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BA To Downgrade BA27/28 To 3 Class 772  
User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

From 8 June 2009, ba.com is showing BA27/28 LHR-HKG-LHR operated by a 3 class Boeing 777-200ER. Is this the first time BA will be operating the 777 to HKG? Also, anyone know if or where the 744 will be redeployed?

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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8383 times:

IIRC BA is parking some 744's could this be the result of that?


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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

I'm suprised it's a 3-class 777. At least if they are downgrading the aircraft, I thought it would be a 4-class. Is there not a lot of premium traffic on this route?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8379 times:



Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):
I'm suprised it's a 3-class 777. At least if they are downgrading the aircraft, I thought it would be a 4-class. Is there not a lot of premium traffic on this route?

With the global economic crisis there is less premium traffic on almost all routes. There is another thread mentioning that CX premium traffic has dropped about 25% in the past couple of months.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

Interesting.. scratchchin ...this is one route where Walsh specifically stated they were planning on sending the A380 to. Of course, things could possibly pick up by the time they receive their birds.

I wonder if this is one route where they plan on eventually flying their B77W's to.



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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8123 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
Interesting..  ...this is one route where Walsh specifically stated they were planning on sending the A380 to. Of course, things could possibly pick up by the time they receive their birds.

I wonder if this is one route where they plan on eventually flying their B77W's to.

I suspect we might see a mix. 2 daily 380s could not replace 3 daily 744s, so we could see a combination on 380s, 744s and 77Ws. Only time will tell.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):
Is there not a lot of premium traffic on this route?

There is a lot a premium traffic on the route. At certain times of the year all 3 daily flights leave completely full in all classes. I fly the route a lot and I would say the average J load is 80%. W and Y tend to run hot and cold. One day they may all be full, the next completely empty.

I think the problem might be First. I flew out to HKG in First just last week. It was completely full, but on 6 passengers had paid to fly First. Everyone else was upgrades because the rest of the flight was full.

Using the 3 class 772 would only mean a drop of 4 J seats, so BA could reduce the number of F, W and Y seats on the route whilst maintaining the number of J seats.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8047 times:

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 5):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
Interesting.. ...this is one route where Walsh specifically stated they were planning on sending the A380 to. Of course, things could possibly pick up by the time they receive their birds.

I wonder if this is one route where they plan on eventually flying their B77W's to.

I suspect we might see a mix. 2 daily 380s could not replace 3 daily 744s, so we could see a combination on 380s, 744s and 77Ws. Only time will tell.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):
Is there not a lot of premium traffic on this route?

There is a lot a premium traffic on the route. At certain times of the year all 3 daily flights leave completely full in all classes. I fly the route a lot and I would say the average J load is 80%. W and Y tend to run hot and cold. One day they may all be full, the next completely empty.

I think the problem might be First. I flew out to HKG in First just last week. It was completely full, but on 6 passengers had paid to fly First. Everyone else was upgrades because the rest of the flight was full.

Using the 3 class 772 would only mean a drop of 4 J seats, so BA could reduce the number of F, W and Y seats on the route whilst maintaining the number of J seats.

Thanks for the observations.   

There is quite a bit of competition with BA, CX and NZ all flying the route.

edit:add VS to the route as well...

[Edited 2008-12-23 19:48:52]


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User currently offlineQantasistheway From Australia, joined May 2008, 315 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7982 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
There is quite a bit of competition with BA, CX and NZ all flying the route.

edit:add VS to the route as well...

Don't forget QF.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7898 times:



Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):
I'm suprised it's a 3-class 777. At least if they are downgrading the aircraft, I thought it would be a 4-class.

Looking at the number of F seats available for Z-class award redemption on the 3 daily B744 flights even before the financial crisis struck, I'd say that the 42 daily seats were definitely too much F-capacity for the route, hence a 3-class rather than a 4-class 777.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7714 times:



Quoting Qantasistheway (Reply 7):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
There is quite a bit of competition with BA, CX and NZ all flying the route.

edit:add VS to the route as well...

Don't forget QF.

You are totally correct.  checkmark 

BA
CX
VS
NZ

Running though some Y-prices for Feb. 09, I found nonstop for $683 (U.S. dollars) including taxes on BA+QF and $537 one stop on QR with $629 with KL+AF....that is cheap!



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

BA are looking more at their schedule matching capacity with demand. BA will also deploy a 3 class 777 on the MRU from May to Oct.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7617 times:

But it always seems that BA downgrades their Aisan routes. They have never changed any of their west coast US routes, e.g. the LAX serivce, which is 3 744s every day. They could send a 777 and 2 744s instead, why dont they do it??


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User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7511 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 11):
But it always seems that BA downgrades their Aisan routes. They have never changed any of their west coast US routes, e.g. the LAX serivce, which is 3 744s every day.

There's only 2 daily LAXs for chunks of next year, I'd say thats a bigger cut.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7407 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 11):
But it always seems that BA downgrades their Aisan routes. They have never changed any of their west coast US routes, e.g. the LAX serivce, which is 3 744s every day. They could send a 777 and 2 744s instead, why dont they do it??

Part of the reason is that BA doesn't have unlimited resources so every decision has to be taken carefully. And add to it HKG is further than LAX from LHR so uses more fuel, so there is more of a saving to be had using a 777 there than there is to LAX.

Coupled to the fact that the HKG route takes the aircraft out of LHR for about 36 hours, whereas with the LAX route the aircraft is gone for about 24 hours so they can perhaps utilise the 744's more efficiently meaning they can take some more out of service and park them.

I imagine with the new BA 777's coming over the next few years more and more 744 routes will move to the 777, look at what SQ have been doing, they have been increasing the 777 fleet and moving them on to 744 routes and reducing the size of that fleet.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7315 times:



Quoting Theginge (Reply 13):
I imagine with the new BA 777's coming over the next few years more and more 744 routes will move to the 777, look at what SQ have been doing, they have been increasing the 777 fleet and moving them on to 744 routes and reducing the size of that fleet.

SQ have also beeen introducing the A380 as well, so it's more of a topping and tailing than a simple reduction of capacity?



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

Finally, after years of rumours of 777s to HKG, it seems we will finally see some!

User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3362 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6676 times:

So if it is a three class 777 does it mean

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similar to the Gatwick 777 fleet?



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6495 times:



Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 16):
So if it is a three class 777 does it mean

Club
World Traveller plus
WT

similar to the Gatwick 777 fleet?

Similar to part of the Gatwick 777 fleet. Heathrow has more 3-class aircraft than Gatwick.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6306 times:



Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 16):
So if it is a three class 777 does it mean

Club
World Traveller plus
WT

According to seatguru.com:

Club World Class: 73.0" 20.0" 36 Flat bed seats More Info
World Traveler Plus Class: 38.0" 18.5" 24 seats with 2 more inches of recline
World Traveler Class: 31.0" 17.5" 212 seats



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User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6181 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
According to seatguru.com:

Club World Class: 73.0" 20.0" 36 Flat bed seats More Info
World Traveler Plus Class: 38.0" 18.5" 24 seats with 2 more inches of recline
World Traveler Class: 31.0" 17.5" 212 seats

The correct config is J48 W24 M203


User currently offlineChris7217 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2002, 169 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5895 times:
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Which 777 equipment BA will use for the route to HKG? Powered by GE or RR engines?

The routes to PVG as well as SIN and SYD are operated only by 777s equipped with RR engines...

Chris


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5789 times:



Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 19):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
According to seatguru.com:

Club World Class: 73.0" 20.0" 36 Flat bed seats More Info
World Traveler Plus Class: 38.0" 18.5" 24 seats with 2 more inches of recline
World Traveler Class: 31.0" 17.5" 212 seats

The correct config is J48 W24 M203

Thanks  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineAer lingus From Ireland, joined Mar 2001, 529 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4352 times:



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 15):
Finally, after years of rumours of 777s to HKG, it seems we will finally see some!

AF also sends 777s from Europe to HKG but not from the UK



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3818 times:



Quoting Aer lingus (Reply 22):
AF also sends 777s from Europe to HKG but not from the UK

Thanks, yes I know that. We get plenty of 777s in HKGbut I meant this will be the first time we get a BA 777 apart from when big-ears came in 97 to hand back HKG to China.....or was that even a 744? I can't remember now!


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3808 times:
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Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 16):
So if it is a three class 777 does it mean



Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 16):
Club
World Traveller plus
WT

Could the 777 have a new Club world? BA also has a new First Called PRIME, the difference between Club and First/Prime has to be small.


25 B747-4U3 : I think that might have been a 744. Anyway, the best part of that was Prince Charles only flew in Business Class! He only realised it was Business Cl
26 Dano1977 : It was a B744, a classic episode of the BBC series "Airport" The Plane was started up and ready to taxi, when they found out that current BA chief ex
27 BA777ER236 : They will be the RR a/c, G-YMMA,B,C,D,E,F and G-YMMR,S,T & U. Non of the GE a/c have the required crew rest facilities. Cheers
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