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What Airline? (L-049 Constellation)  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

At least I think it's an L-049-- it says Fresno 1962, but it says TWA, so who knows--

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2158/2145163471_64ccdfce3e.jpg?v=0

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Looks like Eastern.....


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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

They never had L-049s, did they?

User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

That flag there looks like TWA, but that's the only resemblance I can find.

Quoting Timz (Reply 2):
They never had L-049s, did they?

No, just Super Connies



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3024 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3886 times:
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Quoting Timz (Reply 2):
They never had L-049s, did they?

Actually they did, leased from TWA... but they never showed up in that (the later golden falcon) scheme
Im my opinion the pic isnt a 049... looks like a 1049, those look like square windows and 4 windows on the forward lower deck, which fits with a high capacity L1049 config... probably an L1049H, of which EA had 5, and they never had tip tanks.

It's not a L1049C or G from EA, they never got the 4th window... could also be the single mysterious E (N1005E) that i've never seen a piccy of.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 3):
That flag there looks like TWA, but that's the only resemblance I can find.

It's not TWA; note the lack of the TWA logo near the front of the nose.

I think I may have the answer, Paradise Airlines:


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The location of the flag in both photos match up, and the way the belly colors flow match as well. It's am ex-AF and ex-TWA L-049, which explains the flag location, plus the similarity the the TWA livery of the time (at least when looking at it in black and white).

[Edited 2008-12-19 17:29:52]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25356 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 4):
looks like a 1049, those look like square windows and 4 windows on the forward lower deck, which fits with a high capacity L1049 config

It's hard to tell whether the windows are round or rectangular (they weren't square on the 1049 but rectangular...the length was longer than the height). But the cockpit windows look more like the 049/649/749, and some early Constellation models had extra windows added in the forward fuselage when they changed to higher-density seating layouts.

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 3):
Quoting Timz (Reply 2):

They never had L-049s, did they?


No, just Super Connies

That's not correct. EA did operate Connies, including 049s leased from TWA. 649s and 749s, in addition to several models of the L1049 Super Connie. One of the early Connies below.


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List of all Connies and Super Connies operated by Eastern:

N86502 49 2023 11/57 04/58 LF TWA
N86514 49 2041 11/57 04/58 LF TWA
N86516 49 2043 12/56 05/57 LF TWA
N86526 49 2084 12/56 05/57 LF TWA also LF TWA 12/57-04/58
N86536 49 1979 12/57 04/58 LF TWA
N90815 49 2077 12/56 05/57 LF TWA
N90818 49 2080 11/57 04/58 LF TWA
N90926 49 2064 01/57 05/57 LF TWA
N9410H 49 2073 12/56 04/58 LF TWA
N9414H 49 2075 12/56 05/57 LF TWA
N101A 649 2518 101 10/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N102A 649 2519 102 05/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N103A 649 2520 103 05/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N104A 649 2521 104 05/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N105A 649 2522 105 05/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N106A 649 2523 106 06/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N107A 649 2524 107 06/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N108A 649 2529 108 07/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N109A 649 2530 109 07/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N110A 649 2531 110 07/47 01/03/60 cvtd to 749A: WFU after landing accident at Philadelphia, PA
N111A 649 2532 111 07/47 01/21/48 WO Boston, MA
N112A 649 2533 112 07/47 12/21/55 WO Jacksonville, FL
N113A 649 2534 113 07/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N114A 649 2535 114 08/47 01/61 cvtd to 749A
N115A 749 2610 115 02/49 01/61
N116A 749 2611 116 02/49 08/60
N117A 749 2614 117 09/49 /61
N118A 749 2615 118 10/49 03/09/60 WFU after landing accident at LaGuardia airport, NY
N119A 749 2616 119 11/49 10/19/53 WO Idlewild, NY
N120A 749 2617 120 11/49 01/04/60 WFU after landing accident at Washington D.C.
N121A 749 2618 121 04/49 /60
N1005C 1049E 4557 01/57 06/57
N1006C 1049H 4802 01/57 06/57
N1007C 1049H 4805 01/57 06/57
N1008C 1049H 4806 01/57 06/57
N1009C 1049H 4807 02/57 05/57
N1010C 1049H 4808 02/57 /57
N6201C 1049 4001 201 03/52 07/67
N6202C 1049 4002 202 04/52 02/68
N6203C 1049 4003 203 11/51 02/68
N6204C 1049 4004 204 12/51 05/67
N6205C 1049 4005 205 12/51 01/68
N6206C 1049 4006 206 12/51 01/68
N6207C 1049 4007 207 01/52 02/68
N6208C 1049 4008 208 01/52 02/67
N6209C 1049 4009 209 01/52 02/67
N6210C 1049 4010 210 02/52 12/67
N6211C 1049 4011 211 02/52 02/68
N6212C 1049 4012 212 02/52 06/28/57 WO in collision with EA DC-7B N808D at Miami, FL
N6213C 1049 4013 213 02/52 02/68 LT PA 06/55- /
N6214C 1049 4014 214 03/52 09/06/53 WO McChord AFB, WA
N6215C 1049C 4523 215 11/53 08/67
N6216C 1049C 4524 216 11/53 12/67
N6217C 1049C 4525 217 11/53 12/67
N6218C 1049C 4526 218 11/53 12/04/65 crash landed after collision with TWA 707 N748TW over New Salem, NY
N6219C 1049C 4527 219 11/53 11/66
N6220C 1049C 4528 220;251 12/53 08/03/61 cvtd to freighter 04/60; destroyed by fire at Idlewild, NY
N6221C 1049C 4529 221 12/53 08/67
N6222C 1049C 4530 222;256 12/53 01/66 cvtd to freighter 07/63
N6223C 1049C 4531 223 12/53 01/68
N6224C 1049C 4532 224 01/54 02/68
N6225C 1049C 4533 225;252 01/54 04/66 cvtd to freighter 05/60
N6226C 1049C 4534 226;253 01/54 02/67 cvtd to freighter 04/60
N6227C 1049C 4535 227;254 02/54 /68 cvtd to freighter 04/60
N6228C 1049C 4536 228;255 02/54 05/60 cvtd to freighter 05/60
N6229C 1049C 4537 229 02/54 01/68
N6230C 1049C 4538 230 02/54 01/67
N6231G 1049G 4653 231 10/56 01/68
N6232G 1049G 4655 232 09/56 02/68
N6233G 1049G 4657 233 10/56 01/68
N6234G 1049G 4659 234 10/56 02/68
N6235G 1049G 4660 235 10/56 11/67
N6236G 1049G 4661 236 10/56 02/68
N6237G 1049G 4662 237 11/56 01/68
N6238G 1049G 4663 238 11/56 02/68
N6239G 1049G 4664 239 11/56 02/68
N6240G 1049G 4665 240 11/56 01/67

[Edited 2008-12-19 17:44:34]

[Edited 2008-12-19 17:51:29]

[Edited 2008-12-19 17:52:45]

User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3024 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3795 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
It's hard to tell whether the windows are round or rectangular (they weren't square on the 1049 but rectangular...the length was longer than the height). But the cockpit windows look more like the 049/649/749, and some early Constellation models had extra windows added in the forward fuselage when they changed to higher-density seating layouts.

EAs never had the extra windows. They finished out with 2 on the left. The 049s were only around a short time and they had the TWA window config unaltered throughout.

point is moot anyways, SRBmod found it:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
I think I may have the answer, Paradise Airlines:

Its a match, at least in my eyes. Plus i have a hard time reconciling the location with EA, EA didn't fly out to the West coast with Connies... strictly an East of the Rockies airline in the prop era... if that is actually Fresno anyways.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

Another objection to the Eastern theory-- those TWA 049s probably never got radar.

Paradise looks good, all right; the Air-Britain book has a pic of the same aircraft in the same scheme as a Nevada Airmotive demonstrator-- whatever that means.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

The rest of the guy's pics are worth a look-- he says the JL CV880 is at Fresno too.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/81918828@N00/sets/72157603574695409/

And a P-61 borate bomber!

[Edited 2008-12-19 18:53:23]

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