BCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 246 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7309 times:
From 8 June 2009, ba.com is showing BA27/28 LHR-HKG-LHR operated by a 3 class Boeing 777-200ER. Is this the first time BA will be operating the 777 to HKG? Also, anyone know if or where the 744 will be redeployed?
AV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1265 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7222 times:
IIRC BA is parking some 744's could this be the result of that?
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1105 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7215 times:
I'm suprised it's a 3-class 777. At least if they are downgrading the aircraft, I thought it would be a 4-class. Is there not a lot of premium traffic on this route?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21460 posts, RR: 24 Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7218 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2): I'm suprised it's a 3-class 777. At least if they are downgrading the aircraft, I thought it would be a 4-class. Is there not a lot of premium traffic on this route?
With the global economic crisis there is less premium traffic on almost all routes. There is another thread mentioning that CX premium traffic has dropped about 25% in the past couple of months.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6991 times:
Interesting.. ...this is one route where Walsh specifically stated they were planning on sending the A380 to. Of course, things could possibly pick up by the time they receive their birds.
I wonder if this is one route where they plan on eventually flying their B77W's to.
B747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 982 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6962 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4): Interesting.. ...this is one route where Walsh specifically stated they were planning on sending the A380 to. Of course, things could possibly pick up by the time they receive their birds.
I wonder if this is one route where they plan on eventually flying their B77W's to.
I suspect we might see a mix. 2 daily 380s could not replace 3 daily 744s, so we could see a combination on 380s, 744s and 77Ws. Only time will tell.
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2): Is there not a lot of premium traffic on this route?
There is a lot a premium traffic on the route. At certain times of the year all 3 daily flights leave completely full in all classes. I fly the route a lot and I would say the average J load is 80%. W and Y tend to run hot and cold. One day they may all be full, the next completely empty.
I think the problem might be First. I flew out to HKG in First just last week. It was completely full, but on 6 passengers had paid to fly First. Everyone else was upgrades because the rest of the flight was full.
Using the 3 class 772 would only mean a drop of 4 J seats, so BA could reduce the number of F, W and Y seats on the route whilst maintaining the number of J seats.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6886 times:
Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 5): Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
Interesting.. ...this is one route where Walsh specifically stated they were planning on sending the A380 to. Of course, things could possibly pick up by the time they receive their birds.
I wonder if this is one route where they plan on eventually flying their B77W's to.
I suspect we might see a mix. 2 daily 380s could not replace 3 daily 744s, so we could see a combination on 380s, 744s and 77Ws. Only time will tell.
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):
Is there not a lot of premium traffic on this route?
There is a lot a premium traffic on the route. At certain times of the year all 3 daily flights leave completely full in all classes. I fly the route a lot and I would say the average J load is 80%. W and Y tend to run hot and cold. One day they may all be full, the next completely empty.
I think the problem might be First. I flew out to HKG in First just last week. It was completely full, but on 6 passengers had paid to fly First. Everyone else was upgrades because the rest of the flight was full.
Using the 3 class 772 would only mean a drop of 4 J seats, so BA could reduce the number of F, W and Y seats on the route whilst maintaining the number of J seats.
Thanks for the observations.
There is quite a bit of competition with BA, CX and NZ all flying the route.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6737 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2): I'm suprised it's a 3-class 777. At least if they are downgrading the aircraft, I thought it would be a 4-class.
Looking at the number of F seats available for Z-class award redemption on the 3 daily B744 flights even before the financial crisis struck, I'd say that the 42 daily seats were definitely too much F-capacity for the route, hence a 3-class rather than a 4-class 777.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6553 times:
Quoting Qantasistheway (Reply 7): Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
There is quite a bit of competition with BA, CX and NZ all flying the route.
edit:add VS to the route as well...
Don't forget QF.
You are totally correct.
BA
CX
VS
NZ
Running though some Y-prices for Feb. 09, I found nonstop for $683 (U.S. dollars) including taxes on BA+QF and $537 one stop on QR with $629 with KL+AF....that is cheap!
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16574 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6456 times:
But it always seems that BA downgrades their Aisan routes. They have never changed any of their west coast US routes, e.g. the LAX serivce, which is 3 744s every day. They could send a 777 and 2 744s instead, why dont they do it??
Hotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 459 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6350 times:
Quoting B747forever (Reply 11): But it always seems that BA downgrades their Aisan routes. They have never changed any of their west coast US routes, e.g. the LAX serivce, which is 3 744s every day.
There's only 2 daily LAXs for chunks of next year, I'd say thats a bigger cut.
Theginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1110 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6246 times:
Quoting B747forever (Reply 11): But it always seems that BA downgrades their Aisan routes. They have never changed any of their west coast US routes, e.g. the LAX serivce, which is 3 744s every day. They could send a 777 and 2 744s instead, why dont they do it??
Part of the reason is that BA doesn't have unlimited resources so every decision has to be taken carefully. And add to it HKG is further than LAX from LHR so uses more fuel, so there is more of a saving to be had using a 777 there than there is to LAX.
Coupled to the fact that the HKG route takes the aircraft out of LHR for about 36 hours, whereas with the LAX route the aircraft is gone for about 24 hours so they can perhaps utilise the 744's more efficiently meaning they can take some more out of service and park them.
I imagine with the new BA 777's coming over the next few years more and more 744 routes will move to the 777, look at what SQ have been doing, they have been increasing the 777 fleet and moving them on to 744 routes and reducing the size of that fleet.
AirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 1906 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6154 times:
Quoting Theginge (Reply 13): I imagine with the new BA 777's coming over the next few years more and more 744 routes will move to the 777, look at what SQ have been doing, they have been increasing the 777 fleet and moving them on to 744 routes and reducing the size of that fleet.
SQ have also beeen introducing the A380 as well, so it's more of a topping and tailing than a simple reduction of capacity?
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Readytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5515 times:
So if it is a three class 777 does it mean
Club
World Traveller plus
WT
similar to the Gatwick 777 fleet?
you don't get a second chance to make a first impression!
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4088 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5334 times:
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5145 times:
Club World Class: 73.0" 20.0" 36 Flat bed seats More Info
World Traveler Plus Class: 38.0" 18.5" 24 seats with 2 more inches of recline
World Traveler Class: 31.0" 17.5" 212 seats
Club World Class: 73.0" 20.0" 36 Flat bed seats More Info
World Traveler Plus Class: 38.0" 18.5" 24 seats with 2 more inches of recline
World Traveler Class: 31.0" 17.5" 212 seats
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4628 times:
Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 19): Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
According to seatguru.com:
Club World Class: 73.0" 20.0" 36 Flat bed seats More Info
World Traveler Plus Class: 38.0" 18.5" 24 seats with 2 more inches of recline
World Traveler Class: 31.0" 17.5" 212 seats
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6339 posts, RR: 56 Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
Quoting Aer lingus (Reply 22): AF also sends 777s from Europe to HKG but not from the UK
Thanks, yes I know that. We get plenty of 777s in HKGbut I meant this will be the first time we get a BA 777 apart from when big-ears came in 97 to hand back HKG to China.....or was that even a 744? I can't remember now!
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2647 times:
Could the 777 have a new Club world? BA also has a new First Called PRIME, the difference between Club and First/Prime has to be small.
25 B747-4U3: I think that might have been a 744. Anyway, the best part of that was Prince Charles only flew in Business Class! He only realised it was Business Cl
26 Dano1977: It was a B744, a classic episode of the BBC series "Airport" The Plane was started up and ready to taxi, when they found out that current BA chief ex
27 BA777ER236: They will be the RR a/c, G-YMMA,B,C,D,E,F and G-YMMR,S,T & U. Non of the GE a/c have the required crew rest facilities. Cheers
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