TKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6850 times:
Another Christmas gift from Turkish Airlines,
Turkish Airlines will acquire 4 new A321-200 having 20 dedicated business seats and 158 Economy all with AVOD entertaining equipment.
Two are to arrive this month, another in January and the last in February...
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4104 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6818 times:
Leasing from whom I wonder?
3x 321s were to leave from the current TK fleet early next year, maybe to cover that. Also might do some 310 routes, and let the 310s go.
It is still strange to pick up different frames with different configs, just because they are on sale.
Just when TK was about to be consistent with its product (now that all ordered 320/321/738s arrived), with the arrival of 777-300ERs and now these AVOD/dedicated business seated 321s, it is falling into that same position again.
BrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1271 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6807 times:
It sounds like very short notice for an order to be placed and filled. Are these existing orders that they are announcing will have this configuration? Or are these similarly configured planes being eventually returned to the lessor by an airline like MEA? Although I don't think it is in MEA's planes to return any A321s, that is if they are leasing them in the first place. Maybe they would be selling them to TK however. Such birds with such a configuration are not common on the market.
TKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6786 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 1): Leasing from whom I wonder?
3x 321s were to leave from the current TK fleet early next year, maybe to cover that. Also might do some 310 routes, and let the 310s go.
It is still strange to pick up different frames with different configs, just because they are on sale.
Just when TK was about to be consistent with its product (now that all ordered 320/321/738s arrived), with the arrival of 777-300ERs and now these AVOD/dedicated business seated 321s, it is falling into that same position again.
I wonder myself, where they will come from.
Dont know, but I like the configuration, as TK flies currently some 4h+ routes with A321. Thats not comfortable for such long routes.. ALA, TSE, DXB comes to my mind. For such route such an A/C is more appropriate.
Are you sure about 3 A321 leaving TKs fleet?? Out of one presentation from TK its is written that only 1 A321 will leave.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6741 times:
Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 2): Or are these similarly configured planes being eventually returned to the lessor by an airline like MEA? Although I don't think it is in MEA's planes to return any A321s, that is if they are leasing them in the first place.
MEA owns its six A321s and is not selling them.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4104 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6718 times:
Quoting TKfan (Reply 3): Are you sure about 3 A321 leaving TKs fleet?? Out of one presentation from TK its is written that only 1 A321 will leave.
Definitely not sure.. with TK nothing is for sure until it happens.
One day they extend the 737-400 leases for another 6 years to make them "20 year leased planes", the next day they decide to replace them with 737-700s.
3 x 321s leases were up early 2009 and were supposed to be sent back, but that was then. Who knows now?
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6682 times:
I am sure they want to use these planes for long routes where there is a demand for C class. DXB comes to mind. I think they may even downgrade the India service to A321s , who knows.
But I have to agree with the original poster, all these airplanes with different configurations will be an operational nightmare. Right now THY has :
- A321s with different config. (3 different kinds, with the new one a 4th kind)
- B738s with hard C seats and B738s with 'Euro C' seats and AnadoluJet ones.
- A343s with two different classes. (Ex Air Jamaica birds are different than the original ones ordered by THY)
You are right, as it is said in Turkey, with Turkish Airlines, her an hersey olabilir
Looked up the newest presentation on page 11, only one A321 will leave the fleet.
I dont mind Turkish Airlines pick Planes everywhere when the market condition is in their favor. If the leasing rates of the 737-400 where very low, and it was said they were low, than it is ok if they extend. If its now of their benefit to swap with 737-700 I am happy with that too.
FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6612 times:
Perhaps they are CN 3637 (Ex VT-KRA) , CN 3673 (Ex VT-KRB) , CN 3688 ( Ex VT-KRC) , CN 3717 ( Ex VT-KRE).All for Kingfisher , and all not yet delivered.
Gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1096 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6565 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 1): It is still strange to pick up different frames with different configs, just because they are on sale.
Just when TK was about to be consistent with its product (now that all ordered 320/321/738s arrived), with the arrival of 777-300ERs and now these AVOD/dedicated business seated 321s, it is falling into that same position again.
Quoting Bahadir (Reply 8): I am sure they want to use these planes for long routes where there is a demand for C class. DXB comes to mind. I think they may even downgrade the India service to A321s , who knows.
But I have to agree with the original poster, all these airplanes with different configurations will be an operational nightmare. Right now THY has :
- A321s with different config. (3 different kinds, with the new one a 4th kind)
- B738s with hard C seats and B738s with 'Euro C' seats and AnadoluJet ones.
- A343s with two different classes. (Ex Air Jamaica birds are different than the original ones ordered by THY)
I am sure i am missing some..
I couldn't agree with you guys more, I might come off like I criticize TK so much, but they do it to themselves. If TK wants to be a major player in this world, it needs to become consistent. I'm not saying have one config across the fleet, obviously different markets and ac types should have different configurations, but to have 8+ configuration is absurd, cost a ton to maintain, and pisses people who expect one and gets the other, and TK is famous for swapping equipment.
As for where these frames are coming from; I'm gonna guess IT also, Mr. Prime minister just went to India, now TK is taking leases from troubled Indian carriers. TK bailout for Indian carriers(though I love the fact that they are getting the 773W's from 9W)
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4104 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6538 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 10): Perhaps they are CN 3637 (Ex VT-KRA) , CN 3673 (Ex VT-KRB) , CN 3688 ( Ex VT-KRC) , CN 3717 ( Ex VT-KRE).All for Kingfisher , and all not yet delivered.
It would be big surprise if you dont pop up with a critic to TK, hence I miss your monthly Turkish Airlines bashing
You are all right if you criticize TK for their inconsistency, but you agree, TK cant serve i.e. ATH and DXB or ALA with the same A/C.
It is true, that one who expects a A332 and find a A320 on its flight will be dissapointed, but thats the case now, and I dont think theres a difference of the current situation.
So on the IST-LHR sector for example, you never know if you get a A320, A330, A321 or even a B738. This caos seems not to harm Turkish Airlines Paxnumbers, and if the product gets improved with those beauties, why not; seems to be an interim solution like the 77Ws.
Gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1096 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6442 times:
Quoting TKfan (Reply 13): It would be big surprise if you dont pop up with a critic to TK, hence I miss your monthly Turkish Airlines bashing Big grin
and when I posted that I knew you'd be the first one to come to TK's defense I honestly think you don't look at the TK situation without bias, but TK fans here(I'm one too btw)
Quoting TKfan (Reply 13): You are all right if you criticize TK for their inconsistency, but you agree, TK cant serve i.e. ATH and DXB or ALA with the same A/C.
Please re-read my post and you will see that I'm clearly not suggesting that.
I can and will write a detailed aircraft configuration by type, and will group destinations into segments. Then you'll see why TK doesn't need 1 type with 4 configurations.
For Example: The n/b aircraft that serves domestic and trips under 1.5 hours can be 1 configuration.
Have a second n/b configuration for E.U- Russia etc, with better J product. How difficult is that? Obviously its more complicated than that, but my point is you don't need THIS MANY configurations at TK. Now you please explain how is it ok to have this many configurations as opposed to having less.
THEENGINEER From Germany, joined Mar 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6225 times:
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 14): Please re-read my post and you will see that I'm clearly not suggesting that.
I can and will write a detailed aircraft configuration by type, and will group destinations into segments. Then you'll see why TK doesn't need 1 type with 4 configurations.
For Example: The n/b aircraft that serves domestic and trips under 1.5 hours can be 1 configuration.
Have a second n/b configuration for E.U- Russia etc, with better J product. How difficult is that? Obviously its more complicated than that, but my point is you don't need THIS MANY configurations at TK. Now you please explain how is it ok to have this many configurations as opposed to having less.
I completely agree. That is nonsense. THY is not the only airline having to serve different destinations with the same configuration. Its all about the service and the product provided. I think THY should take it slow. They should rather work on other issues.
Gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1096 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6185 times:
Quoting 413X3 (Reply 18): Can someone explain how all other airlines seem to be contracting and hurting but not Turkish?
Because they have very strong market share in a market that air-travel is growing very fast. Geographically IST is at a great spot, and last but not least having millions of Turks living in other countries(mostly EU) don't hurt either. You can add many more to this, also the Turkish air travel market was very under-served about 6-8 years ago so "they built it people came"
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4104 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6164 times:
Quoting 413X3 (Reply 18): Can someone explain how all other airlines seem to be contracting and hurting but not Turkish?
I'll add this number to the mix. According to the TK's CEO, this year 28 out of 100 TK pax are transfers at IST. That is a 43% increase from a year before. TK started to get a lot of Business travelers and IST is becoming a transfer point.
TKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6121 times:
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 14): Quoting TKfan (Reply 13):
It would be big surprise if you dont pop up with a critic to TK, hence I miss your monthly Turkish Airlines bashing Big grin
and when I posted that I knew you'd be the first one to come to TK's defense I honestly think you don't look at the TK situation without bias, but TK fans here(I'm one too btw)
Though we are a kind of symbiosis?? the one bashing the other praising TK??? But both to the benefits of TK?
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 14): Quoting TKfan (Reply 13):
You are all right if you criticize TK for their inconsistency, but you agree, TK cant serve i.e. ATH and DXB or ALA with the same A/C.
Please re-read my post and you will see that I'm clearly not suggesting that.
I read your post two times, as english is not my first language, and I think I ll got what you want to say, and in most cases I agree to your opinion.
Its like the half-full water glass, I prefer to talk about the full part, you talk about the empty half, but both of us are aware of the other part.
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 14): I can and will write a detailed aircraft configuration by type, and will group destinations into segments. Then you'll see why TK doesn't need 1 type with 4 configurations.
Guess what?? I wanted to do the same, but I have to admit, I always wanted a different A/C for different missions, i.e. a B737-900ER for 4h+ routes
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4104 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4855 times:
Quoting Nethkt (Reply 23): Can someone confirm this please?
My latest info shows JII is the last one upgraded, and JIH is next,
and ex JM planes are still in old config.
Maybe someone in IST can confirm this also.
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