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Amusing Video Cleaning Flight Deck Windows  
User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 717 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9062 times:

Sorry if this has been on here before but i just saw this amusing video of the flight deck crew cleaning the windows whilst waiting for clearance.


It just brings down to earth, so to speak, the normality of air travel and of course, they never get that offer at the traffic lights of some geezer wanting to clean your screen for you..

Here is the link..

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...Jet2_com_Aviation_Video-11118.html


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9038 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8997 times:
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User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8870 times:

If only you could put the first few second of that video on a loop and play the benny hill music in the background.  Smile


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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8865 times:

And another thought that crosses my mind, there's probably a 100+ or so passengers behind em that would have no idea what theyre up to on the flight deck and if you told them, they would probably think your mad.


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9038 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8851 times:
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Quoting NEMA (Reply 3):
And another thought that crosses my mind, there's probably a 100+ or so passengers behind em that would have no idea what theyre up to on the flight deck and if you told them, they would probably think your mad.

Why mad? It is the way we clean our windows. We cannot get out like in a car and clean it. And all this dirt can be pretty annoying. So just stick your head out, clean the window and you have a clear view again. Like you do it in a car as well  Wink

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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8718 times:



Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 2):
If only you could put the first few second of that video on a loop and play the benny hill music in the background

A bit like this?
http://james.nerdiphythesoul.com/bennyhillifier/?id=rC1WrovXKmk



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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8685 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 4):
Why mad? It is the way we clean our windows.

Simply because i thought that ground maintenance staff did it from cherry pickers



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9038 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8602 times:
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Quoting NEMA (Reply 6):
Simply because i thought that ground maintenance staff did it from cherry pickers

Sometimes they are so busy that they won't be on time at your postition, so either you leave with a dirt window or you clean it by yourself. I have cleaned my window a lot of times on my own. During summertime when the sun was setting, jeez, didn't know that so many bugs are in the air...  Wink

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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8574 times:



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 5):
A bit like this?
http://james.nerdiphythesoul.com/ben...vXKmk

LOL Excellent! Now we just need to loop the first few seconds. As if they're cleaning did nothing and they need to try again.

Quoting NEMA (Reply 6):
Simply because i thought that ground maintenance staff did it from cherry pickers

When it goes in for checks yes, and when deicing occurs yes. But generally, they don't get cleaned very often. Imagine if there was a cherry picker going to every plane that landed and clean it at the gate (which have you seen more then once or twice?). And they couldn't just do the dirty ones...you can't schedule that, nor radio it in as you go. If it's so bad that the pilots can't get it (or reach it), yes a truck can usually be called it.

Typically, pilots will clean them while they are at the gate. It's possible in this situation, they could not tell they were that dirty when at the gate, or they simply forgot lol.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9038 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8513 times:
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Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 8):
Typically, pilots will clean them while they are at the gate. It's possible in this situation, they could not tell they were that dirty when at the gate, or they simply forgot lol.

I guess forgot is usually the problem Big grin You sit there at the gate and think: nah, I'll do it in a minute. then you are doing something else, suddenly you pushing back and taxiing. Now holding short of the runway, thinkin: now I konw what I forgot Big grin Open the window and clean it and off you go  Wink

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User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1744 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8183 times:
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Here's a question... since the 787s windows will not open, how would you clean them from the flight deck?


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9038 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8059 times:
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Quoting Dvincent (Reply 10):
since the 787s windows will not open, how would you clean them from the flight deck?

Same as the 744 windows: you cannot. When they won't open, you cannot get out from the cockpit and clean it. So only the ground staff can do it then with a ladder or something.

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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6911 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 11):
Same as the 744 windows: you cannot. When they won't open, you cannot get out from the cockpit and clean it. So only the ground staff can do it then with a ladder or something.

Then what about the windsheild wipers, do they spray windsheild washer fluid on the windows, like they do on cars?



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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

incidentally, I saw a Jet2 757 identical to the one in the video at ewr about 10 days ago. I thought that was unusual. Do they fly to the US or was it a charter flight?

User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5637 times:
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I must admit that I had thought that the crew were dealing with icing on the windshield. From a distance it looked like the Skipper was using some kind of implement on the window. Aircraft were being de-iced on stand that morning.

Either way, they were very speedy and efficient, and as soon as they had appeared they were gone inside again.

Paul


User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5611 times:



Quoting DZ09 (Reply 13):
incidentally, I saw a Jet2 757 identical to the one in the video at ewr about 10 days ago. I thought that was unusual. Do they fly to the US or was it a charter flight?

AFAIK they fly to EWR seasonal.



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4866 times:
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My understanding is that the airline flies as far as North Africa, so I don't know what they would have been doing in the States. A one off?

Paul


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9038 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4647 times:
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Quoting LH4116 (Reply 12):
Then what about the windsheild wipers, do they spray windsheild washer fluid on the windows, like they do on cars?

No, they don't spray anything, it is just the windshiled wipers and in our manual it says: "Do no use windshield wiper on dry window."

Quoting Psych (Reply 14):
I must admit that I had thought that the crew were dealing with icing on the windshield.

Maybe they removed some de- icing fluid which was on the windshield.

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4414 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 12):
Then what about the windsheild wipers, do they spray windsheild washer fluid on the windows, like they do on cars

No washer fluid available.However earlier Rain repellant spray was present,but used only on wet windshields.
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User currently offlineDogBreath From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Without being too negative about this window cleaning video, wouldn't it be safer to have had only one pilot at a time out of his/her seat cleaning their window, with the other pilot seated. Surely with a plane load of passengers (an assumption!) and both engines running who's in 'control' of the aircraft and guarding the parking brake. Just an AIRMANSHIP point of view.  scratchchin 


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User currently offlineA340313X From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

cool!

*plays it again just for that glorious RB211 whine*


User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3957 times:



Quoting DogBreath (Reply 19):
Without being too negative about this window cleaning video, wouldn't it be safer to have had only one pilot at a time out of his/her seat cleaning their window, with the other pilot seated.

DogBreath, you sound like one of those people who don't leave the house in case you get knocked down by a car


User currently offlineDogBreath From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 3739 times:



Quoting Antonovman (Reply 21):
DogBreath, you sound like one of those people who don't leave the house in case you get knocked down by a car

Whilst I can't vouch for Jet2's SOP's and their CRM policies, I can say that after having flown for the Air Force and two major Airlines over a 27 year period, the SOP's (for all three) have categorically stated that, "whenever the aircraft is under it's own power each flight crew member required to be on the flight deck shall be correctly seated at his/her station, with seat belt and shoulder harness secured. The shoulder harness rule usually relaxed above FL100, and each flight crew member required to be on flightdeck duty shall remain at his/her station unless their absence is necessary for the performance of his/her duties in connection with the operation of the aircraft, or for physiological needs, provided at least one suitably qualified flight crew member remains at the controls of the aircraft at all times." Fairly cut and dry really.

One of the principles of CRM is Threat and Error management, and maybe the risk of a quick window wash by both pilots at the same time is quite low, but why take that risk. Aviation is full of incidents and accidents that have been the result of a seemingly innocent breach of SOP's.

Anyway Antanovman I gotta go, try and drag myself out of bed, take off my cotton wool suit and venture out into the traffic.  boxedin 



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 3704 times:



Quoting NEMA (Reply 6):
Simply because i thought that ground maintenance staff did it from cherry pickers

Nope, we do it the same way as you see in the picture... Actually much safer than using a ladder...

The A319/320 & 757s are easy; cleaning a DC9's windows requires you to be a contortionist...  Big grin



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User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

actually I'm not familiar with jet2 here in the states. at first i though maybe it was a NW or Abx plane then the red cowlings threw me for a loop


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