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Nigeria Threatens To Ground BA Flights  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 14058 times:
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British Airways apparently has been threatened by the Nigerian Government that its flights between LHR-LOS would be grounded if the carrier did not abide by it approved flight schedule.

BA flights could be grounded


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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 13987 times:



Quoting SA7700 (Thread starter):
British Airways apparently has been threatened by the Nigerian Government that its flights between LHR-LOS would be grounded if the carrier did not abide by it approved flight schedule.

Am I missing something here? According to the BA timetable the flight must arrive at LOS at 21:05. Also none of the airlines from Europe have flights arriving at LOS before 17:00. Thus when he says "All international flights should arrive in Nigeria at the latest 17:00 for the comfort and safety of air travellers." I wonder if knows that none of the European flights arrive before 17:00. Or is he also going to ban AF,AZ, LH, KL and TK?


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 13979 times:

Nothing to do with corruption?




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User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1544 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 13896 times:

I am sure if Willie Walsh provides the Minster with BA's bank account number, sort code and his mothers maiden name, this "mis-understanding" can be resolved.


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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 13858 times:
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It is time for the Nigerian Government to wake up and smell the roses. Maybe they should start funneling oil money towards security and safety for all Nigerians, as well as business people and tourists (if any) pumping money into that country. Airlines fly to Nigeria in order to turn a profit – the Nigerian Government has to realise that it can’t have its cake and eat it too... wishful thinking?  sarcastic 

[Edited 2008-12-21 04:36:53]


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User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 13650 times:

Ah, Nigeria - always an interesting place to fly to. Big grin

I wonder if there is more to the story than meets the eye .... the article does highlight the very real dangers of travelling between the airport and Lagos itself .... armed robberies are unfortunately a danger; but there is nothing new in this, and foreign & Nigerian travellers have been aware of it for years.

If the Nigerian government believes flying into LOS after 1700 puts BA passengers in danger, then it has seemingly forgotten to order an amendment to the return flight's departure time from LOS, which is much later than 1700 - and that's before we look at other carriers' schedules.

Not really sure whether we are getting the whole picture here .... perhaps the article itself is inaccurate?

My LOS flight on the 05th Jan arrives into LOS at 1755 local .... let's hope BA don't get kicked out!


User currently offlineENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 13555 times:

This is a measure of the new minister of aviation who believes he can gain popularity by taking action against 'arrogant European airlines'... The ministers of aviation are continually harassing BA, VS/VK and KL!

He forgets that it's the same te government that fails to provide infrastructure and security for the (Nigerian) people and enterprises.

Shame on Babatunde Omotoba!

BA will reschedule its flights: http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssI...UtilitiesNews/idUSLL38844020081221


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 13456 times:
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It seems BA is prepared to entertain this nonsense, but I have to say that if push came to shove I can't see the Nigerian Government grounding the service and jeopardising important economic traffic and complicating the travel abilities of Nigerians to the UK still further. They might try it on for a while, but they would soon back off when the effects of any extreme action started to be felt.


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13317 times:

BA probably did something to irritate someone in that murky mess of a government.


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User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13225 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 8):
BA probably did something to irritate someone in that murky mess of a government.

There was an incident earlier in the year where a Nigerian deportee was removed from a BA flight bound for LOS . Many of the remaining passengers didn't agree with this decision and some allegedly began to behave in a threatening manner towards the cabin crew. As a result, the Captain decided to remove a large number of the passengers from the flight (about 136).

After this, the deportee was brought back on board the aircraft, and the flight left for LOS.

The incident may or may not be completely unrelated to the above.

There is a Facebook petition calling for all Nigerians to boycott the airline.

The following article provides a brief outline of the incident (scrolling down will allow you to view the original article, after the one at the top) .

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/...-removes-136-nigerians-from-f.html


What I find interesting are the comments expressed by readers at the bottom of the article ....  Wow!

[Edited 2008-12-21 07:33:54]

User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 13054 times:

Maybe if Ba pulls out of nigeria they may rethink their ways of thinking, It could not be that profitable of a run for Ba.


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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 12991 times:
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Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 10):
It could not be that profitable of a run for Ba

It may very well be. SA wants dailies between JNB-LOS-JNB; but is restricted to 4x weekly services, by the bilateral agreement between South Africa and Nigeria.


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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 12751 times:



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 10):
Maybe if Ba pulls out of nigeria they may rethink their ways of thinking, It could not be that profitable of a run for Ba

I think Nigeria is one of the most profitable routes for BA and all other airlines flying there. But the governement has made it a habbit of harrassing BA lately...



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 12366 times:



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 10):
Maybe if Ba pulls out of nigeria they may rethink their ways of thinking, It could not be that profitable of a run for Ba.

I don't have the numbers, but Nigeria is a cashcow. Oil business, VFR connections and the fact that every Nigerian politician and businessman has a residence in the UK, France or Switzerland means that there is a consistent flow of Premium traffic between Nigeria and Europe.

Add to the fact that the only way to get from North America to Nigeria was via Europe until very recently (save North American Airlines' service) meant that all traffic to Nigeria had to go through Europe.


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 12133 times:

There have been other examples of the Nigerian government's less favourable attitude towards BA. A couple years ago, BA ran double daily on some days of the week with a night departure from LHR, this was suddenly revoked without warning by the Nigerian government and meant that many passengers suffered disruption as a result. There was no reason given for this, but it happened around the time of Virgin Nigeria starting operations and that decision seemed to favour Virgin Nigeria.

BA's service to LOS has many challenges. The first is the number and size of bags that passengers bring. Then after check in, many passengers proceed to do lots of shopping which can often mean that there are issues with trying to store hand baggage on the flight and leads to delays. There is also the problem of getting many of the passengers to the gate in a timely manner.

BA flies to both LOS and ABV and there is a marked difference in the 2 flights with the ABV departure being somewhat easier to get away on time.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13213 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

Hell, I'd rather be part of a perceived arrogant European airline than have their civil safety record.

What's that all about? The Robert Mugabe school of civil aviation policy or something?


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11686 times:

KL lands at 19:55
AZ lands at 20:50
IB lands at 21:50
AT lands at 02:55


So are all these airlines going to be banned from Lagos???!!!



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11584 times:
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Quoting GDB (Reply 15):
What's that all about? The Robert Mugabe school of civil aviation policy or something?

Sounds about right.

I am aware of the legitimate security concerns that exist in terms of travelling to and from the airport in LOS, but if Nigeria really wanted to deal with that then maybe they could just focus on improving safety and reducing crime? Just a thought. I wonder if it occurred to them.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8546 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11477 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 17):
am aware of the legitimate security concerns that exist in terms of travelling to and from the airport in LOS, but if Nigeria really wanted to deal with that then maybe they could just focus on improving safety and reducing crime? Just a thought. I wonder if it occurred to them.

- I doubt it, we are talking about one of the most corrupt nations on the planet. I think it shows how profitable Nigerian operations are, otherwise nobody would bother with the red tape and the 'alledged' bribes that have to be paid.



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11426 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 17):
but if Nigeria really wanted to deal with that then maybe they could just focus on improving safety and reducing crime?

I agree 100%

But that would involve reducing the government itself  Silly

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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 11228 times:

What strikes me the most is the number of airlines with post 1700 arrivals (way after 1700). Maybe each airline will get their own article Big grin or the government will give them all the boot. But hey, in this situation, if they want to play hardball, I suspect Nigeria will be the ultimate looser.


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User currently offlineSsublyme From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 11207 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 7):
It seems BA is prepared to entertain this nonsense

I'm not suprised. The profits BA makes on that route is much more than whatever inconvenience to return back to the "original" schedule.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 11062 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 7):
It seems BA is prepared to entertain this nonsense,

Irrespective of what you may want to think, or indeed what the real story may be as we're only hearing one side of it, BA have no option but to "entertain this nonsense" unless they want to discontinue the route. But, as we hear ad nauseum on a.net, 'BA are a business, not a charity', and we all know they will accede to anything if it means money for them irrespective of anything else.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13213 posts, RR: 77
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10705 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 22):
and we all know they will accede to anything if it means money for them irrespective of anything else.


Ah, here you are.
Reckon that's true of safety generally then?
Am I being unfair, putting words in your mouth? Best not talk in absolutes then.

'We all know', no, you think you know, from a stance that would not look out of place in the pages of the Daily Mail , big difference.
Saudi was a very lucrative route, so why did we leave it for a very considerable period of time then?
I mean, a money grabbing bunch of bastards like us, surely we'd not care?


User currently offlineFlitemax From Spain, joined Aug 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10382 times:

I wonder why the stick wasn't wielded in dealing with RAM Royal Air Maroc, who's flights arrive in Lagos at 3:00AM !

Nothing special my friends, just the usual clueless Nigerian aviation minister who makes his debut by chest-beating and nagging, rather than do his job.


25 TJCAB : if this is the norm, then they should have an earlier departure time. Bottom line is that European airlines (especially this former colonial ones) ma
26 Timboflier215 : To be fair, all that BA have had to do is change the arrival time. Is it THAT much of an inconvenience? They may well be being singled out unfairly (
27 FlyDreamliner : Like I said, I think BA must have done something to upset the Nigerian government. Maybe they handled someone important the wrong way, maybe they let
28 Azstar : This is definitely not true. The Nigerian government has always required tickets issued in Nigeria to be purchased in Nigerian currency, and prohibit
29 Ssublyme : The UK govt can always reciprocate. If they are being asked (however forcefully) to revert back to their original arrival time, what's the problem? T
30 YVRLTN : I wonder if it has anything to do with Arik starting LHR?????? If Arik started flying to AMS & MAD maybe KL & IB will get stick too...
31 Theginge : The Lagos route is a massive money spinner for BA. I am sure that if the Nigerian Govenrment stopped BA from flying in to Lagos then Nigerian Aircraf
32 ElmoTheHobo : That's a huge - and often well to do - group of travelers.
33 RIXrat : I remember that back in the 80s it was SOP to peel of $100 for customs and immigration at Lagos if you didn't want to go through a two-hour search of
34 MillwallSean : This has everything to do with Arik Air. Its very clear that the money behind that airline doesnt come from the man that is the front of the company.
35 CHRISBA777ER : I hope BA take this to the Home Office and ask them to "re-evaluate" entry protocol for Nigerian nationals to the UK in light of this anti-BA behaviou
36 Bongodog1964 : Having to move the flight forward 4 hours, brings the departure time from LHR back to 09.40 this then reduces the number of long haul flight transfer
37 AceFreighter : A couple of years ago BA was banned from flying to Nigeria for some months after a similar argument. The UK Government will be supportive in private b
38 Ssublyme : BA tried that in the mid to late 90's , albeit during a military regime. They were banned from Nigerian Airspace for 14months they eventually went ba
39 Scrappy27 : Problems with Nigeria are quite common (seen quite a few over the years as operating crew)...and unfortunately there is alot of corruption.. I too thi
40 Flitemax : Nigeria is no banana republic. Just remember that - If BA pulls out it would be to its own detriment, and to the advantage of the other 8 or so Europ
41 CHRISBA777ER : As stated earlier in this thread - they are trying to force BA to change its times so that Arik benefits. And ok, sure they are no banana republic, b
42 Flying Belgian : Well, the Arik A345 will be CS- (Portugal) registred and operated by HiFly. Hence the permission I assume. As for Bellview, don't ask me how they did
43 Soups : BA75 Lagos flight reschedule Summary British Airways flights from London Heathrow Terminal 5 to Lagos will be rescheduled from 1 January 2009 to impro
44 ChiefT : The Nigerian way! ;-D
45 Sketty222 : But this still means that the flight arrives after 1700 local time. As for the minister of aviation, BA should ban him from flying with them!
46 Speedbird2155 : BA once had a second evening departure ex-LHR (few times a week), but these were suddenly stopped by the Nigerian government without warning.....arou
47 CHRISBA777ER : Makes you wonder just how profitable LOS has to be for BA to continue with this nonsense. It must be one of the biggest cashcows in the network - has
48 KL577 : Indeed. This only confirms that there are several ministries in Abuja which are in dire need of good policy-makers who lay out a vision of further (a
49 Cornish : Very profitable indeed - typical oil route. Yields are high and serves some important corporate contracts. the key corporate clients using the flight
50 ChrisEDDL : What is the problem with Arik Air? Do you know any details about their operations, so that you would be in a position to comment on this?
51 CHRISBA777ER : As a professional airline and shipping business analyst, it is the very fact that I DONT know enough about Arik which leads to me my negative conclus
52 Ssublyme : Reserving judgement would be more appropriate vs. drawing a negative conclusion.
53 ChrisEDDL : Well, the fact that the owner of the airline is not well known outside Nigeria does not mean the airline is based on dubious funding. He is a Nigeria
54 YVRLTN : Well, if your competition is inconvenienced, thats a good start to achieve this. I think what MillwallSean, ChrisBA777ER and I have noted is its a ve
55 LJ : Arik is planning to fly to AMS next Summer..will be interesting... However it looks as if KL is reducing capacity to LOS (shift to 332 instead of 777
56 Ssublyme : There really is no coincidence. BA has had and will probably continue to have their share of run-ins with Nigerian Govt. In any of those cases one co
57 KL577 : KL has frequently changed capacity to LOS over the past couple of years, 777, M11 and 332 have all flown to LOS over the past years. That said the ma
58 MillwallSean : I dont want to write to much but I do recommend that all here read up on the owner of Arik Air. Then you ask how such a small businessman got the res
59 CHRISBA777ER : Chris, I'd be happy to take this onto PM if you prefer, but it will suffice to say at this point that I have written on Arik and I know about the com
60 Flitemax : Everything you said is acknowleged. Country risk is a factor to consider indeed. However, according to Arik' the airline secured foreign bank loans a
61 Point8six : This problem regularly occurs between Nigeria and BA. It has little to do with schedules and more to do with the "present" from BA for the Aviation Mi
62 MillwallSean : Arik is the new "Nigerian factor" mate. Yes and where did the money originally come from? You dont just show up to foreign banks with a great busines
63 DTWAGENT : DL is also serving LOS from JFK. Now I don't know if that is only a summer season thing or not. I wonder what time they arrive? And depart?
64 LJ : Not entirely true. There is a very large Nigerian community in The Netherlands (though not as big as in the UK). Moreover there are many commercial l
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