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What Do Operating Certificates Encompass?  
User currently offlineAirtechy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 500 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 1431 times:

All this discussion about the combining of Delta and Northwest's operating certificates has got me wondering what an operating certificate encompasses and what is involved in combining the two. I would assume it includes the aircraft flight manuals and aircraft repair procedures, but what else....training procedures...accounting?

Jim

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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1378 times:



Quoting Airtechy (Thread starter):
All this discussion about the combining of Delta and Northwest's operating certificates has got me wondering what an operating certificate encompasses and what is involved in combining the two. I would assume it includes the aircraft flight manuals and aircraft repair procedures, but what else....training procedures...accounting?

Basically, everything that relates to meeting their part of the FAR's. So maintenance, training (flight crew, ground crew, & maintenance), operations, ETOPS, technical recordkeeping, etc.

Business-only things like accounting would not be included, I suspect.

Tom.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

The following link is information for applying for a new certificate, but it provides a list of the areas roughly included in the DL/NW combination activities.

http://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_i...ata_collection/media/applicant.pdf

If you want more detailed info, I suggest perusing 14 CFR Part 121.



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User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

14 CFR Part 121 can be found here:

http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_121.html

Have fun.  Smile



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User currently offlineAirtechy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

I would assume that both Delta and Northwest met all requirements of the FAR's or the FAA would have grounded them. Therefore, I would further assume that what is happening is that the paperwork, manuals, etc. that prove how they meet the FAR's are being reviewed, combined, and differing methods of compliance are merged into a single method for review by the FAA.

After looking though the applicant.pdf, I can see how this would take a year even if you had two applications to start with that each already met the requirements.  eyepopping 

It seems likely that meeting the requirements is not piecemeal and is likely to involve iterations with the FAA also. I'm sure that getting this done must be at or near the top of the new managements to do list. A lot depends on it.

Jim


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1331 times:



Quoting Airtechy (Reply 4):
I would assume that both Delta and Northwest met all requirements of the FAR's or the FAA would have grounded them. Therefore, I would further assume that what is happening is that the paperwork, manuals, etc. that prove how they meet the FAR's are being reviewed, combined, and differing methods of compliance are merged into a single method for review by the FAA.

After looking though the applicant.pdf, I can see how this would take a year even if you had two applications to start with that each already met the requirements. eyepopping

It seems likely that meeting the requirements is not piecemeal and is likely to involve iterations with the FAA also. I'm sure that getting this done must be at or near the top of the new managements to do list. A lot depends on it.

You are correct with this. DL management has probably already decided what they are keeping between the two airlines and then its a matter getting the FAA to agree and then the work at converting the other half over (be it NW or DL as applicable). In the Maintenance, Engineering and Operations Departments, this is their TOP priority right now.

This process will easily take a year and I would bet it taking two. A new airline application takes many years alone and this is somewhat less involved than a completely new application.



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