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AA To Reduce MIA-SSA-REC To 5x Weekly (off Season)  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5527 times:
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AA announced on Friday in Brazil that it's new daily service from Miami to Salvador and Recife, will be reduced during the off-season (April 9 to June 11). Reasons given by AA are that load factor is below expectations and local traffic from SSA/REC isn't good. AA believes the financial crisis is playing an important role on all of this.

The service begin last month and is operated by Boeing 767-300ER with 30C/195Y.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

MIA-CNF will also be reduced to 3w and MIA-GRU, IIRC, to 19w like always during April/May.

Though this was already put in GDS systems a month or so ago.

MIA-REC-SSA-MIA's loadfactors are just where AA was expecting - in the 60's.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5440 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):

MIA-REC-SSA-MIA's loadfactors are just where AA was expecting - in the 60's.

Huh???


Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Reasons given by AA are that load factor is below expectations




The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5441 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):

MIA-REC-SSA-MIA's loadfactors are just where AA was expecting - in the 60's.

Huh???

I understand the contradiction, I'm just saying that the LF's are in the 60's, and they were expecting loads in the 60's, especially with the decision to use 763s.

However, a search of Google News Portugal has a spokesperson saying they were expecting loads in the 70's and the loads are in the 60's; though that is in contradiction to what they had said earlier, so who knows.

It's really not that surprising to see them cut frequency during April and May, and I fully expect they will do the same during September and October, just like how they cut MIA-GRU and MIA-GIG during those periods.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5313 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
MIA-REC-SSA-MIA's loadfactors are just where AA was expecting - in the 60's.

As per Mr. Verçosa, AA director in Brazil, they expected 70%
Sorry, just in portuguese:

"
Quarenta e cinco dias depois do lançamento do vôo direto Recife-Estados Unidos, a American Airlines decidiu reduzir, a partir de abril, a freqüência para cinco vezes por semana. Mesmo depois de dez anos de espera por este vôo, a baixa ocupação é o motivo para redução no número de viagens. " Eperavamos uma ocupação maior, com mais passageiros locais. Sabemos que o país e o mundo foram pegos pela crise financeira", explica Dilson Verçosa, diretor da companhia no Brasil. Ele ressalta que a ocupação em dezembro e janeiro está em torno de 60%, enquanto a expectativa era 70%. A empresa deve retomar a freqüência diária no mês de junho, quando o fluxo de viagens é maior...
"

Given words to numbers, AA expected 70% but the flight is around 60% for Dec and January.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
It's really not that surprising to see them cut frequency during April and May, and I fully expect they will do the same during September and October, just like how they cut MIA-GRU and MIA-GIG during those periods

Allow me to disagree. GRU and GIG got seasonal additional services during peak season. The flight that lose frequencies during peak season is the DFW-GRU. In fact AA will add 5x more frequencies (AA982/AA983) back to DFW-GRU.



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User currently offlineFFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

No surprise here! Why all the blank faces? AA has more issues internally at this point that they would serve themselves well to "get it together" inside before they will EVER be able to promote themselves as the ole reliable AA. Best of Luck!

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5302 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):

Given words to numbers, AA expected 70% but the flight is around 60% for Dec and January.

I understand that, and I read that article, but as I have said repeatedly since before the route started, AA expected loads in the 60's, which is what they are getting. Maybe expectations changed since then, but 60% was always the approximate goal. And even if loads had exceeded expectations, I really would never have been surprised to see AA reduce service on this route during April/May (and September/October) when U.S.-Brazil traffic is slows down. Just look at AA's entire U.S.-Latin America/Caribbean schedule, and they cut a decent amount of capacity every year during April-May and September-October in a variety of markets.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
Allow me to disagree. GRU and GIG got seasonal additional services during peak season. The flight that lose frequencies during peak season is the DFW-GRU. In fact AA will add 5x more frequencies (AA982/AA983) back to DFW-GRU.

MIA-GRU is reduced to 19w during the same period that MIA-SSA-REC-MIA is reduced to 5w.

It will be interesting to see if AA decided to continue their widebody strategy or use 75Ls with the next round of applications.

[Edited 2008-12-21 21:23:37]

[Edited 2008-12-21 21:25:21]


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7616 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5239 times:



Quoting FFlyerWorld (Reply 5):
AA has more issues internally at this point that they would serve themselves well to "get it together" inside before they will EVER be able to promote themselves as the ole reliable AA.

What does that have to do with anything reguarding this thread? This thread isnt about AA's internal relations, its about a reduction of serivce and that isnt that big of a deal. Every airline has done it.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
The flight that lose frequencies during peak season is the DFW-GRU. In fact AA will add 5x more frequencies (AA982/AA983) back to DFW-GRU.

I was surprised to see 982/983 back in the schedule since 963/962 were upgraded to a 777. I have been pleased to see that DFW-GRU has produced some decent F bookings.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5192 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
It will be interesting to see if AA decided to continue their widebody strategy or use 75Ls with the next round of applications.

Have you read about the inauguration toast at GIG's Admirals for the inauguration of the extra GIG-JFK flights? AA's GIG manager expects AA to apply for permanent frequencies.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5191 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 8):
Have you read about the inauguration toast at GIG's Admirals for the inauguration of the extra GIG-JFK flights? AA's GIG manager expects AA to apply for permanent frequencies.

I've heard that might happen.

I think AA will apply for all 14 frequencies. However, I think it is unlikely AA will be awarded JFK-GIG. CO will likely get IAH-GIG, and the other seven frequencies will likely be awarded to markets in the North.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5187 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
and the other seven frequencies will likely be awarded to markets in the North.

But how does the DOT react when it's faced with such light loads like DL is getting on its ATL-MAO? Don't they take that in consideration in new allocation procedures?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5077 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
I understand that, and I read that article, but as I have said repeatedly since before the route started, AA expected loads in the 60's, which is what they are getting. Maybe expectations changed since then, but 60% was always the approximate goal. And even if loads had exceeded expectations, I really would never have been surprised to see AA reduce service on this route during April/May (and September/October) when U.S.-Brazil traffic is slows down. Just look at AA's entire U.S.-Latin America/Caribbean schedule, and they cut a decent amount of capacity every year during April-May and September-October in a variety of markets.

I agree with your comments, and i believe the market will only develop and become stronger when and if visa policy changes. Rio and São Paulo are mature markets, Belo Horizonte has a strong VFR, but none of the other markets (including SSA, FOR, REC and MAO) are so strong in a mix of business + leisure + VFR as RIO, SAO and CNF (This one got a very strong VFR, may be 4x bigger than Rio and 1.5x bigger than Sao Paulo even being lower yield compared to Sao Paulo, with far less business class activity). The only exception would be BSB where government traffic would replace Business.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
I was surprised to see 982/983 back in the schedule since 963/962 were upgraded to a 777. I have been pleased to see that DFW-GRU has produced some decent F bookings.

The fact that AA will return with the second flight may bring the 763 back to AA962/963. But it's early to say.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 8):
Have you read about the inauguration toast at GIG's Admirals for the inauguration of the extra GIG-JFK flights? AA's GIG manager expects AA to apply for permanent frequencies

Does not surprise me at all Coiote. I was at JFK for the first JFK-GIG and the plane was full without any "politic" activity. AA need to improve it's product as the first flight got delayed by technical problems on the 767 (they mention that the reserve plane was also out of service) and the plane was 100% Full with no upgrades. Now i'll be flying on Dec 23 and Jan 02 on such flight (AA977) and both are almost full with around 50% on Business and 90% on Economy.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7616 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5022 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
The fact that AA will return with the second flight may bring the 763 back to AA962/963. But it's early to say.

Why though? That wouldnt make much sense. Theres only a 7 seat difference between the two in Y. The big difference is the F class, which DFW-GRU has needed for a long time and finally got. DFW-GRU is a business route with F demand (alot of which comes from NRT). Putting a 763 on back on it would make no sense if all they need is more Y seats.



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

About CNF.
With DL giving up one frequency and now AA going 5week for low season at REC and SSA, will it remain 4week year round or just for the high season?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4907 times:



Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 13):
About CNF.
With DL giving up one frequency and now AA going 5week for low season at REC and SSA, will it remain 4week year round or just for the high season?

MIA-CNF will be 3w during off-season and 4w during peak season (peak being Nov-Mar / Jun-Aug).



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4893 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
I think AA will apply for all 14 frequencies. However, I think it is unlikely AA will be awarded JFK-GIG. CO will likely get IAH-GIG, and the other seven frequencies will likely be awarded to markets in the North.

Anyone what DL is going to apply for? ATLCNF? I'd assume they'd apply for a sabbatical from their last Brazil awards Wink.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4887 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):

Anyone what DL is going to apply for? ATLCNF? I'd assume they'd apply for a sabbatical from their last Brazil awards

ATLCNF has potential since CNF is large market, but they're better off just removing three weekly flights from ATL-MAO. That way, maybe ATLMAO loads could break 50%.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4872 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Maybe expectations changed since then, but 60% was always the approximate goal. And even if loads had exceeded expectations, I really would never have been surprised to see AA reduce service on this route during April/May (and September/October) when U.S.-Brazil traffic is slows down. Just look at AA's entire U.S.-Latin America/Caribbean schedule, and they cut a decent amount of capacity every year during April-May and September-October in a variety of markets.
This morning AA advised F/A's that they will be cutting capacity next year and are asking some F/A's to take a voluntary leave of absence for at least a year before further action is taken in regards to possible furloughs.

[Edited 2008-12-22 12:55:17]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4860 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
This morning AA advised F/A's that they will be cutting capacity next year and are asking some F/A's to take a voluntary leave of absence for at least a year before further action is taken in regards to possible furloughs.

Nothing new.

They announced capacity cuts a while ago.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4847 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Nothing new.

Yep, it was expected; hopefully the ex TW FA's will be gone for good.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4841 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Nothing new.

Yep, it was expected; hopefully the ex TW FA's will be gone for good.

I believe they are looking to get most of the leaves out of the O'Hare base, but I'm not sure. A few months ago they asked for about ~100 transfers from O'Hare to Miami.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4811 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
I believe they are looking to get most of the leaves out of the O'Hare base, but I'm not sure. A few months ago they asked for about ~100 transfers from O'Hare to Miami.

The ORD F/A's have been in MIA since November, and since many have seniority they are currently flying the European routes, like MIA-MAD, MIA-CDG, etc.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
I believe they are looking to get most of the leaves out of the O'Hare base, but I'm not sure.

It's mostly domestic F/A's that will be affected by today's announcement. Since it is based on seniority, I don't think it matters what base the F/A's are stationed at; but I know that the LGA and SFO bases will see some redundancies. ORD is now a "junior" base though; MIA is very senior at the moment.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

SSA/REC is a perfect candidate to the upgraded AA757. I am sure it will switch to a 757, that might make the route perform better on a daily basis...what a shame!

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4767 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
ATLCNF has potential since CNF is large market, but they're better off just removing three weekly flights from ATL-MAO. That way, maybe ATLMAO loads could break 50%.

At least CNF has the volume, but if your "next best adds" were ATLMAO, ATLREC, and ATLFOR, where does ATLCNF fit relative to that list? Half of the traffic will regardless flow over ATL to MCO/MIA where you're back in JJ/AA territory.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4762 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 23):
SSA/REC is a perfect candidate to the upgraded AA757. I am sure it will switch to a 757, that might make the route perform better on a daily basis...what a shame!

The cargo capabilities of the 763 outweigh the 75Ls better passenger configuration, IMO.

AA doesn't plan on using the 75Ls to anywhere in South America as of now.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
At least CNF has the volume, but if your "next best adds" were ATLMAO, ATLREC, and ATLFOR, where does ATLCNF fit relative to that list? Half of the traffic will regardless flow over ATL to MCO/MIA where you're back in JJ/AA territory.

It will be interesting to see how DL continues to do with FOR once MIA-FOR starts-up on AA and/or TAM. FOR has been holding its own, but lacks MIA service, where most of the traffic flows to.



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25 Hardiwv : It just shows how hard it is to operate flights outside high yielding destinations GRU and to a lesser extend GIG. It is all nice to speak about decen
26 LipeGIG : Agree with you if AA manages a good portion of traffic to Japan (and i have to believe it's not the only one doing this) you might be right but i can
27 WorldTraveler : of course they don't because they don't have enough of them in the fleet and their biggest need is to build enough bulk over the Atlantic to expand t
28 SCL767 : Yes, AA is deploying the 772 to SCL in May; however that flight is operated by the SCL crews, U.S. crews do not work on that flight.
29 LAXdude1023 : Its not. 962/963 carry alot of traffic from Japan, the West Coast, midwest, and Texas itself. They typically have no problems at all filling the prem
30 MAH4546 : Early talk was that AA was planning on splitting markets currently served from ORD - for example MAN would have gone 1x 763 to ORD to 2x 752 from ORD
31 MaverickM11 : Pretty much anyone that flies to Brazil and to Japan connects a healthy number of passengers between the two.
32 WorldTraveler : which is very reasonable given the economy. the commitments to buy the parts for the new interiors undoubtedly can't be reversed but there really isn
33 Miaami : I was curious about this too. All the 757's are sold with 22 seats up front. If they are going to send a reconfigured 757 around the system with only
34 MAH4546 : In reality, though, very few domestic 757 flights actually go out with more than 16 F seats pre-sold; it's just going to make upgrades more difficult
35 WorldTraveler : AA petitioned for an additional frequency only to choose not to use it during the off-peak periods.... and since they can get additional capacity dur
36 MAH4546 : You are confusing peak with high peak. Additional capacity beyond the bilateral is only available during high peak periods, which vary by year but ar
37 WorldTraveler : there is no confusion around the fact that AA has consistently failed to fully use awarded frequencies in restricted S. American access markets only
38 MaverickM11 : Pot, kettle, black. What awards in the last two years has DL used fully? ATLPVG reduced and reduced again. BOG delayed, delayed, and reduced. EZE can
39 AA767400 : This has nothing to do with the topic. Judging by your profile, I am sure you would not say the same about DL. Why do you want them to go? Why would
40 Hardiwv : Thanks for the information. TAM is posting 70% load so far, which is very good. CO also started its IAH-GIG nonstop, but with oil prices nosediving I
41 WorldTraveler : the reality is that carriers of all stripes have reduced service and that is their right to do so... but people on a.net have consistently wanted to r
42 MaverickM11 : Whatever makes you sleep at night. Face it--DL has written the book on applying for authorities it can't handle.
43 LipeGIG : Thanks for sharing. I'll be on todays JFK-GIG AA new service. C is about 45% (14C) but seems to be the same as other flights. AA951 shows 13C with 5C
44 Incitatus : Indeed! It is not that the nonGRU/GIG market is small. The problem is that it is geographically spread and new international flights have to compete
45 LipeGIG : Good point. Also the availability of connections is a key issue. You can't fly from POA to MIA thru SSA because there's no Non Stop service POA-SSA a
46 MAH4546 : Yes, there is confusion. The "shoulder months" add up to a longer period than the peak months. The confusion is with your math.
47 AA767400 : The Crew that day ended up layover for 20hrs, and a MIA flight Crew that was supposed fly that night to MIA got reassigned to JFK instead. The JFK Cr
48 LipeGIG : Thanks, and i agree. With 4 flights some days to GIG they should consider giving some layover for their staff. And as you mentioned, it will cost mor
49 WorldTraveler : but wait.... what is the topic at hand? remember those Colombia frequencies. Last time I checked AA still has a China route which it hasn't even star
50 MaverickM11 : I mentioned those... DL has two now that are delayed, plus one that's been reduced twice. There's really no comparison.
51 Incitatus : Delta on the other hand was only interested in acquiring frequencies they could actually use... Last time I checked AA is flying exactly under its or
52 WorldTraveler : which is why the route applications were changed by both AA and DL. DL is flying what it was awarded. Is AA? And I still have a hard time tellimg me
53 Incitatus : Right now AA is flying more than it was awarded. A fourth weekly frequency to CNF was added for high peak before the DoT awarded it on a permanent ba
54 MAH4546 : WT is also relying on the assumption that these extra frequencies are always available. They aren't. Airlines have to re-request them for every perio
55 OA412 : Both of which were acquired from NW so putting the onus on DL is a bit unfair seeing as they neither applied for, nor announced either service. Besid
56 WorldTraveler : but so is DL. They were awarded 2 LAXGRU frequencies and they didn't even ask for them in the first round! swapping out one ATLMAO frequency in order
57 Incitatus : A good deal is a deal that makes money. For LAX-GRU that is yet TBD and the economic environment that led to its conception does not exist anymore. I
58 WorldTraveler : what any of us believe is our opinion. Wall Street and consumer groups judge carriers based on what they actually deliver. The point remains that AA a
59 MAH4546 : Not according to another poster, who says it is internally listed as discontinued, not seasonally suspended. Though who knows, things can change quic
60 SCL767 : So that AA will hire newbies just like the respective carriers you mentioned above in the future. Their salaries are not "junior" as compared to NAAt
61 AA767400 : Not going to happen anytime soon. The senior Crews at AA have it real good and are not going anywhere, especially now with this economy. Being the hi
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