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CO Flight 1404 Off Runway At DEN  
User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 57340 times:

"A plane crashed at Denver International Airport and is on fire, Denver fire officials confirm. Stay tuned to CBS4 for more information."

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User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 57463 times:

http://cbs4denver.com/

Someone I know's mother was on it and she is apparently going to the hospital... but should be okay. They are waiting on more details


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 57370 times:

Hearing Continental is the airline involved.


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 57330 times:

Yeah she was on a Contintental plane.

User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 57351 times:



Quote:
The flight was Continental Airlines flight 1404 and apparently left from Houston and was arriving in Denver.

from the CBS Denver station.

-m

 airplane 


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 57288 times:

Also heard DEN will be closed...


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 57204 times:

Hope all is well, seems to happen every winter.  Sad


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User currently offlinePremoBrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 57214 times:

It is CO 1404 operating DEN-IAH. The status on continental.com says delayed due to maintenance...


Now You're Flying Smart.
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 57228 times:

Flightaware shows CO 1404 DEN-IAH. OIS shows Aircraft emergency as reason for a groundstop....

Just stating facts so far.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 57203 times:

105 pax/ 5 crew...no serious injuries thus far.


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 567 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56927 times:

Only inbound COA flight around 6:20PM is a B735 from EWR, COA728. Flight 1404 departs about an hour later to IAH.

User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56863 times:

Not a good day for Continental....earlier a plane hit a snowbank and now this. Hopefully there are no serious injuries!

[Edited 2008-12-20 18:27:14]


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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56722 times:

According to 9 News:
"According to Julie King, a spokeswoman with Continental Airlines, flight 1404 from Denver to Houston was trying to take off but instead it "exited the runway." "

Sounds like a rejected take off if this is true. We'll find out what happens tomorrow.


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56653 times:

LOL. Yes, I am here in DEN and heard the "we interrupt this programming....." TV announcement with this news. The way the anchorman was speaking as though he was going to announce a crash with the deaths of hundreds of people. Obviously not so.

Actually it was a sunny, beautiful day today. Until you step outside and realize it may be sunny, yet it's 10 degrees.

Anyway, it seems a stretch to call this a "crash."


User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56576 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 12):
Sounds like a rejected take off if this is true. We'll find out what happens tomorrow.

I'd guess the same. Weather doesn't seem too bad there, other option is sliding off during taxi, although I don't know if that would cause enough damage for a fire/minor injuries.


User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56481 times:



Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 13):
LOL. Yes, I am here in DEN and heard the "we interrupt this programming....." TV announcement with this news. The way the anchorman was speaking as though he was going to announce a crash with the deaths of hundreds of people. Obviously not so.

Actually it was a sunny, beautiful day today. Until you step outside and realize it may be sunny, yet it's 10 degrees.

Anyway, it seems a stretch to call this a "crash."

I hope you're right, but this was just breaking news here in Seattle, so hopefully it is not serious.



Heia Norge!
User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56393 times:

I am hearing that it was on rwy 34R and that DEN is just starting back up and that there were not deaths and only minor injuries, early reports say that the wingtip hit the end of the rwy and also hearing rumours of the plane possibility catching on fire but the plane was evacuated on the runway
Source: My dad working at DEN during a UA briefing

[Edited 2008-12-20 18:39:03]


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User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56270 times:

From what I'm hearing: B735 as CO 1404 on 34R, was a fire but was quickly extinguished by ARFF crew. Paxs evac'd via slides. No word on injuries yet.


DingDong, honey, please answer the doorbell!
User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3602 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56256 times:



Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 13):
Anyway, it seems a stretch to call this a "crash."

Too early to say either way. Any time an airplane "exits the runway" on a rejected takeoff, it is serious. And that's apparently according to CO themselves.

Whether there are any injuries or worse is still TBD, but a plane off the runway is not a good situation.



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56273 times:

Word now is flight was taking off at DEN and appartenly didnt get off or went up and came back down...went off the end of runway. More details later......natch.
safe



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User currently offlineArffguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56155 times:



Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 7):
The status on continental.com says delayed due to maintenance...

Now it says "Airport conditions preventing departure"

It's cool that Continental.com shows the aircraft fleet number. I like that.



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User currently offlineKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 56139 times:

Local DEN CBS is interviewing the Asst. Chief of the Fire Dept and he is stating no fatalities, possibly 36 injuries and everyone was evacuated before the fire. He mentioned fire on the right hand side of the aircraft and in the interior.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 55572 times:

Looks like all three runways on the west side of the airport are all closed...

12/557 (A6518/08) - RWY 16L/34R CLSD. 21 DEC 02:23 2008 UNTIL UFN. CREATED: 21 DEC 02:23 2008


12/556 (A6517/08) - RWY 16R/34L CLSD. 21 DEC 02:20 2008 UNTIL UFN. CREATED: 21 DEC 02:20 2008


12/555 (A6516/08) - RWY 7/25 CLSD. 21 DEC 02:17 2008 UNTIL UFN. CREATED: 21 DEC 02:18 2008


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 55025 times:

I just noticed on the FAA delay map there is a disabled a/c at LAX. Anyone no more about that?
http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp



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User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 54976 times:

The only video from the scene is from a distance, would expect additional video available closer to 1000p Mountain -

http://mfile.akamai.com/25243/live/reflector:35112.asx?bkup=35194

Craig
MKE



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25 RonmacIAH : KUSA (Channel 9 Denver) also has a live stream feed but the link must be down as I can't pull it up (http://www.9news.com/). Let's hope for continued
26 Post contains links and images UnitedTristar : Here she is on a better day, ship 611 View Large View MediumPhoto © Brian Bartlett -m
27 PROSA : Latest reports say 26 people taken to hospitals. It's possible that some of the injuries were during the evacuation.
28 Vivavegas : Here the time line I just received: 12/20 8:12 pm DIA U/D: Triage complete, 36pts transported and now busing the ambulatory sounds like airport will b
29 N83SF : Does that mean there are two separate incidents or am I just reading the time line wrong?
30 UnitedTristar : perhaps they had departed...and returned to the field with a fire...it sounds like that might be the case? -m
31 Vivavegas : The incident information is updated as the event develops. This is a single event. Craig MKE
32 UAL747 : Why haven't any of the major news agencies, CNN/FOX/MSNBC had any info on this? Absolutely no coverage here in Oklahoma. UAL
33 Super80DFW : All CNN is talking about is Caylee Anthony. I haven't even seen anything on the ticker.
34 Post contains links N104UA : There were 105 Passengers and 5 Crew http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/20/colorado.plane.fire/index.html It is now showing that there were 107 Pax and 5 C
35 Post contains links FLYjoe : I saw a little 'breaking news' at the 1030 ET on CNN saying a CO plane has gone off the runway, but not much more than that. Nothing else from the oth
36 Post contains links Vivavegas : They are feeding some video back from the scene for the top of the hour news FOX 31 - http://mfile.akamai.com/25243/live/reflector:35112.asx?bkup=3519
37 Okie : Weekend, or pre holiday weekend, or pre holiday Christmas party weekend or pre Christmas shopping weekend, I suspect all you are going to find is a s
38 Post contains links JFKTOWERFAN : Live news conference: http://media.myfoxcolorado.com/live/index.html
39 Spacecadet : Do these channels actually cover news anymore? They seem to have pulled an MTV and forgotten what their mandate is of late. All I ever see on any of
40 Sh0rtybr0wn : They are saying "Fire went into the cabin".. I hope there aren't too many badly burned pax.
41 DingDong : METAR amendment about 15 mins after the incident: SPECI KDEN 210134Z 29024G32KT 10SM FEW040 SCT100 M04/M18 A2998 RMK AO2 PK WND 28036/0123 Peak wind w
42 N83SF : News said Pilot and Copilot were injured
43 DingDong : Reply 21 suggests all pax and crew made it out before the fire got inside. So far no word on burn injuries for what it's worth. Heard injuries are mo
44 N83SF : I am listening to the fire chief on the news and he says there are numerous cracks and a burn hole from the fire. Sounds like a write off.
45 DingDong : Yeah, said cracks in wings and fuselage. Ouch. No known smoke-related injuries at this time according to asst fire chief. 34R clear of snow and ice a
46 Flyinryan99 : During the press conference, the spokeswoman said the airplane was off of the runway at taxiway WC which appears only 3,000ft down the runway. One pas
47 Post contains links StasisLAX : MSNBC / NBC News is reporting 38 people injured. Here's an article that was just updated 3 minutes ago: Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28330517/
48 Bakersdozen : I wonder if a tire blew prior to rotate, maybe with a combination of ice. Just a thought on my part.
49 Post contains images UnitedTristar : darn, only 14 years young, she was delivered directly from Boeing to CO on 6/14/94 -m   [Edited 2008-12-20 20:18:01]
50 DingDong : Don't know about the tire but airport officials said the runway was clear of snow and ice at the time.
51 N104UA : DIA spokeswoman said that the rwy was clear of snow and ice
52 SJC4Me : Sure it could. I've seen 737's rotate before leaving the displaced threshold at SJC and it's only 2,500ft. Granted there were probably more people on
53 Flyinryan99 : Like I said, I've never seen the performance specs of the 735 so I wouldn't know. Just seems to me it's kind of short for DEN even though it may be c
54 Post contains links RonmacIAH : Live stream up and running now from KUSA Denver - blue screen appears during commercials. http://www.9news.com/video/player_live.aspx
55 Post contains links DingDong : Hmm, a pax said something interesting. Source: http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=106325&catid=339 Quote - fair use excerpt: "It sounded l
56 NASCARAirforce : Ran out of runway? Aren't the runways at DEN all around 15,000 ft for the hot and high conditions in the summer?
57 Super80DFW : Only one runway is that close. The other runways are about 10,000 feet I believe. The runway the CO plane is/was on, 34R, is a 2 mile long runway.
58 DingDong : Yup, a pretty good-sized runway; 34R being 12,000 feet. From the description so far, doesn't sound like the aircraft 'ran out of runway' in the usual
59 Boston92 : All runways are 12,000 x 150 except for 34L/16R at 16,000 x 200.
60 757223 : The runway in question was 12,000 feet long. With the exception of 16R/34L (16,000 feet long), all of the other KDEN runways are 12,000 feet long.
61 Homer71 : 16L/34R is 12,000 feet
62 N104UA : New News Conf is just starting, Fire chief says all slides deployed and all 4 fire stations on the field went to the scene and one person listed as se
63 Post contains links DingDong : I hope he meant that all the slides that were activated did deployed, rather than all 6 slides were deployed. Why? Because according to paxs, the fir
64 Klwright69 : In my post I was not specific enough. It was sunny all day here in Denver. It was very, very, very cold however. Therefore the weather was fine. Hones
65 Super80DFW : It was the first story on the 10:00pm news here in DFW. Also, I'm beginning to see some reports about it on the big news networks.
66 Copter808 : The reason it might appear to be two incidents is because the dispatcher's comments are in reverse order--the newest at the top. Also, remarks are usu
67 Mir : Maybe at sea level you could get a lightly loaded 737 off the runway in 2,500 feet, but at DEN, I have a very hard time seeing it. -Mir
68 SJC4Me : Good point. I forgot that one little nugget of info.
69 Post contains links RDUDDJI : WRAL, a CBS affiliate in Raleigh (and a highly respected CBS outlet at that) has it as their No 2 story. They too mention the "melted" right side of t
70 757223 : With winds predominantly out of the WNW, were either of the East-West runways being used for takeoffs/landings? Here is the Wx from flightaware.com: 2
71 Jbernie : If nothing else is happening...... I can remember CNN going with extended live coverage of the Uhaul truck carrying the votes in FL for the 2000 pres
72 Hiflyer : Just went thru was is online out of Denver on the various news sites....looks like the aircraft ended up off the runway to the right into a ravine typ
73 ADent : You must be from the tropics if you thought today deserved three very's. At 7pm it was 23 deg F and 18 mph winds. At 8pm it was 24F and 28mph. One st
74 COFreqFlyer : I was on CO498 which departed DEN about 4 hours prior to CO1404 today. The winds at that time were fairly strong out of WNW to NNW. The runways and ta
75 Flyingfox27 : Very scary! Iam glad no one got killed and hope the injured passengers get better soon.
76 Post contains links DingDong : Looks like 115 people were on that flight instead of the previously reported 112: http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/news/flight1404.aspx Th
77 DingDong : Please allow me to clarify: As a parent, I am immensely thrilled the babies survived. There is nothing worse than being in an accident with your own
78 Post contains links LHRspotter : This is the latest news release from Continental with the updated pax count as mentioned above: Continental Airlines Responds to Flight 1404 Accident
79 HowSwedeitis : Very good news to hear that there are no fatalities. One of the PAX stated that the plane got airborne 40 feet, then came crashing down? Did the pilot
80 Flyglobal : of topic: 14 years 'yong?' At this age airlines in other parts of the world have planes scheduled for replacment already. regards Flyglobal
81 Scramjetter : KDEN field elevation is 5431ft so the density altitude works out to be 4389ft at those temps and that air pressure.
82 Starlionblue : Let's not be too dramatic. 14 years is not old for an aircraft if properly maintained.
83 Idlewild : I'm going to play armchair investigator and say that it sounds like the flaps weren't set correctly if at all. This seems to be the usual case when yo
84 Nautilusgr : Did you notice that you have mentioned four independent possible reasons in two sentences?
85 LHRspotter : If the plane became airborne briefly as reported, then the scenario becomes very similar to the Spanair 5022 crash in Madrid in August. The flap sett
86 Windy95 : Word is they had 30 knot crosswinds. The lack of setting the flaps to the proper position
87 LHRspotter : I meant that the Spanair MD82 fault was with the system that sets the flaps and the crew (which thought all was set) didn't get a take-off config war
88 Okie : But, you just do not hear about this problem except with with MD's or aircraft that use hyd. actuators instead of jack-screws on the flaps. I have al
89 TDubJFK : Where are the photographs?
90 Windy95 : They never set the flaps or checked the flap indication for the flaps. If the warning did not go off the probability of them having pulled the C/B fo
91 Etops1 : someone got any pics?
92 N83SF : Has anybody thought of a blown tire? This explains the debris on the runway, the reason it veered off to one side, and possibly why the passenger thou
93 Post contains links Pliersinsight : http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11281378 This Denver Post article has a blurry cellphone pic and a photo of someone they allege to be a mem
94 Post contains links PSU.DTW.SCE : KUSA is currently streaming video from their helicoptor now that they have daylight. http://www.9news.com/ The aircraft is literally down in a ravine
95 Par13del : Watching the CBS and ABC affiliates now that the sun is up, hoping to see better pics of the airport, so far only long distance video shots. Stations
96 Post contains images Wolbo : " target=_blank>http://www.9news.com/ Love the audio stream of the female journalist who is babbling away with someone and doesn't have a clue she is
97 AA777LVR : To the CO Family, Our thoughts and prayers for speedy recovery to your passengers and crew involved in 1404. This is a tough, competitive business...b
98 Wolbo : BTW isn't it strange and potentially dangerous that aircraft are landing so close next to the strikken Continental?
99 Lnglive1011yyz : it LOOKS like to me, from the live stream on 9news.com, that the plane has winglets... since when did 735's have winglets? Also, all reports were poin
100 VgnAtl747 : While I personally am not a fan of speculating on the cause of an incident, I do believe we should give credit to the crew for getting everyone out of
101 ChiGB1973 : " target=_blank>http://www.9news.com/ They're getting some good shots now, apparently over the wreckage at 10,000. M
102 Wolbo : The fuselage is almost completely cracked. 100% write-off.
103 Spacepope : Definitely a 735 with winglets. One of the maingears is to the front and right of the wreckage. #1 engine in front of the left wingtip, fuselage broke
104 JetJeanes : The gear appears up, the number 1 engine is ripped from the plane and lying out beside the plane, the fuselage is cracked open toward the rear on top
105 Super80DFW : It was confirmed by the CO CEO that the aircraft was a 735. It is a 735 w/winglets.
106 RL757PVD : holy $shit the plane looks a lot worse that I was expecting, I think there were a lot of lucky people last night. Sounds like ARFF did a good job with
107 Cptspeaking : How about a combination of all the above? Seeing that video, and mind you this is all speculation, my thought is it could be improper flap setting whi
108 InnocuousFox : I'm going to jump into the betting pool here, folks... He's on one of the 34s, the wind is 290 with gusts into the 30s and 40s... from his LEFT. He we
109 UnitedTristar : They are equipping a lot of their 735's with winglets now. -m
110 JetJeanes : With the engine ripped off the way it is im suprised the plane did not explode as much metal to metal there was
111 Spacepope : Except the video this morning clearly shows the tracks of the aircraft exiting the left side of the runway... Small building a bit further to the lef
112 Post contains links N83SF : From the pictures it looks like the slats on the front of the wing are down---indicating flaps down which makes me think it wasn't a problem with the
113 LGA777 : A few coments to add, many of CO's 735's and 733's now have winglets. The loss of the gear probably eased the evacuation as the aircraft was very low
114 Hiflyer : After watching the live video feed for a bit I am even more amazed no deaths. The angels were riding the jumpseat on this one. Ok...used 34R and exite
115 ChiGB1973 : It's my understanding, at least on the 738, when the overwing exits are opened, the flaps spring down to allow somewhat of a slide from the wing. I'm
116 Windy95 : Your understanding is wrong. There is no such operation
117 Lincoln : Don't foget the crew's quick evac. Anyway, glad to hear that the outcome was relatively good for the passengers & crew involved and best wishes to th
118 Boeingdotcom : FlightGlobal: "Serious Fire Damage" Well guys, that bird won't be flying anymore... Didn't CO want to get rid of 737Classic? My hopes for the Family t
119 Post contains links and images ZANL188 : From the NTSB press release... "At 6:18 p.m., Mountain Standard Time, Continental Airlines flight 1404, a Boeing 737-500 (N18611), suffered an acciden
120 Mir : The slides are there, they're just not attached to the doors. The ARFF people probably took them off. Not in 2,500 feet. -Mir
121 ZANL188 : I don't think you can go by the flap config you see in the video. I'm no 737 pilot but my understanding is that part of evacuation checklist for the
122 Skoker : You're probably thinking of the "quick open" feature of the 737NG. The overwing hatches swing up and stay attached to the fuselage as opposed to earl
123 Mir : I'm not saying you're wrong, since I don't know either. But it would seem to me that having flaps moving on the wing as people are trying to get out
124 COFreqFlyer : Based on information which has been semi-confirmed through several sources, it *seems* that the port engine departed the airframe *prior* to the airc
125 Post contains links DIA : http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=106332&catid=339 Edited for wrong a/c info. Darn.[Edited 2008-12-21 09:47:00]
126 Post contains links Hiflyer : #1 is sitting just ahead of the port wingtip....no debris trail to it....that's amazing that it ended up there if it left the wing back uptrack....wo
127 Post contains links and images Jogales : Nope, it's a -500. CO has winglets on some of their -500s. View Large View MediumPhoto © Ben Wang
128 Idarado2001 : Is it possible that the snow covered ground reduced the severity of the accident, i.e. lowered the friction from the plane across the ground?
129 ChiGB1973 : Maybe so? We trained on the 753 also, maybe it's the one that automatically deploys the flaps, to prevent the slide from being punctured or to make i
130 Windy95 : That is for normal oprations on an evac when the gear and engines are still attached and hydraulic power still available to the crew.... Not so in th
131 DIA : My oversight. My mistake. Guess I leaned something today! There I go jumping to conlusions!
132 Mir : HMMMMMMMMM......... That would certainly explain why it veered. But having engines randomly fall off of airplanes is not good. At all. So I hope that
133 Windy95 : No opening the emergency escape hatch just initiates the off wing slide deployment. Not the flaps
134 Windy95 : That would be awfully lucky to have it fall off on takeoff roll and have it end up where it did.
135 Cptspeaking : Agreed...all I'd heard was that it was 2000 from the end, not the departure end. So I'm gonna modify the first part of my theory...engine failure bel
136 Post contains links Mariner : I think it is the shoddiest journalism that (at the time of writing this) the Denver Post is using a photo of a Frontier tail with the headline: http:
137 N104UA : it is showing the ambulance not the F9 tail as the main focus
138 Mariner : The Frontier tail is large within the photo (nearly half of it) and is the only aircraft in the photo. If they want to show the ambulance - crop the
139 ChiGB1973 : Hmm, my mistake then. Maybe it's just part of procedure and I thought it was an automated function. Thanks. M
140 Hiflyer : The non and less injured pax were brought to Concourse A from the scene per the press conferences with DIA officals. Since the accident occured at ni
141 Mariner : A file photo with an ambulance in it - gee, that's a lucky find. It remains shoddy journalism. At least the Rocky Mountain News has a photo of the ac
142 Klwright69 : Obviously this plane is a write-off.. LOL. I am in the foothills. Much colder here than in the city..LOL
143 ZANL188 : 1. They have an evacuation checklist specifically to ensure things get done and in the proper order. 2. Unless the situation is extremely dire (yet t
144 Hiflyer : just thinking....... Seats breaking loose and crushing pax, flames visible out the right side, pax yelling the aircraft is on fire and to get out afte
145 Klwright69 : Right now it is 12 degrees... That is quite cold, and yes, I am from DEN. But sorry for getting off topic.. Now they say two people had serious injuri
146 CBPhoto : In the heat of the moment, I seriously doubt the pilot would know how high they where when they slammed down, much less the pax! You know, I thought
147 Baw716 : Has this been confirmed as a RTO? This seems to be a lot of damage for a simple runway excursion (understanding that runway excursions are NEVER simpl
148 F9Animal : I looked at the pics, and I have to say with the damage to the area where the engine was located, I would have to say that the engine appears to have
149 AndrewUber : Exactly. An engine departing a wing - especially at takeoff power - is NOT going to end up six feet away from the pylon, way off the runway in a ravi
150 Hiflyer : You are an airline employee....you are therefore not normal for a plethora of reasons.... grin!!!! (takes one to know one....hehehe....oh well...) I
151 UAL747 : The aircraft departed the runway swerving to the right. It doesn't make sense that the left engine would depart the wing at full power on the runway a
152 CBPhoto : Ok, but please tell me this, how is it possible for the engine to rip off the wing of the plane, and yet still end up at the crash scene? If it rippe
153 Hiflyer : uhhh...I know original reports early last night said the ac went off to the right but all the video and descriptions today seems to show that it went
154 CBPhoto : Yeah..I know, just trying to prove a point on how an aircraft could veer in the opposite direction of the engine falling off the pylon! What is the p
155 DocLightning : It's a hull loss, it would seem. There was a fire that gutted the plane. Casualties do not define a crash. Everyone seems to have gotten out in the n
156 L1011Lover : 14 years is nothing for a modern airliner. All major carriers throughout the world have planes that age, or even older... You definitely can't compar
157 Airtechy : If you look at some of the news helicopter footage, it would appear that he left the runway after about a 2000ft roll depending on where he commenced
158 Spacecadet : My thoughts exactly. There's no way you can look at the pics and hear the stories from the passengers and say this was not a crash. It was. I think s
159 727forever : If you receive a gust from the left the wind will push against the biggest flat object on the airplane that it can find. In this case it is the verti
160 DingDong : The B737 is designed to continue to fly even with an engine failure right at Vr (assuming aircraft is controllable -- no cut hydraulic lines or damag
161 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : CO 1404 is not a B-737-500. It is a B-737-800 with winglets. Here is a picture of it from Fox News. http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,6051,00.h
162 PC12Fan : Looks too short to be an -800, more probable it's a -700 as there is only one over wing exit open. Edit: Does Continental have any -300 w/ winglets? L
163 ZANL188 : NTSB has already confirmed it's a -500 and its tail #... see reply 119 FAA database confirms... it's a -500 Boom
164 Alitalia744 : Sorry bud, but CO1404 was operated with a 737-500. CO began installing winglets on some of the 737-500 fleet. It's confirmed by the airline.
165 PC12Fan : I stand corrected.
166 Nwarooster : " target=_blank>http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,...l#1_0 N18611, the destroyed aircraft, is a Boeing 737-524 with winglets installed.
167 Post contains links Hiflyer : excerpt from just published WSJ article..... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122984038314824361.html An aborted takeoff followed by a braking problem
168 Post contains links Scramjetter : This picture shows a ground scar suggesting the port engine was with the airplane up until maybe the last 100ft of travel: http://www.9news.com/9slid
169 Bcoz : Although I fly a decent amount and love aviation, I've never worked in the industry. My degree is in journalism...not engineering, meteorology, mathem
170 F9Animal : No argument there. That is exactly what I was trying to say actually. The engine appears to have ripped off the wing due to the terrain likely catchi
171 CBPhoto : Yeah, when you put it like that, I guess it makes a lot of sense! I fly a Beech 1900, and 30kts is not that much to us, but I forget we have a lot le
172 F9Animal : No problem buddy! I was half awake when typing it out! I am just glad everyone made it out alive. This could have been much worse. I was actually not
173 Wjcandee : Two thousand feet down a clear 12,000-foot runway probably doesn't require standing on the brakes to get you stopped in an RTO. I'm not sure where the
174 Comorin : For a wintertime pax, should they hang on to coats and not remove shoes until after a plane is airborne? Or is the probability of mishap so small that
175 InnocuousFox : They probably were... but they aren't going to limit themselves to only the 2 E/W runways when they have 4 other perfectly good slabs of concrete lay
176 Windy95 : Aircraft 611 is a 500. We do have winglets on them.
177 Patches : Is this considered a NG Next generation plane, and if so how many NG's have crashed?
178 Post contains links AT777 : http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Denver...0/b691588a64ef4251b634520a19414073 This shows some pretty good pictures. There is one that shows it a couple hu
179 EI A330-200 : Just to remind you all, CO does NOT have an MX base in DEN. CO had major operation at the old DEN-Stapleton, but CO do not do major MX at DEN-DIA! CO
180 Starlionblue : Not really dangerous. If you think about it, pilots don't often miss the runway. No. The 737-500 is a "Classic". - 737-100/200 - "Original" - 737-300
181 Post contains links RL757PVD : Wow... http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Denver...0/15d9daf316e341668734a6ee413da9f2 is that building one of the ARFf stations? If so... 1) they were luck
182 AAmd11 : No. The -500 is considered a 'classic' The -600 was the NG version of the -500.
183 Airtechy : I have never understood people who remove their shoes before being airborne. Would you want to struggle off a burning airplane in your socks? I figure
184 Starlionblue : Actually the 600/700/800/900 are "the NG version".
185 Windy95 : MCO is also a maintenance base. Orlando, Houston (Hobby and IAH) and Newark are heavy Maintenance stations. The rest are line stations. Including LAX
186 Comorin : you're 100% right and it's good advice. But remember the millions of pax in the tropics, not to mention FAs, who wear sandals or flip-flops (without
187 Post contains links and images GimliGlider : Shameless self plug here, there isn't a ticker item yet and I'm not really sure how a-net operates on this. I didn't get a ticker for my Lynx Q400 sho
188 Post contains links Hiflyer : pic here shows the skid marks quite well....looks like on gear till wc then utility road took gear out and slid on turbines. Looks like it anway...gri
189 CBPhoto : Didnt know that! Curious though, what goes on in the continental hanger then? Also, I regularly see Maintenance tugging planes away from the gates la
190 SaabFA71 : This incident was almost too similar to another accident involving a Continental aircraft in Denver. Back in 1987 a DC-9 flipped over, broke apart and
191 474218 : There is a good chance Continental has not even paid it off after only 14 years. And you think I am going to sit there and wait for the crew to go th
192 PDXCessna206 : Exactly what he said.
193 Brick : The Continental Airlines hanger is leased to and used by Frontier Airlines.
194 Post contains links Pliersinsight : [quote=Hiflyer,reply=188]pic here shows the skid marks quite well....looks like on gear till wc then utility road took gear out and slid on turbines.
195 Manfredj : Most definitely a write off then from the looks of this photo. Wind shear sounds like it may have played a roll in this one. I can't believe the crac
196 Brick : Channel 9 (CBS affiliate) in Denver showed the right side of the aircraft after the Broncos embrassment this evening. I haven't seen any right side ph
197 Mir : Not much. An airliner has enough power to get itself out of most sticky situations, except for some big windshear. But I doubt they were anywhere nea
198 ZANL188 : Yes. To do otherwise is to panic. If you panic in a situation like this you could easily open an exit that you shouldn't, run into an operating engin
199 Wjcandee : Which means that this accident was in no way "similar" to the 1987 incident.
200 F9Animal : It looks like the service road by the fire station snapped the gears. One has to wonder if they had missed that road, it likely would not have been s
201 Tbanger : What...and get sucked into the engine that is still screaming at T/O power? I'll take my chances and let the experts run the checklist then tell me t
202 Tbanger : ...sorry guys...I typed too slow and got beaten again. Well said anyway ZANL188
203 Bcoz : Just curious... What would the crosswind limits be on the 735? The traffic flow situation makes perfect sense to me. I see it all the time at a varie
204 Hiflyer : Believe the broadcast media in the market believe they have run at least the News out of business if not the Post as well. That improves their ad rev
205 Ual747 : It looks as though that hill/bump behind the service road took the wheels out, and possibly pushed the aircraft up in the air like a ramp and skate b
206 VgnAtl747 : QFT! The crew is trained to handle those situations. Opening the wrong exit could easily increase the risk or worsen the situation. You should always
207 Mir : I can't speak to the 735 specifically, but generally the limits for airliners are in the 35 knot vicinity. -Mir
208 Argonaut : Nope! Similarly, the survivor in me always keeps the really important things, like passport and wallet, etc., physically on my person at all times (y
209 HowSwedeitis : Good point. I didn't think about that! 4 feet can magically turn in to 40! -HSII
210 CARST : Not 100% sure, but i think normal operating limit is a crosswind component of 25 kts. Found this sometime ago at a google search:
211 Airtechy : ...to quote a line from an old movie, "when the rising water reaches my lower lip, I'm going to do something". I don't think any reasonable person is
212 LGA777 : Looking at the photo in Reply 194 it looks like the passengers where able to walk to the fire station, a lucky break with the cold conditions. I think
213 Dinker225 : Not too much farther to the left and it looks like they would have wiped out the fire station too. Very fortunate it ended the way it did. Dinker
214 DiscoverCSG : I've never experienced anything worse than a diversion to CRP because of IAH thunderstorms... On short haul, I usually keep my shoes on, and remove t
215 Airtechy : Looking at the pics...and the fact that the fuselage seems to have split aft of the wing, would anyone care to speculate how a composite airplane woul
216 Klwright69 : I have been out all day and have just returned to see that I have been justly flamed. I first posted to this thread last night when I heard about the
217 CARST : Sorry to say that, but i think in reality most people ask for the exit row to have more leg room and don't care about the emergency exit. I'm not say
218 Klwright69 : Spot on...And one of the engines is detached. They said the landing gear was sheared off as well. I also saw the same 9 news footage. The aircraft is
219 Comorin : Not to drift OT but as we wait for further news from the NTSB, may I ask if there are any rules for FA footwear? I remember AI's cabin crew wearing op
220 Post contains links and images 474218 : The 301 poor souls on board this aircraft waited while the crew went through the checklist. View Large View MediumPhoto © Leigh Kitto
221 Slider : And landing you walk away from, as they say. Personally, escaping a plane crash, no matter the magnitude, even with some injuries would definitely be
222 FlyVail : Just heard on DEN news channel (Fox 31) that the a/c was delayed at the gate for an engine MX issue. Can anyone confirm or is this just another case o
223 Post contains links SirOmega : I didn't see this posted yet... http://twitter.com/2drinksbehind From someone supposedly in the crash.
224 Post contains links HB-IWC : Please continue the discussion of this issue in the following second installment: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/425
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