NEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 680 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8185 times:
Sorry if this has been on here before but i just saw this amusing video of the flight deck crew cleaning the windows whilst waiting for clearance.
It just brings down to earth, so to speak, the normality of air travel and of course, they never get that offer at the traffic lights of some geezer wanting to clean your screen for you..
MrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1203 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7993 times:
If only you could put the first few second of that video on a loop and play the benny hill music in the background.
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NEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 680 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7988 times:
And another thought that crosses my mind, there's probably a 100+ or so passengers behind em that would have no idea what theyre up to on the flight deck and if you told them, they would probably think your mad.
There isnt really a dark side to the moon, as a matter of fact its all dark!
WILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78 Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7974 times:
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Quoting NEMA (Reply 3): And another thought that crosses my mind, there's probably a 100+ or so passengers behind em that would have no idea what theyre up to on the flight deck and if you told them, they would probably think your mad.
Why mad? It is the way we clean our windows. We cannot get out like in a car and clean it. And all this dirt can be pretty annoying. So just stick your head out, clean the window and you have a clear view again. Like you do it in a car as well
WILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78 Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7725 times:
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Quoting NEMA (Reply 6): Simply because i thought that ground maintenance staff did it from cherry pickers
Sometimes they are so busy that they won't be on time at your postition, so either you leave with a dirt window or you clean it by yourself. I have cleaned my window a lot of times on my own. During summertime when the sun was setting, jeez, didn't know that so many bugs are in the air...
Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7697 times:
LOL Excellent! Now we just need to loop the first few seconds. As if they're cleaning did nothing and they need to try again.
Quoting NEMA (Reply 6): Simply because i thought that ground maintenance staff did it from cherry pickers
When it goes in for checks yes, and when deicing occurs yes. But generally, they don't get cleaned very often. Imagine if there was a cherry picker going to every plane that landed and clean it at the gate (which have you seen more then once or twice?). And they couldn't just do the dirty ones...you can't schedule that, nor radio it in as you go. If it's so bad that the pilots can't get it (or reach it), yes a truck can usually be called it.
Typically, pilots will clean them while they are at the gate. It's possible in this situation, they could not tell they were that dirty when at the gate, or they simply forgot lol.
WILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78 Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7636 times:
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Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 8): Typically, pilots will clean them while they are at the gate. It's possible in this situation, they could not tell they were that dirty when at the gate, or they simply forgot lol.
I guess forgot is usually the problem You sit there at the gate and think: nah, I'll do it in a minute. then you are doing something else, suddenly you pushing back and taxiing. Now holding short of the runway, thinkin: now I konw what I forgot Open the window and clean it and off you go
Dvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1719 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7306 times:
Here's a question... since the 787s windows will not open, how would you clean them from the flight deck?
WILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78 Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7182 times:
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Quoting Dvincent (Reply 10): since the 787s windows will not open, how would you clean them from the flight deck?
Same as the 744 windows: you cannot. When they won't open, you cannot get out from the cockpit and clean it. So only the ground staff can do it then with a ladder or something.
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1672 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6034 times:
Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 11): Same as the 744 windows: you cannot. When they won't open, you cannot get out from the cockpit and clean it. So only the ground staff can do it then with a ladder or something.
Then what about the windsheild wipers, do they spray windsheild washer fluid on the windows, like they do on cars?
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DZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 481 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4760 times:
incidentally, I saw a Jet2 757 identical to the one in the video at ewr about 10 days ago. I thought that was unusual. Do they fly to the US or was it a charter flight?
Psych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 2968 posts, RR: 60 Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4760 times:
I must admit that I had thought that the crew were dealing with icing on the windshield. From a distance it looked like the Skipper was using some kind of implement on the window. Aircraft were being de-iced on stand that morning.
Either way, they were very speedy and efficient, and as soon as they had appeared they were gone inside again.
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1672 posts, RR: 15 Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4734 times:
Quoting DZ09 (Reply 13): incidentally, I saw a Jet2 757 identical to the one in the video at ewr about 10 days ago. I thought that was unusual. Do they fly to the US or was it a charter flight?
AFAIK they fly to EWR seasonal.
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DogBreath From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3219 times:
Without being too negative about this window cleaning video, wouldn't it be safer to have had only one pilot at a time out of his/her seat cleaning their window, with the other pilot seated. Surely with a plane load of passengers (an assumption!) and both engines running who's in 'control' of the aircraft and guarding the parking brake. Just an AIRMANSHIP point of view.
Antonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3080 times:
Quoting DogBreath (Reply 19): Without being too negative about this window cleaning video, wouldn't it be safer to have had only one pilot at a time out of his/her seat cleaning their window, with the other pilot seated.
DogBreath, you sound like one of those people who don't leave the house in case you get knocked down by a car
DogBreath From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2862 times:
Quoting Antonovman (Reply 21): DogBreath, you sound like one of those people who don't leave the house in case you get knocked down by a car
Whilst I can't vouch for Jet2's SOP's and their CRM policies, I can say that after having flown for the Air Force and two major Airlines over a 27 year period, the SOP's (for all three) have categorically stated that, "whenever the aircraft is under it's own power each flight crew member required to be on the flight deck shall be correctly seated at his/her station, with seat belt and shoulder harness secured. The shoulder harness rule usually relaxed above FL100, and each flight crew member required to be on flightdeck duty shall remain at his/her station unless their absence is necessary for the performance of his/her duties in connection with the operation of the aircraft, or for physiological needs, provided at least one suitably qualified flight crew member remains at the controls of the aircraft at all times." Fairly cut and dry really.
One of the principles of CRM is Threat and Error management, and maybe the risk of a quick window wash by both pilots at the same time is quite low, but why take that risk. Aviation is full of incidents and accidents that have been the result of a seemingly innocent breach of SOP's.
Anyway Antanovman I gotta go, try and drag myself out of bed, take off my cotton wool suit and venture out into the traffic.
Nwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3324 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2827 times:
Quoting NEMA (Reply 6): Simply because i thought that ground maintenance staff did it from cherry pickers
Nope, we do it the same way as you see in the picture... Actually much safer than using a ladder...
The A319/320 & 757s are easy; cleaning a DC9's windows requires you to be a contortionist...
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JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2685 times:
actually I'm not familiar with jet2 here in the states. at first i though maybe it was a NW or Abx plane then the red cowlings threw me for a loop
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