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18 Years Later..DOT Approves Baltia Airlines  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22053 posts, RR: 51
Posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

After trying since 1990 to get an air carrier certificate, Baltia Air Lines Inc was finally rewarded this week when the DOT issued an order finding the company was is fit, willing, and able to engage in foreign scheduled air transportation and should be issued a certificate of public convenience authorizing such operations.

Per Baltia's most recent plans, it hopes to commence JFK - St. Petersburg Russia service utilizing a leased B747-300 in a 3-class 320 seat configuration with up to 5 weekly frequencies.

Now lets see how long it takes them to actualy operate a flight.  scratchchin 


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4681 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

No matter if and when this venture takes off, I predict it will not be around 18 years from now.


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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Talk about persistence. Not sure I'd want to be starting such a venture in this environment though.


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User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3856 times:



Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 2):
Talk about persistence. Not sure I'd want to be starting such a venture in this environment though.

Yes but lease rates are probly really low... leasors are probly on there kness's trying to upsell there fleets, especially older aircraft like the B747-300...

Why dont this airline opt for the B747-400 instead? Theres enough available on the market...

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8264 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3821 times:
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Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 2):
Talk about persistence

- I thought they gave up on this years ago, amazing!

Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 2):
Not sure I'd want to be starting such a venture in this environment though

- It's possible the best time to start, if you can start up and survive in this enviroment, your doing pretty good!


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22053 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Baltia's proposed schedule commencing "next year's peak travel season" with one round trip flight per week.

JFK-LED
Flt#101 1600-0830+1 Fridays

LED-JFK
Flt#102 1100-1230 Sundays


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3305 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Baltia's proposed schedule commencing "next year's peak travel season" with one round trip flight per week.

JFK-LED
Flt#101 1600-0830+1 Fridays

LED-JFK
Flt#102 1100-1230 Sundays

Are the days incorrect or do they really plan on parking an aircraft at JFK for almost a week between flights?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22053 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Yes that is their proposed initial schedule. They plan eventually to be up to 5x weekly at some point.


Remember.... it took them 18 years to get this far -- so don't hold your breath expecting too much too fast from these guys.


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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1780 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3222 times:



Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 3):
Why dont this airline opt for the B747-400 instead? Theres enough available on the market...

Agreed, plus its more economical so would save on fuel costs. This would surely offset the higher price of leasing the -400 over the -300.


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User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

With the funding they have they will be lucky to get FAA certification. I wish them that luck.

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2742 times:



Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 3):
Why dont this airline opt for the B747-400 instead? Theres enough available on the market...

Probly because 18 years ago when they filed with the DOT the 744 was still new on the market and were much more expensive to lease/own than a 743.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22053 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2345 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 10):
Probly because 18 years ago when they filed with the DOT the 744 was still new on the market and were much more expensive to lease/own than a 743.

Back then they were proposing 747-100s.

However at the end of the day with the low relative utilization planned and ownership cost I'd still say the 747-300 would come out ahead of a 747-400s.


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