWI and MDW)?

That's exactly what the article questions. Personally I think there will be one Florida and the rest to MDW.


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2050 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4901 times:



Quoting San747 (Reply 3):
Unless they try some Florida routes... Maybe a split of 3x TPA, 3x MCO, and 1x JAX or something?

That seems highly unlikely to me. I'm going to guess MDW gets them all or BWI ends up with a couple.


User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

Maybe MSP-LGA? NW is the only airline on this route, but we all know what happened when AA tried this route.


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User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

With all the cheap deals there are now going to be between Australia & LAX (DL, UA, VA, QF, NZ, FJ etc.) this is good news for Australians wanting to head to NYC.

Many will now buy a ticket to LAX & separate ticket to LGA, with or without stop in LAX.

For some strange reason, many of add on fares (to say SYD/LAX) from LAX don't allow a stopover in LAX, which means stop of under 24 hours permitted, but no more, so the big boys are forcing many passengers to look at US domestic airlines like WN.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8278 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4747 times:
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Southwest will probably not go to Florida as Delta, JetBlue and others serve that market well. SW will do LGA to Midway Airport in Chicago. Balitmore is too close and competes with the shuttles and Amtrak Fats Train, Asela.

User currently offlineA318 From Bahamas, joined Jan 2008, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4747 times:



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 6):
Maybe MSP-LGA?

lol, I read that very fast and for a second I thought you were crazy and wrote ISP-LGA. Wouldn't that be funny  Smile



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4689 times:



Quoting A318 (Reply 9):
I thought you were crazy and wrote ISP-LGA. Wouldn't that be funny

I can picture it now: SuperSaver $5 fares  Silly They'd be competing directly with the Long Island Railroad  Wink



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User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Here is my thought on the LGA service, Monday thru Friday 7 round trips a day on a MDW-LGA-MDW route. Then on Satursdays 6 round trips MDW-LGA-MDW and 1 round trip LGA-LAS-LGA or Saturday & Sunday 6 round trips MDW-LGA-MDW and 1 round trip LGA-MCO-LGA.


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4608 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 7):
With all the cheap deals there are now going to be between Australia & LAX (DL, UA, VA, QF, NZ, FJ etc.) this is good news for Australians wanting to head to NYC.

Many will now buy a ticket to LAX & separate ticket to LGA, with or without stop in LAX.

Actually, my guess on this would be no. LGA has a perimeter rule limiting flights to 1,500 miles or less (someone correct me if I'm wrong on this number), so Australians would have to fly LAX-XXX-LGA to get to NYC when they could just fly to JFK or EWR instead. It's not worth the hassle of an extra connection to be a little bit closer to Manhattan when they land.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12333 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Umm, your quote of Gary Kelly says could, so the thread title is somewhat misleading.

In any case, DING!



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4571 times:



Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 12):
It's not worth the hassle of an extra connection to be a little bit closer to Manhattan when they land.

Of course, if they're going to fly WN regardless, they'll be making a stop somewhere in flyover country.



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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4475 times:



Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 11):
Here is my thought on the LGA service, Monday thru Friday 7 round trips a day on a MDW-LGA-MDW route. Then on Satursdays 6 round trips MDW-LGA-MDW and 1 round trip LGA-LAS-LGA or Saturday & Sunday 6 round trips MDW-LGA-MDW and 1 round trip LGA-MCO-LGA.

Could be..but wouln't WN luv to put a needle in CO's eye..ie: 4 daily MDW round trips, then 2-3 HOU flights. Then maybe on weekends cut one and make it a MCO round trip.


User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4428 times:

They may do something wtih a LGA-DEN routing, as I think Denver is exempt from the Perimeter rule.

User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4270 times:

Honestly, as much as I hate to see Southwest entering LaGuardia, I see them most likely doing 4x MDW and 3x BWI.


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User currently offlineSBON From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4247 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):
In any case, DING!

this made me laugh terribly!! haha!

i would assume that the flights will either be to MDW, like everyone else has posted, but i also think that WN will try out a destination in FL like MCO or TPA. we'll see soon enough, won't we?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4364 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4247 times:
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Expect LGA-MDW and LGA-BWI.


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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Times they're sure a changing at Southwest. To think LGA after all these years of being dead set against it and other similar airports as a pure matter of "corporate philosophy." Herb's probably scratching his head ( as are many employees I bet ) and I'll bet he and Bob Crandall have had some interesting front-porch retirement conversations about this move. Add another "secret intent" at another major city in 2009. Wonder what else WN has in store?


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4219 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 10):
I can picture it now: SuperSaver $5 fares They'd be competing directly with the Long Island Railroad

They would win too!  crazy 

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 17):
Honestly, as much as I hate to see Southwest entering LaGuardia, I see them most likely doing 4x MDW and 3x BWI.

I can see them filling the Chicago flights but that many to Baltimore?


User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4190 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
but that many to Baltimore

While I'll bet there's a decent amount of traffic between BOS and BWI already, the "Southwest effect" tends to create traffic in a market where you might not think enough exists by lowering the fares and stimulating interest. They've demonstrated that ability time and time again. From a WN perspective, serving BWI is also just another close-by alternative for Washington, DC as well - so they wind up covering WAS nicely without even touching down at DCA. Finally, at BWI, you actually have some connection opportunities.

I'd not be totally surprised to see all 7 frequencies go to BWI. At least they'd truly dominate the 1 market they serve from LGA. They've put more frequencies on much less likely city pairs!

The thing about LGA-MDW though is the fact that even if using all slots, they'll still be a WAY distant 4th in NYC-CHI behind UA, AA, and CO. Instead, they'll look more like DL, the small potato in the market. I don't think WN wants to be positioned that far from 1st place on the route(s) they ultimately select from this quite important airport.



Life's tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid. J. Wayne
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4132 times:



Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 12):
Actually, my guess on this would be no. LGA has a perimeter rule limiting flights to 1,500 miles or less (someone correct me if I'm wrong on this number),

I believe there are cities like DEN that are exempt from the mileage limit. Also, the perimeter rule is only Sunday thru Friday.


User currently offlineDaufuskieGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

DEN is exempt only on Saturday IIRC. DFW is the longest route within the perimeter.

25 Mariner : I don't think so. United and Frontier both fly the route on a daily basis. I dont know of any other city beyond the perimeter that was "grandfathered
26 Breaker1011 : SLC, SFO and LAX got some weekend exceptions at some point. I don't think they are even used today.
27 STT757 : Denver was grandfathered in, all other routes of more than 1,500 miles are prohibited except for on Saturdays.
28 Fjnovak1 : I think they should do 5-6x daily to MDW and 1-2x daily to HOU, and have that one same plane service to DAL.
29 JetBlueAUS : Hmm, quite possibly. BWI is a major Southwest station and connecting traffic could definitely come into play here... If an LGA passenger were to have
30 SXDFC : Uncle Herb maybe retired but he still over-see's and has his input in a lot of what is and what will be going on with Southwest in the next five year
31 Toltommy : Nope, it'll be all business markets. 7x LGA-MDW, fares starting at $79 each way, that's my guess. They won't need to get fancy and have multiple mark
32 CV990A : Like me. I do DC-NYC at least once a month, and have used WN's BWI-ISP route many times, so I would give their BWI-LGA flights serious consideration.
33 GentFromAlaska : Because WN intends to offer limited flights from both LGA and MSP I have a suspicion these two cities were selected as possible WestJet interchange or
34 IAHFLYER : I have to agree, but with 1 or two flights on the weekend going to Florida.
35 UN_B732 : What about DAL-LGA after Wright gets lifted? Great way to get at AA. -A
36 AWACSooner : Obviously, no one here (save OPNLguy and a few others) really knows what'll happen, but we can all speculate. My prediction: 4X MDW 2X BWI 1X HOU
37 Enilria : That seems pretty unlikely since the quote is "one or two".
38 Mexicana757 : As I have stated in previous posts I think WN will have all 7X to MDW or 5X to MDW and 2X somewhere else. I don't see them going to BWI. If they are t
39 Atrude777 : That will happen for sure come 2014, I can 99% guarantee that. Alex
40 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : Now I have to look at those ugly planes taking off from my hometown airport...even more the reason to fly out of JFK....Those slots should have been a
41 Atrude777 : Don't contradict yourself, wanting to ban WN at LGA is NOT "I'm all about competition". As for cattle heard, that kind of ended with the new boarding
42 Mexicana757 : Then you shouldn't fly anywhere WN goes to. I don't see how 7 WN flights a day are going to bring LGA to a halt. If you were for competition you woul
43 DiscoverCSG : Sadly, they won't. The LIRR doesn't serve LGA... and it only kind of serves ISP. I think it's supposed to be "cattle herd." WN's boarding is unique.
44 Cubsrule : It's generally fine on board. Sometimes, you have a lot of parties of 2 trying to hold the middle seat between them empty, but that's about the only
45 Atrude777 : I was sort of mocking him since thats how he spelled it. Alex
46 TDubJFK : Actually ,WN did have what I considered a sort of oddball route out of ISP a few years back. They actually flew ISP-PVD which, on a jet, had to amoun
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