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EK To Tokyo - 5 Weekly From March 2010  
User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

EK and Etihad have both been granted rights to fly to Tokyo from March 2010. In addition they have been given extra rights to their current Osaka and Nagoya destinations:

http://gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10269423.html

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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5953 times:
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Nice additions to NRT, fares should drop a little too.


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

Very interesting development. It will certainly improve even further EK stronghold in GRU.

Rgs,


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5805 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 2):
It will certainly improve even further EK stronghold in GRU

I think it could, but I am not completely sure about that. Because most of the Brazilian population lives near the Chubu area (NGO) and not around Tokyo. In addition, if they are non Brazilian and exempt from visa restrictions, they have the option of flying JL (NRT-JFK-GRU)

Interesting development indeed though. I heard from my boss and other members at EK is that they will start serving DXB-GRU double daily in the near future. If they are granted more flights to NGO, I reckon they might increase frequencies on some days because that is where a lot of Brazilians are coming from.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19245 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5448 times:



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 1):
Nice additions to NRT, fares should drop a little too.

I have seen innumerable cheap fares from LON via DXB to KIX/NGO - quite often £400 or less return!



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5336 times:
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Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 3):
I think it could, but I am not completely sure about that. Because most of the Brazilian population lives near the Chubu area (NGO) and not around Tokyo. In addition, if they are non Brazilian and exempt from visa restrictions, they have the option of flying JL (NRT-JFK-GRU)

Also, as per recent reports, a lot of Brazilians (dekaseguis) are flying back to Brazil due to the economic scenario.



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5079 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
are flying back to Brazil due to the economic scenario

Thanks for the info. I read somewhere else that Dubai is facing serious problems because so many of the labourers do not have the money to get home at the moment. I guess this could be said for in Japan as well?



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5005 times:

Why 5 per week? I guess Japanese negotiators are sooo afraid of EY & EK.
What's the purpose of having 35 weekly to both NGO or KIX because neither destination will ever go beyond the single daily flight for each carrier.
I guess we will be seeing the A380 for EK and 773ER or A346 for EY.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4769 times:
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Pretty sure EK will bring the A380.

Wasn't EK interested in HND ?

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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4680 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 8):
Wasn't EK interested in HND ?

Actually, the article doesn't specifically mention NRT or HND, although I've been presuming that it's NRT. However, the problem with HND - initially, anyway - is that access will be very restricted - to before 6.30am or after 10.30pm (or thereabouts), so that causes problems for scheduling.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

If it is 2010, this could be some of the new slots for NRT related to the 2nd runway extension. With more regional traffic going to HND and even some long-haul, this will help open slots at NRT.

But if they went for HND, it would not be as bad as we think.
This is what we have here in Nagoya.
DXB 2:45 NGO 16:50
NGO 22:45 DXB 5:55

This arrival would be too early for HND.
But...
DXB 8:30 HND 22:35
HND 1:30 DXB 8:30

Problem is that it might not be the best for DXB-West/South/North banks. Some popular destinations Might require a long layover at DXB.

Nice that they will get additions at KIX and NGO not like we would even see more than the daily.

By 2010, how many A380 operators will be flying to NRT?
We already have SQ. AF has stated it will use the craft to NRT. We know EK will use it. LH might use it. But will the other operators use it once they have them?



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4599 times:



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 3):
Because most of the Brazilian population lives near the Chubu area (NGO) and not around Tokyo. In addition, if they are non Brazilian and exempt from visa restrictions, they have the option of flying JL (NRT-JFK-GRU)



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
Also, as per recent reports, a lot of Brazilians (dekaseguis) are flying back to Brazil due to the economic scenario.

Indeed, Lipe. As per the article you sent me, JAL in Brazil stated that JAL flights Japan>Brazil are fully booked while JAL flights Brazil>Japan are not selling that well. Many dekaseguis are coming back to Brazil due to economic situation in Japan.

Rgs,


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4345 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
Many dekaseguis

Did you mean dekasegi?

But if they are Brazilian, it would seem logical to use EK KIX/NGO-DXB-GRU instead of the JL flight if they are Brazilian labourers



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4249 times:



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 12):
But if they are Brazilian, it would seem logical to use EK KIX/NGO-DXB-GRU instead of the JL flight if they are Brazilian labourers

Not all of them are located in NGO area. But you have a point.

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 12):
Did you mean dekasegi?

Yes,

Rgs,


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4218 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
I have seen innumerable cheap fares from LON via DXB to KIX/NGO - quite often £400 or less return!

They have to be cheap to convince passengers to fly such a devious and time-consuming route, more than 2000 miles further than a nonstop.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4205 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
I have seen innumerable cheap fares from LON via DXB to KIX/NGO - quite often £400 or less return!

They have to be cheap to convince passengers to fly such a devious and time-consuming route, more than 2000 miles further than a nonstop.

There are may pax who will fly EK JFK-DXB-JNB over say BA's JFK-LHR-JNB...I've actually met a few.  yes 

Using GCM as a "general guideline", JFK-DXB-JNB is 1800 miles more!  Wow!



From To Initial
Heading Distance
2 segment path: 10819 mi
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) DXB (25°15'10"N 55°21'52"E) 45° (NE) 6849 mi
DXB (25°15'10"N 55°21'52"E) JNB (26°08'21"S 28°14'46"E) 209° (SW) 3970 mi
2 segment path: 9072 mi
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) LHR (51°28'39"N 00°27'41"W) 51° (NE) 3451 mi
LHR (51°28'39"N 00°27'41"W) JNB (26°08'21"S 28°14'46"E) 154° (SE) 5621 mi



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4078 times:
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Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 6):
Thanks for the info. I read somewhere else that Dubai is facing serious problems because so many of the labourers do not have the money to get home at the moment. I guess this could be said for in Japan as well?

It's an article from the most prestige Economic Newspaper in Brazil saying that many Brazilians with flexible labor agreements has been fired recently and they can't find another job. So they are trying to return to Brazil, but the flights are very busy for Japan-Brazil. However, Brazil-Japan market is weak.
Dubai probably will face problems with the slowdown.. people is not willing to buy anything and financing is not so easy which means projects may develop slower and demand less labor force.
It's a global problem!



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3928 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
They have to be cheap to convince passengers to fly such a devious and time-consuming route, more than 2000 miles further than a nonstop

You have a point here. But the problem is LHR has no non-stops from NGO and for that matter KIX very soon as well.

Int'l destinations from us are: CDG, FRA, HEL.

There has been calls to open up new direct routes to LHR, but I think they are losing Japan flights really badly. JL used to have double daily from NRT as well as BA. Now JL is one time daily and BA is following suite very soon.

In addition, JL's KIX-LHR is being axed soon.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3919 times:



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 17):
Int'l destinations from us are: CDG, FRA, HEL.

Just out of interest, what happened to AMS?


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3836 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 18):
Just out of interest, what happened to AMS?

I don't think we have had AMS service at NGO for quite a long time. Maybe since 2001?



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3813 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 10):
If it is 2010, this could be some of the new slots for NRT related to the 2nd runway extension.

AY also will get the desired new slots for NRT in 2010, the HEL-NRT will be 7x weekly then.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3629 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 18):
Just out of interest, what happened to AMS?

Yes, its a pity because as Centrair states, it ended shortly after 9-11 I think.

It was operated NGO-SPK-AMS. I have no idea why this was the case, but I hear that the old NGO runway was short. But considering that NW at that time did do NGO-DTW, I am quite uncertain as to why the MD-11 couldn't make it non-stop.

I wish this service would come back, but other than passenger revenue, I think there was some cargo revenue on this flight as well though.....

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
Not all of them are located in NGO area

Yes I think there is a large Brazilian settlement in Gunma prefecture as well. I would reckon those people would use the NRT service when EK comes in.

What surprises me is the KIX service though. There are no large Brazilian population in the Kansai area, and every other airline is suspending routes. In addition, EK parks their aircraft at KIX for quite some time so I would reckon that their operation is not cheap.

Does anyone know if they are doing well on this route? Cargo perhaps?



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3234 times:



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 21):
Yes I think there is a large Brazilian settlement in Gunma prefecture as well. I would reckon those people would use the NRT service when EK comes in.

Yes. There is a Brazilian population in Kanto but it is not as large as the Chubu population.
Currently I believe EK has a deal to connect with JL domestic flights including the NGO-NRT flight. If this continues, then EK doesn't have to necessarily increase Chubu but can just reroute passengers through NRT via JL.

I think that Tokyo service will work for business and connecting leisure and not so much for immigrants.

What will be interesting is if EK will run an A380 on DXB-NRT and only runs 772 on the other Japan routes.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2886 times:



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 21):
Yes I think there is a large Brazilian settlement in Gunma prefecture as well. I would reckon those people would use the NRT service when EK comes in.



Quoting Centrair (Reply 22):
Yes. There is a Brazilian population in Kanto but it is not as large as the Chubu population.

Thanks for the information. We also have to keep into perspective that overall business continues to use NRT as the main hub and Japan-Brazil is also a very strong business, high yielding route. JL sells extremely well its F and C class products to GRU.

Rgs,


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