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TAM To Offer Additional GRU-MIA Flights  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5534 times:
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In order to allow TAM to accomodate additional demand between Brazil and Miami, even after increasing MAO and start GIG, TAM will, using the availability created by a new A332 to be received, increase it's current GRU-MIA route from 13 (+1 thru SSA) to 17x (+1x thru SSA)

Consider from Jan 16 to March 1st*

JJ9354 GRU 0130 MIA 0640 - A332 - Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun
JJ9355 MIA 1800 GRU 0510 - A332 - Mon/Wed/Fri
JJ9381 MIA 1205 GRU 2315 - A332 - Sun

* small change on Feb 14 due to the end of daylight saving in Brazil

TAM network to MIA

17x GRU A332
07x GIG B763
07x MAO B763
01x SSA A332

TAM to the United States

32x MIA
18x JFK
07x MCO


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Wow, TAM's capacity to MIA is impressive.

Any word on the planned BSB/increased SSA service?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5486 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Any word on the planned BSB/increased SSA service?

No news up to now, but more news expected during January/February. May be JNB as new destination or plane upgrade on GIG-JFK and/or a new flight to MIA.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Wow, TAM's capacity to MIA is impressive.

Yes, they will have 3 planes almost together. And the extra flight will allow TAM to offer a better product as one A332 will be the entire day on ground, allowing more ponctuality on their flights.
I just believe they can use 1 A320 back on MAO-MIA-MAO allowing the creation of a product like MIA-BSB-GIG daylight.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5464 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
I just believe they can use 1 A320 back on MAO-MIA-MAO allowing the creation of a product like MIA-BSB-GIG daylight.

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In my opinion, they should do MIA-MAO-BEL with an A320.

And then, use the 763 to do a daylight with a stop rotating between BSB (4x a week) and FOR (3x a week).

This gives excellent coverage between Miami and Brazil.



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5444 times:

Any news on GRU-MCO loads?

Don't you guys think there is over capacity right now? The signs of slow AA MIA-SSA-REC clearly indicates this?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5437 times:



Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 4):


Don't you guys think there is over capacity right now? The signs of slow AA MIA-SSA-REC clearly indicates this?

If the route was really doing that poorly, AA would put their new 75Ls on it, which go into service in a few weeks. A huge over reaction to a short, two month seasonal cut.

Fact is that MIA-CNF is doing fine, MIA-SSA-REC is doing okay, and ATL-FOR-REC is also doing fine. ATL-MAO is the only loser so far.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Thanks for the new, Lipe.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Wow, TAM's capacity to MIA is impressive.

Indeed, this is just amazing. Even with new MCO flight TAM still finds room in GRU for more flights to MIA.  Wow!

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5182 times:
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Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 4):
Any news on GRU-MCO loads?

First flights were not good, some even depart with 0C. Loads are improving, but due to the peak season demand. We will have a better picture after February.

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 4):
Don't you guys think there is over capacity right now? The signs of slow AA MIA-SSA-REC clearly indicates this?

No Tony, the fact is the fares are moving down (because they were too high a few months ago), back to normal levels because of additional demand and lower fuel prices.
With such new "fare level" we shall see how demand will react, so i expect the economic downturn will just be offset by the additional demand generated by lower fares.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
Indeed, this is just amazing. Even with new MCO flight TAM still finds room in GRU for more flights to MIA.

As we agree, without further restrictions, TAM has all the capabilites to run several flights from GRU to where they want. At this time, i would say they even can fly to JNB, LAD, MEX, BOG, a second MAD, FCO and others, just by using the advantage of a strong network and hub banks. They can build similar situation at BSB and GIG but without restrictions, why not GRU...!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5165 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):

First flights were not good, some even depart with 0C. Loads are improving, but due to the peak season demand. We will have a better picture after February.

Not surprising to see weak C loads.

Do they still plan on acquiring an additional 763 (was it from Air Madagascar?) or removing C seats?

I really think they should switch the A330 to MIA-GIG/MAO; even though the A330 might be too big for MAO, using it on GIG might be a good enough trade-off.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5149 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Not surprising to see weak C loads.

Do they still plan on acquiring an additional 763 (was it from Air Madagascar?) or removing C seats?

I really think they should switch the A330 to MIA-GIG/MAO; even though the A330 might be too big for MAO, using it on GIG might be a good enough trade-off.

The 767 AFAIK is at POA and TAM is having hard times. I'm trying to get an update on it's current status. That 767 has a 20C 240Y, that would be very interesting for MCO.

About the A330 on MIA-GIG, i agree with you, they might use better on MIA or even JFK routes out of GIG. But the info i got from TAM is that a possible upgrade on GIG-JFK to A332 can happen by March/09



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4921 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
The 767 AFAIK is at POA and TAM is having hard times. I'm trying to get an update on it's current status. That 767 has a 20C 240Y, that would be very interesting for MCO.

About the A330 on MIA-GIG, i agree with you, they might use better on MIA or even JFK routes out of GIG. But the info i got from TAM is that a possible upgrade on GIG-JFK to A332 can happen by March/09

This means that in 2009 TAM will have one A330 (currently doing seasonal MIA-GRU additional frequencies) and one B767 free for new routes or capacity increase. Correct?
Btw, wasnt TAM planning to use widebodies for some selected flights to EZE?

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4873 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10):
Btw, wasnt TAM planning to use widebodies for some selected flights to EZE?

One GRU-EZE will be upgraded to A332 year-round. This is to fight for more C/F connections (however seems that only C will be available)



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4782 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
This is to fight for more C/F connections (however seems that only C will be available)

and cargo or?

btw. what happened with the GRU-CCS-MIA-CCS-GRU flight they planed some weeks ago?



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4774 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 12):
btw. what happened with the GRU-CCS-MIA-CCS-GRU flight they planed some weeks ago?

Perhaps is coming in 2009, but I havent heard anything yet.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
One GRU-EZE will be upgraded to A332 year-round. This is to fight for more C/F connections (however seems that only C will be available)

Thanks for reminding us of this important aspect.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4638 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 12):
and cargo or?

btw. what happened with the GRU-CCS-MIA-CCS-GRU flight they planed some weeks ago?

I will check, right now no further info. Do you think Government of Venezuela will allow this quickly ?

Quoting Avianca (Reply 12):
and cargo or?

Ops, thanks for the correction, cargo also !



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4607 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
I will check, right now no further info. Do you think Government of Venezuela will allow this quickly ?

as per my understanding it was already approved / isnt it also in the bilateral ?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4588 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 15):
as per my understanding it was already approved / isnt it also in the bilateral ?

On the bilateral yes, approved i don't think so. But let me check on ANAC and TAM.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

This means we will have 17 weekly TAM MIA-GRU while AA will operate 28 weekly MIA-GRU (2 B777 + 2 B767), total of 45 wekly flights. Is AA operating 4 daily MIA-GRU all days of the Season? Is AA operating the additional season flights to GIG as well or TAM GIG-MIA has detered AA to increase flights this time?

I have the impression someone will get hurt with this fight...

Rgs,


User currently offlineL1011buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

Is RG doing anything to the USA right now?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4413 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
This means we will have 17 weekly TAM MIA-GRU while AA will operate 28 weekly MIA-GRU (2 B777 + 2 B767), total of 45 wekly flights. Is AA operating 4 daily MIA-GRU all days of the Season? Is AA operating the additional season flights to GIG as well or TAM GIG-MIA has detered AA to increase flights this time?

In fact the seasonal flight AA flies GRU-MIA will finish just a few weeks after TAM begin it's seasonal flight GRU-MIA. AA only runs 28 weekly flights MIA-GRU up to Jan 28 and 12 weekly MIA-GIG (with 5 additional/seasonal services) up to April 15.

Interesting to see that AA website shows daylight MIA-GRU as 763 and daylight GRU-MIA as 772 for the same dates. And considering there's no overnight flight GRU-DFW/MIA/JFK with 763, i expect some change soon (or adjust MIA-GRU daylight as 772)



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4408 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
In fact the seasonal flight AA flies GRU-MIA will finish just a few weeks after TAM begin it's seasonal flight GRU-MIA. AA only runs 28 weekly flights MIA-GRU up to Jan 28 and 12 weekly MIA-GIG (with 5 additional/seasonal services) up to April 15.

Interesting to see that AA website shows daylight MIA-GRU as 763 and daylight GRU-MIA as 772 for the same dates. And considering there's no overnight flight GRU-DFW/MIA/JFK with 763, i expect some change soon (or adjust MIA-GRU daylight as 772)

Thanks for the information because I have completely lost track of the capacity and frequency of AA between GRU-MIA and GIG-MIA....AA and TAM are constanly introducing changes, either in equipment or frequencies...It is very hard to keep updated...

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4391 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 20):
Thanks for the information because I have completely lost track of the capacity and frequency of AA between GRU-MIA and GIG-MIA....AA and TAM are constanly introducing changes, either in equipment or frequencies...It is very hard to keep updated...

I know. I have the same problem, even flying a lot between Brazil and US. And up to now, fares are the same, only the Economy fares drop a lot, but TAM keep charging "a premium" from it's customers.
It's incredible how they manage to get a higher yield (you can't find a first seat on Business from GIG or GRU to JFK or MIA for less than US$ 4,000)



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4266 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
I know. I have the same problem, even flying a lot between Brazil and US. And up to now, fares are the same, only the Economy fares drop a lot, but TAM keep charging "a premium" from it's customers.
It's incredible how they manage to get a higher yield (you can't find a first seat on Business from GIG or GRU to JFK or MIA for less than US$ 4,000)

Correct, Lipe. I also agree that TAM charges a premium for its customers, probably because they have a lot of corporate contracts already with discounted fares (?). Fares continue high, but I do not think the situation is sustainable. We had a dramatic expansion in seat supply and network coverage between US and Brazil in 2008 and some adjustments would be necessary in 2009. It would also help if Brazil dropped (or at least facilitated) the visa requirement for US citizens.

The waiting time for US VISA issuance in Brazil has also decreased significantly following the "task force" by the Department of State. Waiting time in Sao Paulo dropped from 90 days to 3 days, in Brasilia and Recife to 2 and 9 days respectively, and in Rio waiting time decreased from 114 days to 29 days.

http://brasilia.usembassy.gov/?action=materia&id=7422&itemmenu=

We all know that DL/CO/AA have requested US consulate to speed up visa issuance for Brazilians. There are rumours that the US will open a consular mission in MAO by the end of 2009.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4221 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22):
Correct, Lipe. I also agree that TAM charges a premium for its customers, probably because they have a lot of corporate contracts already with discounted fares (?). Fares continue high, but I do not think the situation is sustainable. We had a dramatic expansion in seat supply and network coverage between US and Brazil in 2008 and some adjustments would be necessary in 2009. It would also help if Brazil dropped (or at least facilitated) the visa requirement for US citizens.

They have some agreements, but mostly sales are on published fares (Brazil-XXXX). Sales outside Brazil to points in Brazil generally are available thru consolidators with lower fares than the ones on their website.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22):
The waiting time for US VISA issuance in Brazil has also decreased significantly following the "task force" by the Department of State. Waiting time in Sao Paulo dropped from 90 days to 3 days, in Brasilia and Recife to 2 and 9 days respectively, and in Rio waiting time decreased from 114 days to 29 days.

For me this is because US probably is thinking in include Brazil on Visa Waiver Program. This effort to reduce the waiting time could be an effort to increase revenue before it become free.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4177 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 23):
For me this is because US probably is thinking in include Brazil on Visa Waiver Program. This effort to reduce the waiting time could be an effort to increase revenue before it become free.

I agree and the next step will be to include Brazil in the visa waiver program (VWP) the same way South Korea was included this year.

Rgs,


25 LipeGIG : Lets wait, i expect US to announce such change very soon. Now only need to fix Rio's demand for Visa, them can become free as there's no line... they
26 Java6673 : Lipe, For me completely wrong decision, Passenger Load factor for all TAM flight at US is less of 50% (MIA, MCO, MAO, GIG) and cargo almost 10% for M
27 Edhugo : I don't think those numbers are correct. For what I hear and see, Load Factor is above 70% in both paxs and cargo Happy New Year !!!!
28 Hardiwv : I also have info that TAM LF for US routes ex GRU and GIG are all above 70% and this information is confirmed because fares (in all classes) continue
29 LipeGIG : Java, current "average" numbers GIG-JFK 90% GRU-MIA 90% GRU-JFK 85% GIG-MIA 85% GRU-MCO 80% MAO-MIA 70% Routes under their average LF: GIG-GRU-CCS GR
30 Hardiwv : Very impressive numbers. Thanks for sharing the data. My views for the poor performers: 1. CCS: you forgot to add the stop in MAO, which in my opinio
31 Java6673 : Those number are from Brazil, but from USA those number are a little different, Pax from US are right very low in comparison to same date last year,
32 LipeGIG : Yes, but from this day on, numbers on US-Brazil are showing good performance and will remain like that till Jan 20. People that can't travel before J
33 Avianca : space into Brazil from US is tight and tariffs are high very good possible, specially the northbound flight is terrible scheduled with a stop at 03:0
34 Hardiwv : I agree, Lipe. GRU-MCO will be a market which will need to see how it dvelopes during the year. The verdict is still too early. LA is great in fighti
35 Java6673 : Yes, Right now there is no cargo at all for this route, maybe is just the time of the year, but for me was just a wrong decision replace the equipmen
36 C010T3 : But there are tons of overweight bags!!!
37 LipeGIG : RG/G3 should hold 2 763 for BOG/CCS flights, and even look for 2 772A in the near future. They could use them as a experience for further internation
38 MAH4546 : Even if the 763 is too big an aircraft for MIA-MAO's passenger demands - which is the truth - you have to consider the trade-off between sending a 763
39 LipeGIG : In my view, a daylight MIA-GIG with stop at BSB or CNF or Northeast, would be the best use of the 2 763.
40 Java6673 : Agree with that
41 Hardiwv : A daylight MIA-GIG nonstop in my view would be better and also avoid any disruption or delays (you know how are airport delays in Brazil). BSB-MIA no
42 LipeGIG : There's time Hardi. MIA isn't so far as JFK, and both GIG and MIA airports are not overcapacity. BSB and CNF are on direct route to MIA from GIG. Cur
43 Hardiwv : Interesting schedule. As mentioned before, TAM could also look at CCS operating for example GIG-CCS-MIA (the same schedule you planned but replacing
44 LipeGIG : Good point, it's also possible. CNF, BSB, MAO and CCS are the regular route from Southeast of Brazil to MIA. Any stop in these city's will not delay
45 Hardiwv : Good point here. It is high time for TAM to deploy wide bodies on the busy GIG-BSB route. As you said, linking GIG-BSB with MIA you also provide more
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