LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4326 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13521 times:
Quoting SA7700 (Thread starter): British Airways apparently has been threatened by the Nigerian Government that its flights between LHR-LOS would be grounded if the carrier did not abide by it approved flight schedule.
Am I missing something here? According to the BA timetable the flight must arrive at LOS at 21:05. Also none of the airlines from Europe have flights arriving at LOS before 17:00. Thus when he says "All international flights should arrive in Nigeria at the latest 17:00 for the comfort and safety of air travellers." I wonder if knows that none of the European flights arrive before 17:00. Or is he also going to ban AF,AZ, LH, KL and TK?
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3116 posts, RR: 26 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13392 times:
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It is time for the Nigerian Government to wake up and smell the roses. Maybe they should start funneling oil money towards security and safety for all Nigerians, as well as business people and tourists (if any) pumping money into that country. Airlines fly to Nigeria in order to turn a profit – the Nigerian Government has to realise that it can’t have its cake and eat it too... wishful thinking?
[Edited 2008-12-21 04:36:53]
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CityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13184 times:
Ah, Nigeria - always an interesting place to fly to.
I wonder if there is more to the story than meets the eye .... the article does highlight the very real dangers of travelling between the airport and Lagos itself .... armed robberies are unfortunately a danger; but there is nothing new in this, and foreign & Nigerian travellers have been aware of it for years.
If the Nigerian government believes flying into LOS after 1700 puts BA passengers in danger, then it has seemingly forgotten to order an amendment to the return flight's departure time from LOS, which is much later than 1700 - and that's before we look at other carriers' schedules.
Not really sure whether we are getting the whole picture here .... perhaps the article itself is inaccurate?
My LOS flight on the 05th Jan arrives into LOS at 1755 local .... let's hope BA don't get kicked out!
ENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13089 times:
This is a measure of the new minister of aviation who believes he can gain popularity by taking action against 'arrogant European airlines'... The ministers of aviation are continually harassing BA, VS/VK and KL!
He forgets that it's the same te government that fails to provide infrastructure and security for the (Nigerian) people and enterprises.
RussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7296 posts, RR: 23 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12990 times:
It seems BA is prepared to entertain this nonsense, but I have to say that if push came to shove I can't see the Nigerian Government grounding the service and jeopardising important economic traffic and complicating the travel abilities of Nigerians to the UK still further. They might try it on for a while, but they would soon back off when the effects of any extreme action started to be felt.
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CityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12759 times:
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 8): BA probably did something to irritate someone in that murky mess of a government.
There was an incident earlier in the year where a Nigerian deportee was removed from a BA flight bound for LOS . Many of the remaining passengers didn't agree with this decision and some allegedly began to behave in a threatening manner towards the cabin crew. As a result, the Captain decided to remove a large number of the passengers from the flight (about 136).
After this, the deportee was brought back on board the aircraft, and the flight left for LOS.
The incident may or may not be completely unrelated to the above.
There is a Facebook petition calling for all Nigerians to boycott the airline.
The following article provides a brief outline of the incident (scrolling down will allow you to view the original article, after the one at the top) .
ElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1524 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11900 times:
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 10): Maybe if Ba pulls out of nigeria they may rethink their ways of thinking, It could not be that profitable of a run for Ba.
I don't have the numbers, but Nigeria is a cashcow. Oil business, VFR connections and the fact that every Nigerian politician and businessman has a residence in the UK, France or Switzerland means that there is a consistent flow of Premium traffic between Nigeria and Europe.
Add to the fact that the only way to get from North America to Nigeria was via Europe until very recently (save North American Airlines' service) meant that all traffic to Nigeria had to go through Europe.
Speedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 855 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11667 times:
There have been other examples of the Nigerian government's less favourable attitude towards BA. A couple years ago, BA ran double daily on some days of the week with a night departure from LHR, this was suddenly revoked without warning by the Nigerian government and meant that many passengers suffered disruption as a result. There was no reason given for this, but it happened around the time of Virgin Nigeria starting operations and that decision seemed to favour Virgin Nigeria.
BA's service to LOS has many challenges. The first is the number and size of bags that passengers bring. Then after check in, many passengers proceed to do lots of shopping which can often mean that there are issues with trying to store hand baggage on the flight and leads to delays. There is also the problem of getting many of the passengers to the gate in a timely manner.
BA flies to both LOS and ABV and there is a marked difference in the 2 flights with the ABV departure being somewhat easier to get away on time.
RussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7296 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11118 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 15): What's that all about? The Robert Mugabe school of civil aviation policy or something?
Sounds about right.
I am aware of the legitimate security concerns that exist in terms of travelling to and from the airport in LOS, but if Nigeria really wanted to deal with that then maybe they could just focus on improving safety and reducing crime? Just a thought. I wonder if it occurred to them.
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BA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8352 posts, RR: 55 Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11011 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 17): am aware of the legitimate security concerns that exist in terms of travelling to and from the airport in LOS, but if Nigeria really wanted to deal with that then maybe they could just focus on improving safety and reducing crime? Just a thought. I wonder if it occurred to them.
- I doubt it, we are talking about one of the most corrupt nations on the planet. I think it shows how profitable Nigerian operations are, otherwise nobody would bother with the red tape and the 'alledged' bribes that have to be paid.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6852 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10762 times:
What strikes me the most is the number of airlines with post 1700 arrivals (way after 1700). Maybe each airline will get their own article or the government will give them all the boot. But hey, in this situation, if they want to play hardball, I suspect Nigeria will be the ultimate looser.
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Irrespective of what you may want to think, or indeed what the real story may be as we're only hearing one side of it, BA have no option but to "entertain this nonsense" unless they want to discontinue the route. But, as we hear ad nauseum on a.net, 'BA are a business, not a charity', and we all know they will accede to anything if it means money for them irrespective of anything else.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12948 posts, RR: 79 Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10239 times:
Quoting AirNZ (Reply 22): and we all know they will accede to anything if it means money for them irrespective of anything else.
Ah, here you are.
Reckon that's true of safety generally then?
Am I being unfair, putting words in your mouth? Best not talk in absolutes then.
'We all know', no, you think you know, from a stance that would not look out of place in the pages of the Daily Mail , big difference.
Saudi was a very lucrative route, so why did we leave it for a very considerable period of time then?
I mean, a money grabbing bunch of bastards like us, surely we'd not care?