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Eastern Shortcut At ATL Closed?  
User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1670 posts, RR: 9
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7068 times:
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Last time I was at ATL, I noticed the former "Eastern Shortcut" that connected Eastern's end of Concourse B with Concourse C was closed. It was a moving walkway which was very convenient if you were near the end of the concourse. You wouldn't have to walk all the way to the middle of the concourse to catch the train. As recently as last summer I used this connector, but in October when I was there it was walled up. Does anyone know why?

Bob Bradley
Richmond, VA


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

I haven't used it in a couple months but DL has had it open for several years. I don't see any reason for it to have been closed; there is no manpower involved - there is no guard anywhere around.

User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

From what I understand it has to do with the jetway installation on C Concourse. Yes there were jetways before, the "Eastern" days, however they were spaced further apart than the brand new current ones for RJ's. The reason for the tunnel closure I was told was due to a new jetway placement that needed a foundation either over or very near the tunnel that caused it's closure. That's what I was told but could be wrong.


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6777 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 2):
From what I understand it has to do with the jetway installation on C Concourse. Yes there were jetways before, the "Eastern" days, however they were spaced further apart than the brand new current ones for RJ's. The reason for the tunnel closure I was told was due to a new jetway placement that needed a foundation either over or very near the tunnel that caused it's closure. That's what I was told but could be wrong.

Is this a permanent closure? The tunnel is a great way to change concourses without taking the train or walkways.



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User currently offlineCrawdad From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

The tunnel has been closed for passenger traffic for a few months now as DL is redesigning the way baggage is moved in ATL.

An additional bag sorter (bagroom) is being installed under the north end of B concourse. The tunnel between B and C is going to be used to feed the bagroom on C concourse. So now localy checked baggage will go from the main terminal to the bagroom on the departure concourse. The C bagroom will also be used for the DL/NW flights on D.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6468 times:

thanks for the good explanation crawdad. It probably makes sense to use that tunnel for baggage since it wasn't that heavily used instead of having to dig more tunnel space someplace else.

I'd love to see a schematic drawing of DL's bagroom locations and underground tunnels at ATL.


User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6148 times:

Does anyone have pictures of this shortcut?

User currently offlineJimpop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6089 times:



Quoting WDBRR (Reply 6):
Does anyone have pictures of this shortcut?

Mentally picture a 12 foot wide by 8 feet high by 800 yard long concrete block enclosure, add in dirty/stained carpet, dim lighting, poor elevators, and no air quality. That about sums it up.  Wink


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6066 times:



Quoting Jimpop (Reply 7):
Mentally picture a 12 foot wide by 8 feet high by 800 yard long concrete block enclosure, add in dirty/stained carpet, dim lighting, poor elevators, and no air quality. That about sums it up

LOL thats about it. That thing was a s**t hole. IMHO



yep.
User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Here is a question....was it built before the airport opened in 1980?
or was it built afterwards?


User currently offlineCrawdad From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

IIRC, the two big players in ATL at the time EA and DL each had a fair amount of control over the design of their respective concourses. DL was, at that time using A and the south half of B. EA used C and the north half of B. It was EA who originaly used/designed the passenger short cut and also the baggage tunnel that ran from the main terminal to their bagroom on B.


I have wondered why in A concourse so much larger (wider) than C. Anyone have any ideas?


User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5842 times:



Quoting Crawdad (Reply 10):
I have wondered why in A concourse so much larger (wider) than C. Anyone have any ideas?

Aren't A, B, and C the same width? I thought D was the only skinny one.

A, B, and C were specifically designed to support the major hub operations of EA & DL. I thought D was skinny because it supported O&D operations only and didn't deal with synchronized banks of connecting passengers walking to and fro.


User currently offlineCrawdad From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5798 times:

I agree, D is narrower than the rest. It may just be me but, I really think A is the widest of the three....



.....but then again, I do wear glasses.  Cool


User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1639 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5798 times:
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Speaking of baggage, how is the baggage moved from the concourses to the baggage pick up carousels for arriving passengers on Delta in ATL and does the baggage go to a central sorting central area for connecting flights.

Is there a separate tunnel for baggage between the concourses and if so do the baggage handlers drive in this tunnel or is at a moving belt type of system.

Since I have started flying on Delta I have connected a few times in ATL. I have seen the baggage handlers unloading baggage and sorting them on the ramp onto different baggage carts, I assume for those that are arriving at ATL and others that are connecting.

JetStar


User currently offlineCrawdad From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5759 times:

Bags that are checked-in localy go through the sorting system. The agents you see around an ariving aircraft are indeed sorting the luggage and will deliver the connecting bags to the departure gate of your connection. One or more of these agents are assigned to pick up and deliver local bags ( those bags that are checked to ATL ) to the baggage claim area.

No, there are no tunnels beneath the tarmac for tug traffic.

[Edited 2008-12-19 06:25:53]

User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

Conc D is certainly the odd one out of the A-D Midfield Terminal Complex. It is incorrect to say D was not built to the same standard simply because it only supported O&D. Had the airlines operating from that facility wanted a wider concourse and deeper holdrooms, they would have gotten just that. However, it was all about the $$$, as usual. They didn't want to pay for the increased construction and operational costs, therefore, it is barely half as wide as Conc A-C. It's basically the same as the T-Gates (South), except there are gates on both sides of the building vs single-loaded gates on T. The Airport could widen the concourse, but it wouldn't come cheap. What I have seen recently are the designs for a major expansion of concessions at the D centerpoint, and also I believe there is an addition of escalators on both sides, similar to what was done on A & B years ago. It will be a major improvement, but not sure of a construction timeline given the reduction in flights and passengers currently. I believe the original intention was to move forward with this sometime in '09.

User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5357 times:



Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 15):
Conc D is certainly the odd one out of the A-D Midfield Terminal Complex. It is incorrect to say D was not built to the same standard simply because it only supported O&D. Had the airlines operating from that facility wanted a wider concourse and deeper holdrooms, they would have gotten just that.

Wasn't it Southern Airways or another that had a small hub did not want to spend the money?


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5189 times:



Quoting WDBRR (Reply 16):
Wasn't it Southern Airways or another that had a small hub did not want to spend the money?

SO and what became Republic did operate a small hub, today we would call it a focus city, at ATL, but I'm not sure where they were located (the gates/locations of that airline will forever be a mystery to me--before my time).



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5182 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17):

SO and what became Republic did operate a small hub, today we would call it a focus city, at ATL, but I'm not sure where they were located (the gates/locations of that airline will forever be a mystery to me--before my time).

I thought it was gone by the time the building opened. Am I wrong?


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5177 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 18):
I thought it was gone by the time the building opened. Am I wrong?

Nope, SO itself was gone, but Republic (RC) inherited it. It closed in early 1984, IIRC.



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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1598 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

When the Midfield Terminal opened in 1980 Republic and Frontier occupied the southern end of D while the northern end was shared by Piedmont, Northwest, Ozark, and Braniff. Ocean Airways was somewhere in the mix as well. At that time Republic and Piedmont operated extensive feeder schedules into Atlanta to connect with Delta and Eastern. Republic was just starting its Memphis hub and Piedmont had yet to build its Charlotte hub (Eastern had a small Charlotte hub then).

So, to answer the question about concourse D, it is noticeably narrower than the others. There were no widebodies (Northwest had stopped flying DC-10s into Atlanta by then) and most flights were operated by DC-9s, Convair 580s, 737s and a handful of 727s. There were very few connections with most D-concourse traffic being either O&D or transfers to Delta and Eastern. Therefore, larger gate areas and wider aisles just weren't necessary.


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