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Aeromexico Extra GRU-MEX Flights  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Starting 16 December AM will operate additional seasonal flights MEX-GRU for the busy end of the year season:

AM1982 MEX0105 - 1425GRU 777 18DEC08
AM1016 MEX2110 - 1100+1GRU 763 19DEC08
AM1014 MEX0920 - 2240GRU 777 25DEC08
AM1014 MEX0105 - 1425GRU 777 27DEC08
AM1014 MEX0920 - 2240GRU 777 01JAN09
AM1016 MEX2110 - 1030+1GRU 777 02JAN09
AM1014 MEX0030 - 1350GRU 777 04JAN09
AM1016 MEX2110 - 1100+1GRU 777 10JAN09
AM1014 MEX0655 - 2010GRU 777 17JAN09

The above are in addition to AM daily MEX-GRU + 2 weekly MEX/CUN-GRU.

As a side note, MX started MEX-GRU 5 weekly and MX CEO stated that GRU will become the bedrock of MX operations in South America.

This is a major boost in capacity and frequency between Brazil and Mexico.

Rgs,

[Edited 2008-12-18 14:31:21]

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Very nice! AM is probably making a lot of money with its flights to GRU. Good for them. I hope MX can coexist with AM and that the market will prove to be big enough for the two carriers.

Ghost, what is the status of the one or two extra 777-200ERs that AM was considering buying/leasing during 2009? It would be great if GRU became an all-777 route (maybe the CUN flights could be 767s).



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2528 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
As a side note, MX started MEX-GRU 5 weekly and MX CEO stated that GRU will become the bedrock of MX operations in South America.

A 5 weekly bedrock that is. They don't fly it 5 weekly by choice. Not even a bilateral expansion would help them though.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2498 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
Very nice! AM is probably making a lot of money with its flights to GRU.

Hi, Eddie. GRU is AM most profitable business class destination. Of course, I expect things to change now with rival MX operating GRU nonstop. For the befit of travellers, expect more discounted fares, in addition to the gains on timetable options.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
I hope MX can coexist with AM and that the market will prove to be big enough for the two carriers.

I do think both can coexist. As I mentioned, CEO of MX was in Sao Paulo and he said he wants GRU to become MX bedrock in South America. We can expect MX to slowly but steadily continue to invest in GRU. I think the next step will be to introduce red-eye flights for both legs.

Rgs,


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
As a side note, MX started MEX-GRU 5 weekly and MX CEO stated that GRU will become the bedrock of MX operations in South America.

When is Mexicana's first flight to Brazil??? (I don't think they're flying there yet)

It looks like most airlines are looking at GRU as the "bedrock" of South America, its logical, largest population, largest economy in the region.

[Edited 2008-12-19 03:36:31]

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2450 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
When is Mexicana's first flight to Brazil??? (I don't think they're flying there yet)

Flights started last week.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
It looks like most airlines are looking at GRU as the "bedrock" of South America, its logical, largest population, largest economy in the region.

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User currently offlineNAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Does anyone know how Mexicana bookings are doing for their flights to GRU in both
Elite and Coach ??


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2292 times:
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Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
It looks like most airlines are looking at GRU as the "bedrock" of South America, its logical, largest population, largest economy in the region

GRU takes care of Brazil (more than 70% of the int'l passengers). This says everything. São Paulo two airports handle alone only 25% of all domestic passengers (including connections) and 68% of total international passengers (with connections also). For example Rio handle only 10% of domestic and 16% of international passengers. The more services it get, the more we may expect in the future.
Probably we will see further services from Alitalia/Air One, Swiss, LH, and new players from India, China, Russia, Nordic countries, Caribean, US, Africa and other states of Asia, all going to GRU.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2128 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Probably we will see further services from Alitalia/Air One, Swiss, LH, and new players from India, China, Russia, Nordic countries, Caribean, US, Africa and other states of Asia, all going to GRU.

If the above materialises this would be fantastic. It all shows the importance of hub performance in attracting more flights and investment to Brazil and the region. The winner is Brazil, more flights, more frequencies, more destinations. Of course, apart from the hub factor, GRU also counts on the strong and high yielding O&D market in São Paulo, nothing new here.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
GRU takes care of Brazil

And of São Paulo!!!

Rgs,


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2073 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
MX CEO stated that GRU will become the bedrock of MX operations in South America.

Speaking about their operations into the southern cone, MX MEX-EZE is already operating 12x weekly with 763.
Based on MX CEO statement, MX MEX-GRU will take advantage in the future over the consolidated MX MEX-EZE.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineRGElectra80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 2022 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):

That's great, but how is the GRU expansion coming along?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 2012 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
GRU takes care of Brazil

And of São Paulo!!!

Of course my friend, São Paulo as far as we know is part of Brazil.

Quoting RGElectra80 (Reply 10):
That's great, but how is the GRU expansion coming along?

Very slowly, there's a lot of issues with the third runway (in fact the second system) and the 3rd terminal and taxiway systems. Accounting National Court has requested a new bid process which means it's on the first stage. Expected for 2012.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
If the above materialises this would be fantastic. It all shows the importance of hub performance in attracting more flights and investment to Brazil and the region. The winner is Brazil, more flights, more frequencies, more destinations

The winner in part. Last weekend rain and system problems at GRU generates major delays country-wide. A country like Brazil, with the size and population of Brazil can't depend upon a single airport as international gateway, but as we always says, it's the lack of focus from the government that generates that. As the Government does not force the share of traffic, traffic will continue to focus on São Paulo GRU.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 2010 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Of course my friend, São Paulo as far as we know is part of Brazil.

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In this regard, GRU represents Brazil!!

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Very slowly, there's a lot of issues with the third runway (in fact the second system) and the 3rd terminal and taxiway systems. Accounting National Court has requested a new bid process which means it's on the first stage. Expected for 2012.

Which again shows the negligence of authorities to GRU and many other airports in Brazil.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
The winner in part. Last weekend rain and system problems at GRU generates major delays country-wide

The same way the problems today are in GIG: 40% delays!!

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 1999 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
The same way the problems today are in GIG: 40% delays!!

http://www.infraero.gov.br/impr_noti_prev.php?ni=6407&orig=home
Thanks to delays from other airports and from Infraero. Infraero, which manages all airports, treat the infra-structure at GIG with a lot of mistakes. Nothing surprises me. Only in Rio the big and international airport is a slave of a small one (SDU), only at GIG you need to wait to take off to give priority to other routes with more separation. But who manages the airport ? Ask them about the delays. There are resources available, they don't know how to use on a sea level city with the entire ocean available to manage routes.

As i use to say, problems at GIG have imediate solutions, but ANAC/Infraero are not looking for them.
Problems at other airports like BSB, CGH and GRU demand costly infra-structure improvements which also demand time.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
Which again shows the negligence of authorities to GRU and many other airports in Brazil.

Well, you can authorize flights very easily on short term, but to match infra-structure is another problem and demand long term planning. This is Brazil... they authorize the flights and place the pressure to infra-structure... this is smart ?
Just need to say, the first route South to Northeast (!) begin just last week, a daily (!) service CWB-SSA. All South to Northeast traffic (and it's huge on peak season) goes thru SAO, RIO, BSB (mostly SAO).



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