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Chances Of USAirways Moving To OneWorld?  
User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2285 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5632 times:

With the DL/NW merger official, and CO/UA getting cozier in the near future if not merging themselves in the next couple years, where does this leave US and AA? US would seem to be the odd man out in the Star Alliance, AA is the lone carrier in the U.S. for OneWorld. What are the chances that US could jump shift and join forces with AA in OneWorld? AA's and US's route maps are pretty compliementary and they could provide mutual benefit. Perhaps AA could hand over its dwindling STL hub to US so they could develop a midwest hub that they lack. Maybe US could even take part in the AA/BA/IB joint venture. Seems if this would happen then all major legacies would be on a more level playing field. Thoughts?

[Edited 2008-12-20 21:19:18]

[Edited 2008-12-20 21:20:43]

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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1692 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

I would hate to see AA in the same alliance with US. US should just stay in Star, or leave and not go to any other alliance.


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32734 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5576 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 1):
I would hate to see AA in the same alliance with US. US should just stay in Star, or leave and not go to any other alliance.

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It will be a sad day if US joins oneWorld.



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User currently offlineMysterzip From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

I don't see a difference between economy products of American or US Airways. I think they're quite similar.

And on another topic, when I think of oneworld, I think of a three class intercontinental service and US Airways doesn't offer that. Even though American doesn't have first class on all of its flights, it's still a three class airline (intercontinental and coast-to-coast).


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5420 times:



Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 3):
And on another topic, when I think of oneworld, I think of a three class intercontinental service and US Airways doesn't offer that.

I seem to recall that being a prerequisite back in the day but not sure. Of course, even BA don't offer First class on all their routes. Furthermore, with the addition of airlines like MALEV, Finnair, Royal Jordanian, Iberia, et al which only offer two classes fleetwide. So, the two-class service on US wouldn't be a hindrance to entry in oneworld.

While I'm inclined to agree that service intercontinentally isn't up to par with other OW airlines, intracontinental service isn't really much worse than AA. At least nothing that would require major changes to US to bring them at least up to AA's level.

LH423



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

While I would love to see US at Oneworld JUST for the benefit of having another airline as an option to fly and still collect miles since AS does not fly to STL, we only have AA to fly from.. I must disagree with this statement...

Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 3):

I don't see a difference between economy products of American or US Airways. I think they're quite similar.

There is a world of difference between the two economy cabins.

One being headwings on each seat (Except 757/A300)
One of seat pitch.
Service is much better, for one thing, everything is free on AA except Alcohol and BOB, US it is not free.
As for aircrafts this is simply ones personal choice, but I enjoy riding the MD80 and such more than I would an Airbus at US but this is not a right/wrong thing.

Alex



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8339 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5044 times:
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United, Continetal and USairways have little overlap and compliment each other in the USA and Most of the world. United is strong to Asia, Continental to Europe and Latin America & Usairways in the southeastern USA and CLT/PHL to Europe.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5069 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

I for one believe that US and AA, seeing the changes in the domestic landscape with the CO/UA tie-up, and the DL/NW merger (+ their closer relationship w/AS), are at least considering it. If CO can change alliances, why not US?

It would certainly level the playing field domestically among the "legacies".



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

I think US remains in Star Alliance, and the only way they get out is if a merger happens between them and AA, or if the new DL wants them to be a new partner in skyteam (which I don't see it happening).


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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4962 times:



Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 3):
I don't see a difference between economy products of American or US Airways. I think they're quite similar.



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 5):
There is a world of difference between the two economy cabins.

I used to fly AA, and just gave them up for CO, my first CO flight is today lets see if there is a difference. As far as AA and US goes, not a big difference. The pay for soda and the headrests doesn't make for a world of difference, though it does make for some difference. However they both have depressing economy service on domestic flights.



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7136 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

Do you US carriers really want another US carrier in an allance, as noted earlier, AA is the only US carrier in One World, some how I think they like it that way, I know they cannot on their own prevent an additional carriers joining, just asking a question.

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Yes, I do suspect if CO and UA get even closer - and perhaps do merge, US will drop out of Star like CO dropped out of SkyTeam. AA may, out of some sort of necessity, form a strategic alliance (or merger) with US and either way bring it into OneWorld.

To put it another way - if we have super giant DL (after taking over NW) and super giant UA (after being taken over by CO), it's a lot harder for smaller US and even AA to compete as effectively.

That - and since UA and CO are leaving them out of the party, they may start to question the benefits of the alliance.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

I can't see US going to oneworld, they seem to fit in perfectly with Star Alliance. They might not be the greatest airline but i just don't see them in OneWorld. Their brand and everything just seems to fit in to Star Alliance, If anything I could see them working more closely with UA/CO. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if US was absorbed by UA but it probably won't be for a while.

btw who does UA, CO, and US have an ATI with? Could we see an ATI with LH/UA/CO/US? something along those lines the way DL/NW/AF/KLM and AA/IB/BA


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4313 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
United, Continetal and USairways have little overlap and compliment each other in the USA and Most of the world. United is strong to Asia, Continental to Europe and Latin America & Usairways in the southeastern USA and CLT/PHL to Europe.

I think a better, though perhaps unlikely, outcome would be a UA/CO purchase of US, with it's assets split between the two. If UA and CO are not going to merge at this time, it might make more sense to digest the acquisition/assimilation of US, get that out of the way, and then be ready for the eventual UA+CO merger.

CO would probably do well with DCA, CLT, and PHX, while UA would probably enjoy LGA, BOS, and perhaps PHL. It's all just idle pondering at this point, and there is obviously more than simple hub alignment to consider. I just think that a three-way domestic alliance creates a lot of product differentiation, and simplifying this by eliminating the arguably least desirable component might not be a bad idea.

-Dave



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4240 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 12):
btw who does UA, CO, and US have an ATI with?

I don't think US has ATI with anyone actually, and I believe CO just has ATI with CM at this point. UA is part of the ATI part of star which includes UA, AC, OS, LX, NZ, BM, LH, TP, LO and SK. CO is applying to join the ATI part of Star.



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User currently offlineBagpipes From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 83 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

That would leave Airside F in TPA mostly oneworld with Cayman and Westjet Being the only 2 airlines not in One World and they are rare visitors to TPA anyways.

Bagpipes

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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3841 times:



Quoting CIDflyer (Thread starter):
Perhaps AA could hand over its dwindling STL hub to US so they could develop a midwest hub that they lack.

ORD and DFW do the job as centrally located hubs, i'm sure what STL would bring more to their network.
US has (had?) PIT as midwest hub as well.



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User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3376 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 16):
ORD and DFW do the job as centrally located hubs, i'm sure what STL would bring more to their network.
US has (had?) PIT as midwest hub as well.

PIT was a hub. But really, unnecessary with regional jets flying 2 hour routes, being that PHL is just on the other side of the state.

US really doesn't have too much ops in the midwest.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

Doug Parker has said in employee memos that the agreement with Continental to join Star Alliance only solidifies USAirways position in Star Alliance, and they will not be going anywhere.

The one interesting thing about the One World thought is back in the Stephen Wolf days, BA and US were very close codesharing partners, and this was before anything that BA had with AA.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2285 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3073 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 18):
The one interesting thing about the One World thought is back in the Stephen Wolf days, BA and US were very close codesharing partners, and this was before anything that BA had with AA.

I remember this. Didn't BA also have service to CLT and PIT back in those days as well?


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3002 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 14):

I don't think US has ATI with anyone actually, and I believe CO just has ATI with CM at this point. UA is part of the ATI part of star which includes UA, AC, OS, LX, NZ, BM, LH, TP, LO and SK. CO is applying to join the ATI part of Star.

Does CO really have ATI with CM? CO had invested into CM but has sold those shares back to CM.

As for the "Star" ATI, I'm not sure the rest of the airlines are included? I thought it was only for AC, CO, LH, and UA.

As for US, do they benefit for being a part of Star?



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User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2773 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 20):
As for US, do they benefit for being a part of Star?

Yes they do. They codeshare with Air China, Shanghai A., and a good amount of the member airlines. Also, they seem to be pretty vital to United domestically. They depend on US especially on the East Coast imo.

Also, if UA had not put up a bid to buy US, US wouldn't be part of Star. Anywhere UA goes, US goes.



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User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

DL will be the product of NW DL, if the UA CO merger happens, it'd be either UA or CO as a product. US is the product of HP and US, so technically, they're ahead of the game

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2374 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 18):
The one interesting thing about the One World thought is back in the Stephen Wolf days, BA and US were very close codesharing partners, and this was before anything that BA had with AA.

Yes, and that's one major reason why US has not been interested in anything involving AA since 1996. They sued BA for that alliance agreement.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 19):
I remember this. Didn't BA also have service to CLT and PIT back in those days as well?

Yes, CLT was pulled in 2000, and PIT was discontinued in 1999, long after the end of the BA/US codeshare relationship. That ended on March 31, 1997.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32734 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2359 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 23):
Yes, CLT was pulled in 2000, and PIT was discontinued in 1999, long after the end of the BA/US codeshare relationship. That ended on March 31, 1997.

CLT lasted until around 2003 or so, but it became routed CLT-BWI-LHR.



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25 USPIT10L : Thanks. I stopped getting BA timetables around that time period.
26 Elmothehobo : This would be real interesting. American and USAirways used to have a frequent flyer alliance, around the time Delta and United had their own alliance
27 USPIT10L : It was discontinued in February 2001.
28 United1 : AC, CO, LH, and UA are planning a Joint Venture (called A++ ( the existing UA/LH JV is called Atlantic Plus)) (ie revenue sharing corordinated schedu
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