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Comair EMB-120 Incident  
User currently offlineMad dog From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

Speaking of Comair--did anybody hear about the incident with one of their emb-120 a/c? I think it happened some time last week--it departed from bahamas (i think) going to mco. It apparently started to form ice on the windshield and wings. Captain put plane in a nosedive to avoid a stall--plane went left to right and then barrel-rolled some how they recoverd-a/c made an emergency landing in fll --has this happened before? Why did they put them selfs in this situation? just wondering...

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User currently offlineI Like To Fly From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

Yeah, did anyone catch the re-enactment on CBS evening news tonight? I know they dramatize stuff, but it still looked pretty scary. Reminds me of the incident I had back in '94 going into CVG about 10 minutes from landing we dropped for a free fall for almost two seconds and then it felt like we hit the ground (I knew we couldn't have, but some of the other people thought we crashed). It took place in an instant during a thunderstorm and it scared the sh*t out of me and everyone else. It is one of those things that I would love to go through again if I knew it was coming and I knew that I would walk away. I fly another EMB120 and a CRJ this summer to Orlando. I don't fly commuter that often and am looking forward to it. I just hope it is nice weather.

User currently offlineI Like To Fly From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Oh yeah, my ride also happened on a Comair EMB120. Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Just saw something from NTSB on this, and you might check http://www.ntsb.gov to see if it's there yet...

Aircraft diverted into West Palm Beach (PBI)... Item I read said there wasn't anything useful on the CVR, but the FDR had plenty, including the fact that they were 60 degrees nose-down, max speed was 240-something knots, and that they pulled +3.2 G's. Must have been a real E-ticket ride, and very good fortunnate for all concerned...

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

This incident definite makes me never want to fly on a Brasilia ever again. I'm a very good flier, but the one time I had to fly on a Brasilia, I got a little bit scared. In flight, I felt like a ping-pong ball as we bounced up and down through thunderstorms. I was very happy to land after that flight (and I normally don't look forward to landing, that means the flight's over  Sad ), so much so that I nearly kissed the tarmac at TLH. If I never have to ride on another EMB120, that's alright by me.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

The NTSB update I mentioned earlier... (Also, +3.6 G's, not +3.2)


User currently offlineCessna152 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

This incident and the crash of a Comair Emb. 120 a few years ago makes you really think about the safety of this aircraft. It appears this aircraft has a real problem flying through ice conditions. According to CBS the pilots are being questioned as to why they were flying in conditions where ice would exist.

User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

The autopilot disconnected and the airplane rolled about 90 degrees to the left, and then back to near level. In the next 24 seconds, the airplane again rolled about 110 degrees to the left, back to level, then about 120 degrees to the right, back to level, and then rolled 360 degrees to the right, back to near wings level. Since the crew reported trouble with the flight attitude instruments, the roll angles recorded on the FDR are being further investigated.

Woah! Thank god no one was injured. Those are some really excessive roll angles! At 90 degrees the plane's perpendicular with the ground, instead of parallel to it!

I tip my hat in solute to those pilots! Good work guys!

- Neil Harrison

User currently offline767ALLTHEWAY From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

That reminds me of a EMB120 Continental Express back in 96' Captain on that flight said we dropped about 1,500 ft, good thing everyone was wearing their seat belt.

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear"
User currently offlineSkyWestPilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

I've flown through many an icing condition in the EMB-120 and have lived to tell about it. I don't know what the circumstances in the Comair incident were, but the Brasilia is not an unsafe airplane in icing conditions. The previous problems with it in the past have been in severe icing conditions, a problem in any airplane. At SkyWest we've learned from these past incidents our operations reflect it.

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