Boeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 944 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15040 times:
High minimum captains on new equipment are restricted to higher ceiling and visibility requirements compared to someone who has been on the airplane for more than 100 hrs (I am not expecting the public nor the press to understand this).
LongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4549 posts, RR: 36 Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14619 times:
At my airline, a new Captain must have 300 hours PIC on type before he can perform anything below an RVR 2600 landing or takeoff. An experienced Captain, but new on type must have 100 PIC on type before he can perform a CAT II or CAT III landing.
Sounds like he did the right thing. They may well have sent the flight knowing the restrictions, with return fuel and reserves on the hope it was not as bad as forecast ... it happens.
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Caaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 183 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14396 times:
This is not such a major issue. There are reasons why flights divert back to their origins.
a LH flight trying to get into BRS recently, couldn't get in due to fog, diverted back to FRA (I think). With a number of closeby airports still open!
DurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 614 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14213 times:
If you fly to the some of the airports that OO flies to you can see this happen a lot. The other part people forget about is that the weather at an airport can change a lot from the time a plane takes off to the time it approaches the destination. A good example is today in SGU, a flight took off from SLC and the weather in SGU was just cloudy otherwise no problem with landing but about 15 minutes before they were supposed to land the weather let loose and they had to divert to CDC because it was snowing to hard.
RedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2137 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14098 times:
Flymaybe becomes Landmaybe?
What's so unusual about this story is the announcement the captain made. I believe that most captains in this situation would rather say something general like, "Due to fog at the airport, we need to turn back." It's more unusual when a captain says that he's not qualified to land the plane.
When I first read this I assumed that it was an ERJ pilot thats gone over to the Q400. Quite interesting that (if they got it right) its a Q300 pilot now on the Q400. Is this somebody from Air Southwest?
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5641 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13620 times:
Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 7): A good example is today in SGU, a flight took off from SLC and the weather in SGU was just cloudy otherwise no problem with landing but about 15 minutes before they were supposed to land the weather let loose and they had to divert to CDC because it was snowing to hard.
SGU has higher than standard minimums to begin with due to the terrain and non-precision approach. There is no ILS for SGU.
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MilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 848 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13187 times:
Remember all those comments about how the first A380 SIN-NRT flight diverted to NGO, and people were saying they couldn't believe the SQ plane didn't land, when all the other planes did. I am now thinking this is the reason...
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12935 times:
I think the article is well-written as the last paragraph mentions:
Quote: Independent aviation consultant Simon Gill said: 'His only mistake was announcing his lack of qualification. If he had just said it was not safe to land because of adverse weather conditions, nobody would have minded.'
And I completely agree here. It is extremely bad PR to mention over the intercom that you're not qualified enough. I think it's completely understandable that passengers are scared. You cannot expect from ordinary pax to know all the ins and outs about pilot licenses.
Cumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10303 times:
Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 2): What I am curious about is whether or not the fog was forecast at CDG and if so, they shouldn't have departed.
I flew SOU-JER last June, a 35 minute flight. METAR gave CAVOK and a RVR of 1000m+ on departure. By the time we got there, couldn't see shit and had to divert to Dinard. Even the BA 737s, Squeezyjet and BMI's were diverting.
Anything can happen and very quickly, the weather is a fickle thing!
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Cwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8827 times:
The flight had already been delayed quite badly due to the weather at CDG... I can understand that if I had a pilot say he wasn't qualified enough to land, it'd be an extremely uncomfortable hour back to CWL!
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Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8668 times:
Sounds like this pilot made all the right decisions as a result of sound aviation training. Yet so many people are criticizing him for the content of the announcement he made. Perhaps there is some training for tact & gentle diplomacy when talking to an airborne group with a high collective nervousness (any group of airline travelers), but to me, this pilot made a great call and exercised the correct action. We're grasping at straws when trying to point out flaws.
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FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7861 times:
What is surprising is that they actually left CWL ... I can't believe they didn't know when leaving CWL that there was some fog at CDG :
CWL-CDG is 497km/309mi only ... which is barely a 45/50 minutes flights. According to the passengers, the pilot made his announcement about 20 minutes before landing. I can tell you that on Tuesday, CDG was in a thick fog during hours, from the early morning to mid-afternoon.
They couldn't ignore the weather conditions at CDG when they left CWL or, even worse, they didn't check the weather conditions at CDG before departing CWL.