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Will BA Start Nonstop EZE Flights In 2009?  
User currently offlineScrappy27 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 281 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

Galley FM has it that BA will be re-instating the direct EZE on the 777??
Anyone heard anything?

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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

HAsnt that rumour been around for the last 18 months? You got my hopes up then!!!


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User currently offlineAceFreighter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

I understand it will remain as daily via GRU but will be upgraded to 744

User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6524 times:



Quoting AceFreighter (Reply 2):
but will be upgraded to 744

It's already a 744 - or at least it was on the 10th Dec when I was there...

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User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

The flight is already operated with a 744.

Working against the introduction of a direct service is the length of the flight, the fact that the aircraft may have to spend some considerable time on the ground (depending on schedule/connection requirements) and the fact that BA is able to sell tickets between GRU and EZE, and has been doing so quite successfully.

This question has been posed by staff to Network Planning and BA's commercial VP (Americas) recently and the standard answer is usually along the lines of "we are keeping a watchful eye on the EZE route" .... well, that could be said of any route on the BA network ...


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6503 times:



Quoting AceFreighter (Reply 2):
I understand it will remain as daily via GRU but will be upgraded to 744

I believe it's a 744 already.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6470 times:
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I strongly believe there is room for a non-stop link between London and EZE.

All flights between Europe and EZE are really full, it's one of the few routes that have loads of around 100% both directions according to IATA figures in Q3 2008.

With the strong advantage of an ailing AR, that does not prove to be a threat for the European and U.S carriers...

FB.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11439 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6365 times:
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Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 6):
I strongly believe there is room for a non-stop link between London and EZE.

Me too, but BA need to develop the market as nowadays, mostly passengers are to Brazil. There is a promo in place in Brazil, when you purchase a Business ticket GRU-EZE you got a second for free. But i'm sure, a non-stop would become a winner flight, like with the new service LHR-GIG.



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6173 times:

Plus, there is the perennial problem of Heathrow slots. In order to make EZE non-stop BA would have to take the flight from somewhere else.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6159 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Me too, but BA need to develop the market as nowadays, mostly passengers are to Brazil. There is a promo in place in Brazil, when you purchase a Business ticket GRU-EZE you got a second for free. But i'm sure, a non-stop would become a winner flight, like with the new service LHR-GIG

BA is also selling business class tickets in Europe to Brazil on very promotional fares equivalent to IB fares which makes the airline among the "cheapest". GRU sells for EUR 3,000 and GIG for EUR 2,500 [for comparison, AF cheapest business class is EUR 3,500 and KL EUR 3,400]. My office was looking for a ticket for me in March to GRU/GIG and BA to GIG via LHR came up as the cheapest business class fare....Of course, the mentioned fares are no indication of yields because BA connects many pax to high yielding Asian destinations.

I also agree that BA would first consolidate GIG before venturing on EZE nonstop.

Rgs,


User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6139 times:



Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 8):
Plus, there is the perennial problem of Heathrow slots. In order to make EZE non-stop BA would have to take the flight from somewhere else.

No problem with this number of slots at the moment.


User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6053 times:

My wife and i just got back from Buenos Aires. We flew on an almost full BA 747-400 GRU-EZE on Friday. And I believe it was 100% full from EZE-GRU on the return today. Of course, most stayed on board. Our flight came in as 2 other flights from EZE arrived at GRU. I wonder how flights there are between GRU and EZE. And I have wondered with the British connection with Argentina why there are no non-stops. Great service, short flight and even a nice snack on BA to and from BA!

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11439 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5988 times:
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Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 11):
My wife and i just got back from Buenos Aires. We flew on an almost full BA 747-400 GRU-EZE on Friday. And I believe it was 100% full from EZE-GRU on the return today. Of course, most stayed on board. Our flight came in as 2 other flights from EZE arrived at GRU. I wonder how flights there are between GRU and EZE. And I have wondered with the British connection with Argentina why there are no non-stops. Great service, short flight and even a nice snack on BA to and from BA

This is something new to me. I always heard that mostly traffic is from Brazil to UK.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

It won't be the shortest way of doing it, but with QF starting up EZE it would allow for another BA/QF routing from SYD-LHR.


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User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

Well, I didn't count so I can't say with 100% accuracy. But WOrld Traveller and the class above us was full.

I remember taking this flight from GRU-London. And not many got on in GRU. I was surprised that most got on at EZE. This was 2 years ago.

The Qantas plane was a cool site to see today! I have never seen one of theirs up close!


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5860 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
This is something new to me. I always heard that mostly traffic is from Brazil to UK.



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 11):
My wife and i just got back from Buenos Aires. We flew on an almost full BA 747-400 GRU-EZE on Friday. And I believe it was 100% full from EZE-GRU on the return today. Of course, most stayed on board. Our flight came in as 2 other flights from EZE arrived at GRU. I wonder how flights there are between GRU and EZE. And I have wondered with the British connection with Argentina why there are no non-stops. Great service, short flight and even a nice snack on BA to and from BA!

The front of the plane (F and C) is 90% Brazil. I cannot speak about the back of the plane. I did this route EZE-GRU-LHR last year and can confirm that F class departed EZE empty and departed GRU full (100%) and C class departed EZE with 10% load and again departed GRU full (100%).

The above also explains why BA is selling promotional (buy 1 get 1 free) business class ticket GRU-EZE (F and C usually makes GRU-EZE-GRU empty)

Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 11):
We flew on an almost full BA 747-400 GRU-EZE on Friday. And I believe it was 100% full from EZE-GRU

According to BA EZE dutiy manager BA EZE-GRU operates with higher loads on Fri, Sat and Sun, weekday the performance is much poorer for this segment.

Rgs,


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

I always thought that the Premium cabins were the GRU based passengers and the majority of Y was pax to EZE.

Would BA not start a direct flight to EZE with one of the new 777's due for delivery in Q1 09?



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5743 times:



Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 10):
No problem with this number of slots at the moment

They would still need to take a slot from somewhere else to create space for a non stop LHR-EZE. It may come round eventually but I imagine there are other potential routes that would get service first before EZE gets non stop.


User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

Quoting Theginge (Reply 17):
They would still need to take a slot from somewhere else to create space for a non stop LHR-EZE.

No they dont theres plenty of slots being used just enough to avoid losing them at the moment. Quite apart from the short haul flights that are slot sitting.

[Edited 2008-12-23 03:13:45]

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11439 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5571 times:
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Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 14):
Well, I didn't count so I can't say with 100% accuracy. But WOrld Traveller and the class above us was full.

I remember taking this flight from GRU-London. And not many got on in GRU. I was surprised that most got on at EZE. This was 2 years ago.



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
The front of the plane (F and C) is 90% Brazil. I cannot speak about the back of the plane. I did this route EZE-GRU-LHR last year and can confirm that F class departed EZE empty and departed GRU full (100%) and C class departed EZE with 10% load and again departed GRU full (100%).

As any route, it can be one or the other. Depending on events (congress for example), EZE can sell more or less, but no doubt considering the size of each market, GRU (which means Brazil and also closer countries), will be where mostly people board.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5559 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 20):
GRU (which means Brazil and also closer countries),

I think GRU means foremost and above all São Paulo.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 20):
As any route, it can be one or the other. Depending on events (congress for example), EZE can sell more or less, but no doubt considering the size of each market, GRU (which means Brazil and also closer countries), will be where mostly people board

Agreed, but the overall yearly numbers of course benefit GRU peformance in C and F, which explains why GRU is among BA top performing destinations in F and C.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11439 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5469 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 21):
I think GRU means foremost and above all São Paulo.

São Paulo is 32% of Brazilian GDP, there's more 68% or almost 2x São Paulo in the rest of the country.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 21):
Agreed, but the overall yearly numbers of course benefit GRU peformance in C and F, which explains why GRU is among BA top performing destinations in F and C.

We don't have such numbers by destination. But no doubt GRU performs better than EZE.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7162 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5456 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 11):
I wonder how flights there are between GRU and EZE.

Sample day in January ** includes codeshares **


GRU Sao Paulo Guarulhos Int'l SP BR [SBGR]
EZE Buenos Aires Ministro Pistarini BA AR [SAEZ]
WED 07 Jan 2009

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------------
AR 1263 GRU 06:30 EZE 09:25 735 0
BA 247 GRU 07:45 EZE 10:35 744 0
RG 8630 GRU 08:00 EZE 11:00 738 0
G3 8630 GRU 08:00 EZE 11:00 738 0
JJ 8000 GRU 08:30 EZE 11:20 330 0
LA 6460 GRU 08:30 EZE 11:20 332 0
G3 7470 GRU 10:00 EZE 15:25 738 2
AR 1241 GRU 10:17 EZE 13:12 735 0
JJ 8010 GRU 10:20 EZE 13:10 320 0
LA 6462 GRU 10:20 EZE 13:10 320 0
G3 7452 GRU 10:50 EZE 13:40 738 0
JJ 8018 GRU 14:20 EZE 17:10 320 0
LA 6464 GRU 14:20 EZE 17:10 320 0
LA 4551 GRU 14:25 EZE 17:25 763 0
JJ 8750 GRU 14:25 EZE 17:25 763 0
G3 8632 GRU 15:15 EZE 18:15 738 0
AR 1249 GRU 17:57 EZE 20:52 735 0
RG 8634 GRU 18:00 EZE 20:50 738 0
G3 8634 GRU 18:00 EZE 20:50 738 0
G3 8614 GRU 18:10 EZE 23:25 738 2
RG 8614 GRU 18:10 EZE 23:25 738 2
JJ 8004 GRU 20:00 EZE 22:50 320 0
LA 6466 GRU 20:00 EZE 22:50 320 0
G3 7456 GRU 20:00 EZE 22:50 738 0
AR 1245 GRU 20:25 EZE 23:20 735 0
RG 8636 GRU 21:30 EZE 00:30 +1 738 0
G3 8636 GRU 21:30 EZE 00:30 +1 738 0
JJ 8006 GRU 22:45 EZE 01:30 +1 320 0
LA 6468 GRU 22:45 EZE 01:30 +1 320 0



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

To get back to the original question, I saw a three season plan for W08 S09 and W09 and there are daily B744s all the way.
That is what we are planning for. Anything else is conjecture.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5428 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 23):
GRU Sao Paulo Guarulhos Int'l SP BR [SBGR]
EZE Buenos Aires Ministro Pistarini BA AR [SAEZ]
WED 07 Jan 2009

GRU-EZE is the busiest international route in Latin America.

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 24):
To get back to the original question, I saw a three season plan for W08 S09 and W09 and there are daily B744s all the way.
That is what we are planning for. Anything else is conjecture.

You mean B747 to GIG? This would make sense. I firmly believe that BA next plan for the region is to consolidate GIG, first by increasing frequency, then increasing capacity and timetable (both legs red-eye).

Rgs,


25 LipeGIG : One stop or non-stop ? I believe he mention about EZE. But i expect BA to increase GIG more as now there are more frequencies available.
26 TristarSteve : Sorry did not explain, The present one stop will continue for the next 15 months at least.
27 EK413 : Makes sense if you would like to fly via South America... Probably BA will re-time the flight so that it meets with QF017 arrival from SYD... EK413
28 Richardw : I was waiting for this but decided to bite the bullet and do the Argentina and Brazil trip any way, so have just checked in for BA0247 24 Dec 08, hope
29 Hardiwv : LAN Argentina also has to retime EZE-GRU to fit with QF schedule. However, I doubt LAN will do this because LAN carries a significant amount of Brazi
30 EZEIZA : Slightly off topic, but back in the 90's, did BA fly LHR-GRU-EZE-SCL or was it LHR-EZE-SCL having GRU as a separate flight? thanks in advance
31 Sketty222 : It was LHR-EZE-SCL with GRU as a seperate flight
32 CityofAthens : And what an amazing trip and popular flight this was with BA crew. I miss EZE, - I miss the coffees, the posh waiters, the "medialunas", the excursio
33 Viscount724 : Would anyone really want to use that route only making a connection at EZE when it's over 3000nm further than via Asia and rquires an additional stop
34 LipeGIG : Also they need to increase service, now i believe it continues as 6x weekly.
35 MD11junkie : Yes, because, one at a time all of LA's A340s are going into new interior retrofit in Ireland. Yep, mainly because Argentine F and C travellers DO ha
36 Lan_Fanatic : Off topic: Talking only about the SCL schedule, it began as LHR-GRU-SCL and back (I took that flight). Some years later it switched to LGW-EZE-SCL. I
37 Rafabozzolla : And Brazilian pax don't have enough F/C choices to Europe? Let's see... From the top of my head. Correct any mistakes. TP: C only from GRU, GIG, CNF,
38 LipeGIG : JJ operations to MAD now includes F and service to FRA (and LHR on the days operated by 77W) doest not include F.
39 Hardiwv : Indeed, LAN has now started the retrofit of their A340. You can be sure that many argentinians fill quite some seats (Y/C/F) of TAM services to the U
40 C010T3 : No, you're not, GIG and GRU were also shifted to LGW.
41 MD11junkie : Who said that? Get off your horse. I was commenting on Hardi's statement of F and C being 90% Brazilian passengers. That's why I said, that F and C A
42 Hardiwv : Hola, Gaston! Feliz navidad! Well, I am not sure whether 90% is the correct number, BA must do well in EZE otherwise they would not operate there. I
43 Jfk777 : If they haven't yet BA probably will not since the economy in Argentina is not getting better and the British end is going bad too. Buenos Aires is 14
44 SJOtoLIR : BA 245....LHR 21:55..........GRU 07:30+1......Tu.........747 BA 245....GRU unknown.....EZE 11:25..........We........747 BA 244....EZE 15:30..........
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