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User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 887 times:

Are there any unpopular routes? (includes the routes with low load factors)

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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6215 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 820 times:

I dont know if this route can be listed as unpopular but I will have to mention San Juan-Los Angeles . TWA operates the route with a subsidy from the govt of Puerto Rico because of the few pax on this route . AA had try to launch this route a couple of years ago and they even dropped it be4 they even inagurated the flight .
Chepos
Puerto Rico



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User currently offlineIshky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 797 times:

A few come to mind:
PDX-Fukuoka Delta
IAH-Hermosillo Continental
DFW-MAN American
IAD-ZRH United
DTW-SEL Northwest


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 792 times:

Delta dropped PDX to Fukuoka a long time ago!

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 784 times:

Northwest from MSP-Rochester, MN and MSP-Duluth, MN and MSP-Fargo, ND are pretty unpopular, most of those flights have less than 20 people on the days i've seen them depart!

User currently offlineBostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 774 times:

There used to be LOTS of unpopular routes before deregulation. Airlines were often forced to maintain service to cities they could not make a profit from and were subsidized by the government to do so. Oftentimes the CAB would give an airline a "good" route in exchange for maintaining service on "bad" routes. For example, Northeast Airlines was given routes to Miami and Los Angeles but had to maintain service to numerous small communities in New England that couldn't even fill a DC-3 or FH-227 on a good day. American used to operate a series of puddle jumping flights through upstate New York from Boston, too.

User currently offlineILoVeA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 767 times:

Southwest from OAK to ISIP. who wasnts to stop 4 times just to get to bloody new england. (don't take that the wrong way)

User currently offlinePortcolumbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1614 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 754 times:

CMH-EWR is doing very poorly for HP.

User currently offlineMr. 717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 747 times:

The wost route is American Airlines Midway to Dallas fort Worth on a F-100!

Regards,
Mr. 717


User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1906 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 731 times:

Interesting question..Unpopular for whom? These days few carriers stay in a route that is unprofitable unless there is financial incentives from a local government or politcal considerations. But even those did not stop AA from dropping F-100 service from ORD to FSD?/Peoria/ and another city I don't remember about a year after they got an exemption on the slot rule at ORD back in the early 90's.

TWA used to have to operate a whole series of flights with various combinations of stops from IND/CVG/DAY/CMH/PIT to DCA/LGA/ and other points and with-in those midwest cities. Some were even operated with 707's and CV-990's. I'm sure the CAB made TW fly those "unpopular" routes for some plum route.


I don't think a route remains "unpopular" for too long these days at most carriers. WE( the collective group on here!) may feel that a route is unpopular or a carrier does not operate the route with the equipment we would assign to it.



User currently offlineImkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 717 times:

IAD-ZRH did quite well with United, load-wise! I flew this route before it died, and it was jam-packed; I had also been told it was always like this.

Problem was, most of the '67 was filled with tourists like me. UA simply must have the high margins.

That's why United claims to "fly to more of the world's business centers than any other airline."

-imk


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 713 times:

As for routes like DTW-SEL and DFW-MAN, if they are so unpopular, how come there are flights between the two cities?  Smile
rgds,
blink182



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 705 times:

Uhh, Blink, AA stopped DFW-Manchester a long time ago, and if they do operate it, it is seasonal. They do have year round ORD-MAN though.

User currently offlineBig777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 683 times:

How about ORD-Berlin, Germany American Airlines dropped route a few years ago? Were they have a low load pax?

Big777jet




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