Mad dog From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1777 times:
Speaking of Comair--did anybody hear about the incident with one of their emb-120 a/c? I think it happened some time last week--it departed from bahamas (i think) going to mco. It apparently started to form ice on the windshield and wings. Captain put plane in a nosedive to avoid a stall--plane went left to right and then barrel-rolled some how they recoverd-a/c made an emergency landing in fll --has this happened before? Why did they put them selfs in this situation? just wondering...
I Like To Fly From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1724 times:
Yeah, did anyone catch the re-enactment on CBS evening news tonight? I know they dramatize stuff, but it still looked pretty scary. Reminds me of the incident I had back in '94 going into CVG about 10 minutes from landing we dropped for a free fall for almost two seconds and then it felt like we hit the ground (I knew we couldn't have, but some of the other people thought we crashed). It took place in an instant during a thunderstorm and it scared the sh*t out of me and everyone else. It is one of those things that I would love to go through again if I knew it was coming and I knew that I would walk away. I fly another EMB120 and a CRJ this summer to Orlando. I don't fly commuter that often and am looking forward to it. I just hope it is nice weather.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1702 times:
Just saw something from NTSB on this, and you might check http://www.ntsb.gov to see if it's there yet...
Aircraft diverted into West Palm Beach (PBI)... Item I read said there wasn't anything useful on the CVR, but the FDR had plenty, including the fact that they were 60 degrees nose-down, max speed was 240-something knots, and that they pulled +3.2 G's. Must have been a real E-ticket ride, and very good fortunnate for all concerned...
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
This incident definite makes me never want to fly on a Brasilia ever again. I'm a very good flier, but the one time I had to fly on a Brasilia, I got a little bit scared. In flight, I felt like a ping-pong ball as we bounced up and down through thunderstorms. I was very happy to land after that flight (and I normally don't look forward to landing, that means the flight's over ), so much so that I nearly kissed the tarmac at TLH. If I never have to ride on another EMB120, that's alright by me.
Cessna152 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1641 times:
This incident and the crash of a Comair Emb. 120 a few years ago makes you really think about the safety of this aircraft. It appears this aircraft has a real problem flying through ice conditions. According to CBS the pilots are being questioned as to why they were flying in conditions where ice would exist.
Pilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1622 times:
The autopilot disconnected and the airplane rolled about 90 degrees to the left, and then back to near level. In the next 24 seconds, the airplane again rolled about 110 degrees to the left, back to level, then about 120 degrees to the right, back to level, and then rolled 360 degrees to the right, back to near wings level. Since the crew reported trouble with the flight attitude instruments, the roll angles recorded on the FDR are being further investigated.
Woah! Thank god no one was injured. Those are some really excessive roll angles! At 90 degrees the plane's perpendicular with the ground, instead of parallel to it!
I tip my hat in solute to those pilots! Good work guys!
SkyWestPilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
I've flown through many an icing condition in the EMB-120 and have lived to tell about it. I don't know what the circumstances in the Comair incident were, but the Brasilia is not an unsafe airplane in icing conditions. The previous problems with it in the past have been in severe icing conditions, a problem in any airplane. At SkyWest we've learned from these past incidents our operations reflect it.