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BA Orders Embraers For Cityflyer  
User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12146 times:

British Airways has ordered 11 Embraer regional jets for use by its BA CityFlyer subsidiary.

Embraer says in a statement that the deal comprises six E-170s and five E-190SRs on firm order, plus options for three more E-190SRs.

The first 76-seat E-170 is due for delivery in the second half of 2009. Deliveries of the larger, 98-seat E-190SRs will start later.

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21677 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12106 times:

Have the E-Jets been certified for LCY? I remember Embraer saying they wanted to do it, but I never heard whether they got it done or not.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11917 times:

Great, this is a really some good news...

The E-Jets will look great with the BA livery...



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User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11833 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Have the E-Jets been certified for LCY?

I don't know but if BA Cityflyer have ordered them I would imagine so


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11609 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Have the E-Jets been certified for LCY?

Richard Gooding, CEO London City Airport, said: "The airport's management is now work with Embraer to get...types certified for use at LCY. Most of the testing on the...E170...is now complete..."just the paperwork now needs to be finalised.""

The E90 was due to make its first visit to LCY to start its certification process on 1st November.

Source: AW 12/08.



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User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11495 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 3):
I don't know but if BA Cityflyer have ordered them I would imagine so

And LX will be quick to follow I expect.

PurpleBox.



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User currently offlineNQYGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11377 times:

Great news! This has been speculated around for a while...

User currently offlineJamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11365 times:



Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 3):


Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Have the E-Jets been certified for LCY?

I don't know but if BA Cityflyer have ordered them I would imagine so

From Embraer's press release:

Quote:
The EMBRAER 170 obtained steep approach certification to operate at London City Airport
in June 2007. This approach uses a software solution developed within the existing fly-by-
wire system, which means improved flight quality and control and reduced pilot workload,
with less weight and maintenance cost. The EMBRAER 190SR is currently undergoing a
series of engineering evaluation tests with a view to receiving its steep approach certification
by the end of 2009.

Source: http://www.embraer.com.br/institucio...5-Com-VPC-British_Airways-I-08.pdf


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1704 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11257 times:

I'm so glad for my friend who is F/O at Cityflyer.
Luckily no Q400's as a lot of rumours were!
Congrats for Embraer and BA Cityflyer!!



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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11115 times:

Great news for Cityflyer. This means that by the end of 2009 we will have A318s and E-Jets in BA livery flying from LCY  Smile.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
The E90 was due to make its first visit to LCY to start its certification process on 1st November.

Indeed, but it didn't. The testing has been pushed back to 2009, apparently "paperwork issues".

The 170 is already certified.



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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 822 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10850 times:

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 9):
Indeed, but it didn't. The testing has been pushed back to 2009, apparently "paperwork issues".

I think there was a picture of the E190 test frame at LCY. IIRC they were there sometime in November, but said all further tests will be made in 2009.

The E170 test flights are completed and just paperwork needs to be done. E170 should be certified for LCY for summer schedule 09. The E190 for winter schedule 09/10.

[Edited 2008-12-22 04:22:31]

User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10399 times:



Quoting CARST (Reply 10):
I think there was a picture of the E190 test frame at LCY. IIRC they were there sometime in November, but said all further tests will be made in 2009.

The E170 test flights are completed and just paperwork needs to be done. E170 should be certified for LCY for summer schedule 09. The E190 for winter schedule 09/10.

Hmm well I was using this Flightglobal article which implied it hadn't done the tests... but could be wrong: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ip-but-09-certification-still.html

Quote:
The Brazilian manufacturer had scheduled a range of E-190 flight trials at the airport for 1 November. These tests were to include take-offs, landings and manoeuvring



Quote:
A spokeswoman for the London City Airport confirms that the trials have not yet taken place. "Paperwork with the UK authorities needs to be completed," she says, noting that tests are expected to begin early next year.



Quote:
The E-190's sister aircraft, the E-170, secured London City Airport steep approach certification in the summer of 2007.




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User currently offlineVeeseeten From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

I suppose this is roughly what we'll be seeing!

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00010727


User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10252 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Have the E-Jets been certified for LCY? I remember Embraer saying they wanted to do it, but I never heard whether they got it done or not.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
The E90 was due to make its first visit to LCY to start its certification process on 1st November.



Quoting CARST (Reply 10):
I think there was a picture of the E190 test frame at LCY. IIRC they were there sometime in November, but said all further tests will be made in 2009.

The E170 is certified for LCY and the E190 will get the certification shortly.

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10200 times:

Certainly in the UK the E-Jets appear to be taking over from the 146/RJ, what with Flybe operating them and now BA ordering them. A nice little bit of Christmas cheer to round off the year  champagne 

User currently offlineVeeseeten From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10038 times:

Who maintains BE's E195's at the moment? Perhaps we may see BA and BE go in together maintaining their fleets?

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9939 times:



Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
five E-190SR

What does the SR signify?. Couldn't see it n Embraers site.


User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9845 times:

Can't wait to take one between LCY and AMS, its gonna be great  Smile

User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27106 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9720 times:



Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
Embraer says in a statement that the deal comprises six E-170s and five E-190SRs on firm order, plus options for three more E-190SRs.

Fantastic news . Great to see them go for this. Just love the Ejets.

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 17):
Can't wait to take one between LCY and AMS, its gonna be great  

Me too. Will deffo have to take a trip on that.



User currently offlineHypersonic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9588 times:

Just out of interest,..
Prior to making the decision to go with Embraer, Would BA have even bothered to look at the Sukhoi Superjet, given that Sukhoi are going to great lengths to try & make their new plane a 'Western Friendly' Jet.

Or, would the same old thinly veiled political reasons block any chance of buying an Russian Jet, especially given the 'frosty' current relations between Moscow & London?

I think it's pretty much a unanimous opinion of A Netters on here, that we all love the new little Sukhoi & wish it all the best.
And we're even started to see some Western European Airlines thinking like this as well.

Hyper


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

I haven't yet flown either the E70 or E90, but I have flown the E95 (BE) and I thought it was terrific.

My last BACF trip was LCY-FRA-LCY. I believe the E70/E90 will offer superior comfort to the AR1.

I look forward to flying either machine with BACF.



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User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9540 times:



Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
The first 76-seat E-170 is due for delivery in the second half of 2009. Deliveries of the larger, 98-seat E-190SRs will start later.

This will result in a capacity reduction if they replace RJ85/100 with the new E jets one for one as there are only 2 RJ85's currently.

PurpleBox.



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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8672 times:

Presumbaly Cityflyer are already at a capacity reduction since Flightline went under?


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User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8590 times:



Quoting Hypersonic (Reply 19):
Prior to making the decision to go with Embraer, Would BA have even bothered to look at the Sukhoi Superjet, given that Sukhoi are going to great lengths to try & make their new plane a 'Western Friendly' Jet.

Maybe - but when when will the Superjet be cleared for LCY?

PurpleBox.



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User currently offlineBMIE70 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 8369 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 16):
What does the SR signify?. Couldn't see it n Embraers site.

Presumably some Short Range or steep approach variant more suited to ops from LCY. I think the E90's range will be quite limited when operating out of there.

The Embraer press image (see post 18) isn't quite right, the "British Airways" titles are in the wrong font. The red trailing edges on the winglets look quite cool though imo.


25 BA319-131 : An expected order and pleasing it has finally been announced. These E jets will look really good in BA's scheme and nice to travel in in a 2-2 layout.
26 Alessandro : Embraer is a proven product with a world wide support net, Sukhoi isn´t, like the Dassualt Mercure vs Boeing 737 during the early 1970ies. If they w
27 BlueShamu330s : A good business move by BA and will make for convenient commonality and consolidation when they wind down Gatwick short haul and reabsorb Flybe with i
28 Hardiwv : Great news and I am sure the Embraer will fly AMS-LCY!! The Embraer 145 and 170 are certified for LCY while the Embraer 190 will be certified for LCY
29 Jrfspa320 : 135
30 Post contains links Hardiwv : Interesting anti-LCY campaign blog trying to undermine Embraer 190 certification flight in LCY: http://londoncityairportfighttheflig...90-trial-flight
31 Planesailing : " target=_blank>http://londoncityairportfighttheflig....html That kind of thing is just rediculous and infuriating! Does the size of the aircraft equ
32 VC10er : I think this is awesome news for Embraer. Parabens! I know senior management at EMBRAER and they are the nicest, hardest working and proudest people I
33 Timboflier215 : Very happy with this end of year Xmas bonus - though I thought BA would order these birds for some time, I did not expect it to happen this year. I ho
34 RussianJet : Agreed. They should zip it and be grateful for the fact that the airport already has extremely stringent operatioinal limitations as a result of nois
35 TISTPAA727 : " target=_blank>http://londoncityairportfighttheflig....html I find it rather amusing there are no posts after the supposed Nov. 1 test flights. The
36 AirbusA6 : I wonder what will happen to the Avros? Is the E jets become the new standard jet from LCY, then there could be a lot of whisperjets made redundant...
37 Post contains links Robffm2 : There is now also a press release on LCY website: http://www.londoncityairport.com/LandingPage.aspx?Page=baembrarerfleet It also says that the planes
38 AAmd11 : The firm order is for 11 frames... with three options available on the 190SRs. That could take the fleet up to 14 - two more than at present. The curr
39 BALHRWWCC : SR = Short Runway. The E190SR is being specially designed for BACF and their LCY ops. The SR variant will be designed to give the aircraft a better M
40 Myt332 : My thoughts about LGW also. I can't imagine them lasting forever.
41 BlueShamu330s : Stop agreeing with me; it's unnerving !
42 Columba : Will it have the extra spoilers under the fuselage, I have seen a picture of test aircraft and I think it looked very cool,
43 BALHRWWCC : Not sure . I would be very suprised though if it isn't the SR variant they send for final LCY approach approval.
44 GDB : You have to maybe consider BA's now rather long standing policy of only ordering aircraft that are, or will be at BA service entry, already proven in
45 AirbusA6 : It'll also be in pole position to replace the 146s and Avros of other operators at LCY, a nice little niche
46 Vfw614 : You will have to search quite some time to find an E170/190 with five abreast seating....
47 Robffm2 : This comment was made in comparison to the 6 abreast on the Avros. It's horrible flying into London for work when sitting in the middle! Can't wait t
48 RussianJet : Are you therefore suggesting that you only come on here to fight and argue with people?
49 Myt332 : He doesn't have the brain power to do that!
50 BlueShamu330s : No, but I'll take the perception of being such as a compliment, signed AirNZ LOL ...or the will, or the stamina
51 Richierich : Not necessarily.... I'm guessing a 737 Classic is far noisier than a 747-400 on takeoff. I was at JFK last week and did some plane watching. By far t
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