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Lufthansa Longhaul Summer 2009 - A First Preview  
User currently offlineDABVF From Germany, joined Sep 2004, 178 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17205 times:

Some highlights:
> Daily flights FRA-JED and FRA-RUH.
> FRA-DTW downgrade to A333.
> Second FRA-LAX with A346.
> FRA-IKA upgrade to A346.
> FRA-CCS upgrade to A346.
> FRA-MAA downgrade to A343.
> Nonstop flights FRA-ADD.
> Second flight FRA-PVG 3/7.
> MUC-EWR upgrade to A346.



Aircraft:
744 = B747-400 (F16 C80 Y234) => 30 aircraft
346 = A340-600 (F8 C60 Y238) => 24 aircraft
343 = A340-300 (F8 C48 Y165) => 22 aircraft (2 will leave fleet in 2009)
34V = A340-300 (C44 Y222) => 6 aircraft
333 = A330-300 (F8 C48 Y165) => 15 aircraft


Flights from MUC:
410 JFK 7/7 333
412 EWR 7/7 346
414 IAD 7/7 333
424 BOS 7/7 343
428 CLT 7/7 346
434 ORD 7/7 346
452 LAX 7/7 346
458 SFO 7/7 346
474 YUL 7/7 333
504 GRU 7/7 343
638 DXB 7/7 343
714 NRT 7/7 343
716 ICN-SHE 3/7 343
718 ICN-PUS 3/7 343
722 PEK 7/7 346
726 PVG 7/7 346
730 HKG 7/7 346
762 DEL 7/7 346
764 BOM 7/7 333
790 SIN 5/7 346

Flights from FRA:
400 JFK 7/7 744
402 EWR 7/7 744
404 JFK 7/7 744
416 IAD 7/7 333
418 IAD 7/7 744
420 BOS 7/7 (5/7 343 + 2/7 333)
422 BOS 7/7 744
426 PHL 7/7 34V
430 ORD 7/7 744
432 ORD 7/7 333
438 DFW 7/7 34V
440 IAH 7/7 744
442 DTW 7/7 333
444 ATL 7/7 (6/7 34V + 1/7 333)
446 DEN 7/7 346
450 LAX 7/7 346
454 SFO 7/7 744
456 LAX 7/7 744
462 MIA 7/7 744
464 MCO 5/7 333
468 PDX 5/7 34V
470 YYZ 7/7 346
490 SEA 7/7 333
492 YVR 7/7 346
494 YYC 7/7 34V
498 MEX 7/7 744
506 GRU 7/7 744
510 EZE 5/7 744
534 CCS 7/7 346
560 LAD 1/7 343
562 SSG-ABV 3/7 333
564 LOS-ACC 7/7 346
572 JNB 7/7 744
582 CAI 7/7 343
584 CAI 7/7 343
592 JED-ASM 3/7 (2/7 333 + 1/7 343)
596 JED-KRT 4/7 (3/7 343 + 1/7 333)
600 IKA 7/7 346
612 GYD-ASB 4/7 (2/7 343 + 2/7 333)
616 AUH-MCT 3/7 (2/7 333 + 1/7 343)
618 BAH-MCT 4/7 333
620 RUH-DOH 7/7 (6/7 333 + 1/7 343)
622 AUH 3/7 (2/7 333 + 1/7 343)
628 KWI-DMM 3/7 333
630 DXB 7/7 744
636 KWI 4/7 333
646 TSE-ALA 2/7 (1/7 343 + 1/7 333)
648 ALA 5/7 (3/7 333 + 2/7 34V)
652 ADD-SAH 3/7 333
652 ADD 1/7 333
686 TLV 7/7 744
690 TLV 7/7 346
710 NRT 7/7 744
712 ICN 7/7 346
720 PEK 7/7 744
728 PVG 7/7 744
732 PVG 3/7 343
736 NGO 5/7 343
738 HKG 7/7 744
740 KIX 7/7 346
750 CCU 3/7 333
752 HYD 5/7 34V
754 BLR 7/7 744
756 BOM 7/7 744
758 MAA 7/7 343
760 DEL 7/7 744
772 BKK-SGN 3/7 744
778 SIN-CGK 7/7 744
780 NKG 3/7 343
782 BKK-KUL 4/7 744
786 CAN 5/7 343

Flights from DUS:
408 EWR 7/7 343
436 ORD 7/7 343
472 YYZ 5/7 343

[Edited 2008-12-22 01:13:51]

61 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16784 times:

No more BBJ (of PrivatAir) employed longhaul in summer, or was this type out of focus for this list ?
-HT



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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16683 times:

Bummer, LH downgrades me to a 744 and rumor has it KL will not be coming in 2010.

 sigh   sigh   sigh 


User currently offlineCX288 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16406 times:



Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
638 DXB 7/7 343



Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
630 DXB 7/7 744

632 FRA-DXB 6/7 738

By also operating a 343 between Munich and Dubai they not only increase their capacity as compared with last summer, but will also operate the additional PrivatAir 738 service from Frankfurt which was introduced this year.

Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
Second flight FRA-PVG 3/7.

This is 'seasonal' and has been operating for the past two summers.


User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16111 times:



Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
343 = A340-300 (F8 C48 Y165) => 22 aircraft (2 will leave fleet in 2009)

Are the two leaving A340-300's the ones destined for the VIP squadron of the government?  Confused



Riding the radials...
User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16078 times:

Thanks for the info!

Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
> Second flight FRA-PVG 3/7.

Which aircraft type is this on?

Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
> MUC-EWR upgrade to A346.

Probably to connect with the CO hub once CO joins Star. I've also heard that T1 at JFK is now simply too crowded for them to expand service. Perhaps we shall see a service downgrade at JFK for MUC?

Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
686 TLV 7/7 744
690 TLV 7/7 346

Since when have they done this route 2x daily?



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User currently offlineBWE320 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15874 times:

Will the flight from Frankfurt to Pune be operated next summer? By Privatair?

User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15845 times:
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Quoting BWE320 (Reply 6):
Will the flight from Frankfurt to Pune be operated next summer? By Privatair?

Yes!! With Airbus A319 equipment wet-leased from Privatair from March 29, 2009.

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineBWE320 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15814 times:

Thanks, seems to be a succesful connection!

User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15743 times:

Quite a change in BOS.

Last summer it was

422/3: 346
424/5: 343/333
420/1: 343

This summer it's

422/3: 744
424/5: 343
420/1: 343, 333

Lets see if they can fill all those first class seats



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11437 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15587 times:
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Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
506 GRU 7/7 744
510 EZE 5/7 744
534 CCS 7/7 346

And LH continues with a very limited presence in South America with only 3 markets served.
I believe EZE will be down from 6/7 this winter... am i correct ?



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User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15302 times:

What about BEY?? I can't see this destination.

Will it see an upgrade to A300 or possibly A333?



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15208 times:



Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
Flights from DUS:
408 EWR 7/7 343
436 ORD 7/7 343
472 YYZ 5/7 343

Has DUS-MIA been cut already? Was it just a seasonal flight?


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15129 times:



Quoting GoMEA (Reply 11):
What about BEY?? I can't see this destination.

Will it see an upgrade to A300 or possibly A333?

Following Amadeus it's still an Airbus 321..



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User currently offlineDLH405heavy From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15030 times:

DUS-MIA operates in the winter season only as replacement for DUS-YYZ.


Flying is life, the rest just details.
User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14975 times:

Any word on how the MUC-ICN-PUS/SHE has been performing so far? I know they don't have any traffic rights between ICN & PUS, but what about ICN & SHE?

User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14670 times:



Quoting DLH405heavy (Reply 14):
DUS-MIA operates in the winter season only as replacement for DUS-YYZ.

Thanks, I could remember if it was seasonal or permanent.


User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13955 times:

When did the DEN-MUC flight go away?


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User currently offlineEXCOASA1982 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13945 times:



Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 5):
Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
> MUC-EWR upgrade to A346.

Probably to connect with the CO hub once CO joins Star. I've also heard that T1 at JFK is now simply too crowded for them to expand service. Perhaps we shall see a service downgrade at JFK for MUC?

Doesn't this usually upgrade each summer from privatair?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25191 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13928 times:



Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 17):
When did the DEN-MUC flight go away?

With the start of the winter schedule in late October.


User currently offlineLHBSL From Switzerland, joined Mar 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13034 times:



Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 5):
Quoting DABVF (Thread starter):
686 TLV 7/7 744
690 TLV 7/7 346

Since when have they done this route 2x daily?

Hi,

LH 686 is the day flight and LH 690 is the late evening flight out of FRA. I don't know when they installed the second flight but it must have been already at least two years ago.

Regards


User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12902 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 15):
Any word on how the MUC-ICN-PUS/SHE has been performing so far? I know they don't have any traffic rights between ICN & PUS, but what about ICN & SHE?

LH has rights between ICN and SHE, but not many takes this flight due to the poor timing (around 6:30AM dep. from ICN, 9AM dep. from SHE). Load of ICN-PUS is not good either, but LH does have some advantage as the only European carrier for PUS and SHE. Not sure about SHE-MUC demand, but there are enough passengers from ICN, so overall LF is okay. By the way, there's no ICN-MUC flights for about two weeks in this holiday season.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12646 times:



Quoting Lufthansa411 (Reply 9):
Last summer it was

422/3: 346
424/5: 343/333
420/1: 343

This summer it's

422/3: 744
424/5: 343
420/1: 343, 333

Well, before the introduction of the MUC flight LH always operated a 744 and a 343 to BOS in the Summer. It was only last year (or year before?), that they "downgraded" the 744 flight to an A346.


User currently offlineDABVF From Germany, joined Sep 2004, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12616 times:



Quoting Marquis (Reply 4):
Are the two leaving A340-300's the ones destined for the VIP squadron of the government? Confused

Yes, D-AIFB and D-AIGR are the two A340-300...


User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12406 times:



Quoting DABVF (Reply 24):

Quoting Marquis (Reply 4):
Are the two leaving A340-300's the ones destined for the VIP squadron of the government? Confused

Yes, D-AIFB and D-AIGR are the two A340-300...

Thanks a lot for this detailed information DABVF!



Riding the radials...
25 Hardiwv : Great to see GRU-MUC back to daily. EZE will be down from 6? Any indication whether the FRA-EZE leg will be red-eye or as currently operated (dayligh
26 LH423 : Not quite. It's been a 744 for several years (and previously a 742) during the Winter but since the introduction of the MUC flight it's always been 3
27 LouA340 : How long has the this route been with the A346 and is this seasonal or now permanent? I guess the route is doing well and so the increase in capacity
28 Flyguy1 : It appearsLH406/407, the 4th daily JFK flgiht will not operate this summer.
29 CPH-R : Thanks for the info! I remember thinking that the departure was quite early, but then I read somewhere that it targetted people who wished to spend t
30 Avianca : local LH management was working long and hard to get the upgrade! So LH will offer FirstClass out of CCS... it will be the only european carrier, if
31 Amax1977 : Tehran is getting 7/7 346???? That's pretty cool...
32 LipeGIG : But when we compare South America.....
33 DTWAGENT : LH may add another flight to DTW like they have done the last few years. One (1) daily A333 and one A340 (3) days a week. But what I don't understand
34 BlatantEcho : I guess the SEA flight, and the addition of AMS service by NW cut into PDX enough that they are limiting summer flying huh? Do you know what days they
35 MAH4546 : I thought that the Frankfurt-based A340-600s do not have First Class, only the Munich-based ones do. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong or mixing somet
36 BA : It's too bad that FRA-DEN won't see a 744 like it did in the past now that MUC-DEN is gone. It's going from 7x to 8x weekly with an extra Saturday mor
37 Rheinwaldner : Regarding the role of VLA aircraft (hot topic in other threads): Have you noticed that all (=100%) of the 744 are used because of their capacity? LH h
38 Hardiwv : Congratulations to LH team in CCS. There is no doubt that LH by offering F in CCS will attract the premium segment of the traffic Venezuela-Europe/As
39 Directorguy : I take it HBE won't be changed? Is this route actually selling?
40 Robffm2 : As two A343 are leaving, will that result in an even higher higher utilization of the widebodies? Or will that be compensated by the arriving new A333
41 Airbazar : I personally think LH could easily fill 3 744's out of BOS but that would drive down yields obviously. However, I think this increased capacity is LH
42 Columba : Don´t know about the 744s but the A343 will get PTVs. LH will get additional A333s next year so this is very likely.
43 HT : W/o onward connections from DTW to speak of, this side of the route is pretty much O&D. And with the recent downturn in the automotive industry, LH l
44 Hardiwv : Could someone answer the above question. I know for sure that MUC-based A346 and A343 have First Class.. Rgs,
45 DABVF : Currently LH operates 2-class and 3-class A340-600, but all 2-class A346 will be converted to 3-class-layout during the next months. In summer 2009 a
46 Flyglobal : Will they then get the new first class already? I can't believe that they would still install the current one, just months ahead of introducing the n
47 PP705 : BOM goes daily from MUC. Is there the demand for a daily flight?
48 LXA340 : Even longer, more like around 10 years or so. This really wouldn't make sense.
49 SANFan : Looks like no new US cities will be opened next summer by LH. I'm not really surprised; maybe later in 2009 or we wait and see about 2010... Merry Chr
50 Viscount724 : With the economic crisis worsening and likely to last at least a couple of years, and many companies cutting back on business travel, I'm surprised a
51 ETStar : While the nonstop is neat, the return leg leaves ADD too late in the evening (130AM) making for longer Africa-FRA connections at ADD (for LH code sha
52 LH423 : In BA's tentative Summer schedule they are also bringing back capacity to 14x 744s and 7x 777s. The past two Summers they've added a few extra 777s i
53 FRACO7X : LH has reconfigured several 744 from 80 C/CL seats to 66 C/CL seats. I do not know if this due to falling demand for C/CL travel or if there is any o
54 Hardiwv : Will LH operate FRA-KRT-JED-FRA or FRA-JED-KRT-JED-FRA? The KRT one-stop operations will not entail any problem for LH as the other European competit
55 DABVF : What's the seat configuration of the B744 with 66 C/CL seats? The B744 with 80 C/CL seats have F16, C80, Y234.
56 FRACO7X : Config is 16F/66C/270Y
57 FRACO7X : Will be FRA-JED-KRT-JED-FRA
58 Kaitak : The timetable also showed a 346 in a 2 class layout; is this still being used?
59 LXA340 : Yes, all FRA based A346 currently are 2 class, howeer as posted earlier, they will be reconfigured into 3 Class as well. Which will leave the A34V th
60 Hjulicher : Does LH equip their A333 with PTVs?
61 MUCuser : yes, all 333s all 346s have PTV in Y, the 343s are being reconfigured this winter. AFAIK there has been no decicion yet on whether to re-configure th
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