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Emirates To Introduce A380 To FCO, SIN, ICN  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 23212 times:

Just seen on flyertalk, seems like EK will go to upgrade its Dubai-Rome daily route from 773 to 388 eff from Dec 1st, 2009. Rome would be the 2nd 380's destination in Europe after London (with EK metal) and probably their shortest scheduled flight (just 5h30m) with the 'giant'.

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Departing Wednesday, 2 December 2009 from 14:30 onwards.

Emirates - EK 098
Depart: Rome Fiumicino Apt
Terminal: Terminal C
Departure Time: 14:30, Wednesday, 2 December 2009
Arrive: Dubai
Terminal: Terminal 3
Arrival Time: 23:00, Wednesday, 2 December 2009
Stops: Non-Stop
Travel Time: 5hrs 30mins
Aircraft: 388 (Airbus Industrie A380-800 Passenger)
Classes offered: First Business Economy



If I remember right EK's 388 are supposed to fly to Sydney, New York, London as well. Who will be the next?

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User currently offlineConti764 From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 23205 times:

Is FCO such a money maker for EK and why is it so much better then other premium European destinations such as Paris (CDG)?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 23139 times:

Thats a nice surprise. Great to see more Euro airports getting A380 service.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12410 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 23097 times:

Any other (EK) A380 routes before FCO?

When will they be starting services with the aircraft in the two class high-density layout?


User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1811 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 23021 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):
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How many seats will their high density A388's hold? And where will these be flying to.

I sure hope to see one at MAN very soon. Although i have a feeling they will start a 3rd daily first.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 22994 times:
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Quoting Conti764 (Reply 1):
Is FCO such a money maker for EK and why is it so much better then other premium European destinations such as Paris (CDG)?

CDG and FRA have strong home airlines *and* limited slots for EK. It will be easier not, due to Alitalia's troubles, to build up market share at FCO.

Did EK ever receive their requested increased frequencies to/from Italy?

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):

When will they be starting services with the aircraft in the two class high-density layout?

I second this question. Which configuration?

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 22915 times:

Quoting Conti764 (Reply 1):
Is FCO such a money maker for EK and why is it so much better then other premium European destinations such as Paris (CDG)?

Do not forget there is also a UAE-Italy bilateral issue, right now I guess that is the only way for EK to get more capacity to FCO with the same number of weekly flights allowed (7).

[Edited 2008-12-27 08:34:09]

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 22898 times:

Good move by EK. I guess they are speculating on AZ being out of business or significantly reduced at that time. For many Italians it is probably not attractive to go north of the Alps to CDG, FRA, or LHR when their final destination is east or south of DXB.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 6):
Did EK ever receive their requested increased frequencies to/from Italy?

Maybe they didn't and that is one of the reasons for using such a big plane.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 6):
I second this question. Which configuration?



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
Classes offered: First Business Economy



User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1811 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 22877 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Reply 7):

So if this bilateral issue is resovled will EK pull the A380 out in favour of added frequency? Or was it always sort of a plan to send it there in the first place. I have to admit FCO didnt spring into my mind as a one of the first places they would send their A388's.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 22841 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 9):
Quoting LIPZ (Reply 7):

So if this bilateral issue is resovled will EK pull the A380 out in favour of added frequency? Or was it always sort of a plan to send it there in the first place. I have to admit FCO didnt spring into my mind as a one of the first places they would send their A388's.

Maybe EK management knew a few more things than us A.netters did when they decided to order more and more A380's... Wink



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22820 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 8):
For many Italians it is probably not attractive to go north of the Alps to CDG, FRA, or LHR when their final destination is east or south of DXB.

so you forget MUC as most northern italian gateway  Wink

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 9):
So if this bilateral issue is resovled will EK pull the A380 out in favour of added frequency?

without a doubt...



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User currently offlineNcfc99 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22732 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 4):
How many seats will their high density A388's hold? And where will these be flying to.

I sure hope to see one at MAN very soon. Although i have a feeling they will start a 3rd daily first.

IIRC the 2 class A388's will carry 644 pax

I have also read on thos forum that the A380 will be the next change at MAN. If they replace 1 flight with an A388HD that will increase seat by about 200ish. To start a 3rd daily will increase seats by about 250 or so.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22715 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 9):
So if this bilateral issue is resovled will EK pull the A380 out in favour of added frequency? Or was it always sort of a plan to send it there in the first place

Honestly, I don't know that.
For sure EK keen on getting rights for 8 daily flights to Italy in the near future ( I would say in 1-2 years) as recently declared through a press release.

www.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustry...sUtilitiesNews/idUSLO8597320081124


User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22699 times:

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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1811 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22692 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
Maybe EK management knew a few more things than us A.netters did when they decided to order more and more A380's...

Haha who knows what goes through the heads of these senior managers!

It just occurs to me that in some cases, where they only run a daily, a 2nd daily flight may be more appropriate because essentially EK's business model is connecting pax and giving them a choice of depature times. So a 2nd daily flight or say 10X weekly to me would make more sense initially than putting on a daily A380 flight just to up capacity. Up the capacity whilst offering another flight for pax. Places like LHR where they do something like 6 x daily is where i see the A388 being utilised properly. That is about capacity as they offer an good selection of depature times already.

Obviously the bilateral would need sorting!



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22624 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 15):
a 2nd daily flight may be more appropriate because essentially EK's business model is connecting pax and giving them a choice of depature times.

That could be, but EK management probably know which sets of pax are connecting to where. EK will "optimise" its plane(s) for a particular route.

LHR might have a good mix of multiple O&D and/or connecting pax where as FCO has one or the other.

We'll certainly see some things change as time goes on.



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22626 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
so you forget MUC as most northern italian gateway Wink

Certainly closer than the others, but it doesn't have that many connections.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7082 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22549 times:

With AZ being weakened still perhaps there is a lot of connection potential in FCO that EK wants to harness.


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12410 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22497 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 4):
How many seats will their high density A388's hold? And where will these be flying to.

Wikipedia shows 604 (but is sometimes erroneous; I think Ncfc99's guess is closer to the mark - 644).

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
With AZ being weakened still perhaps there is a lot of connection potential in FCO that EK wants to harness.

Very likely the reason for Italy being chosen ahead of other major European markets.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22249 times:

So do they intend to fly from Rome to NYC?
Has the A380 been to Italy yet?


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 21741 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
so you forget MUC as most northern italian gateway Wink

Hahaha, it's still N of the Alps and out of the way for whoever is traveling to S Asia, Arabia, Africa and Oceania.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 17):
With AZ being weakened still perhaps there is a lot of connection potential in FCO that EK wants to harness.

Are they going to put an "inch'allah Alitalia" sticker on the A380?
Seriously though, if they want to develop FCO, they need a partner for connections.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 21650 times:

EK intertested in flying A380 to Karachi and willing to upgrade terminal and ramp areas at own cost, but rumored that Pak CAA denying permission to protect PIA.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 21525 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 16):
Certainly closer than the others, but it doesn't have that many connections.

as per my understanding MUC has more intra-european connections than FRA .... even on longhaul you are right.

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 20):
Hahaha, it's still N of the Alps and out of the way for whoever is traveling to S Asia, Arabia, Africa and Oceania.

do you really think that a short hop over the alps is a problem on a long trip down to S Asia, Oceaia, Arabia etc...?

you would be surprised how many italians are using MUC - Air Dolimiti (LH subsidary) is one of the biggest carrier in MUC connecting LH hub with around 15 to 20 Italian citys...
 Cool



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User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21193 times:



Quoting Conti764 (Reply 1):
Is FCO such a money maker for EK and why is it so much better then other premium European destinations such as Paris (CDG)?

It must be a money maker for them to send an A380, but the flight time is also short enough for an A380, so it could be to increase utilization for the fleet in between longer routes to JFK, SYD etc


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21017 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
Maybe EK management knew a few more things than us A.netters did when they decided to order more and more A380's... Wink

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

How dare you even suggest such a thought!  Wink

Quoting Avianca (Reply 22):
as per my understanding MUC has more intra-european connections than FRA

Even if it did, which I seriously doubt, this would only be valid for LH-connections, not connections on all airlines flying to the airport. On all carriers serving MUC, I seriously doubt you'll get more destinations than on all carriers serving FRA - both on intra-European and longhaul flights.



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25 BestWestern : They have a huge hub on the other end of the route.
26 Post contains links NCB : Perhaps some have missed the previous anouncement: http://www.travelmole.com/stories/1133124.php DUBAI - Emirates airline has chosen Italy as its Euro
27 Post contains images Keesje : On top of the local Italian market / EK hub aspirations, lets not forget Rome is an unbeatable global tourist destination. Asia -> Rome must be a size
28 Jacobin777 : I understand its blasphemous especially when its coming like someone from me but someone had to say it....
29 MotorHussy : Surely you mean MXP. And back to subject, I think this is very smart as there isn't too much competition to destinations in the east (including Austr
30 THEENGINEER : Is FCO ready to accomodate the A380?
31 THEENGINEER : Newly rich..... very friendly and welcoming
32 WAC : most of the work has been done but not sure when....I think they need to build an A380 gate but they completed work on the runways and taxiing in spr
33 Cadet57 : That or they ordered too many and have no place to send them
34 Danfearn77 : Will Airbus send an A380 to FCO to test out the facilities beforehand? Once the gate has been finalised etc?
35 AFKL : I'm not surprised. I've even read in an article (in the Nice airport magazine) that Emirates is interested in serving NCE with the A380 by 2012 IIRC.
36 Danfearn77 : Really? What do they fly there with at the moment? And whats the frequency? I find it hard to see how an A380 can be utilised to an airport which bar
37 Planemanofnz : Wrong. The shortest will be SYD-AKL-SYD. The A380 flight to SYD is continuing to AKL.
38 Airbazar : That is exactly what it is. It also doesn't hurt that FCO has virtually no competition. Even AZ in its current state cannot be considered competition
39 Post contains links Pe@rson : www.emirates.com But to save you the arduous task, they fly DXB-NCE 5x weekly with the 332.
40 Danfearn77 : Thanks. I am busy with work so i was hoping a helpful person like you would tell me. So they want to go from A332 to A380 in 3 years? Would they go d
41 Avianca : no, I mean MUC as written. MUC is an extensive gateway for Italian-(in and out)bound passengers. LH group has a masive network from/to MUC.
42 Jacobin777 : Yikes..that's potentially asking for trouble... Truth be told however, I think EK knows what its doing...
43 Futurestar68 : Hey guys, did anyone of you think about VIE ? A few months ago I read in Aero International that EK thought about a second daily DXB-VIE-DXB, they cal
44 Post contains links Shanxz : Emirates VP of North America had mentioned to me in an interview that the high-density A388 will hold 625 passengers, in a 2-class config. Personally
45 Directorguy : I thought that the A380s would spend the next 4-5 years going to the flagship routes...never imagined that secondary gateways would be getting them so
46 ZRH : And Zurich which is even closer and has three daily DXB flights (two EK ond LX).
47 MillwallSean : And this makes us ask again if those that says that Rome doesnt produce any yield and thus is unsuitable for a hub really knows what they are talking
48 Flyglobal : As an additional point: While LH and AF may be able to somehow limit an extensive EK's expansion by good connections to their governments, its maybe
49 Flyglobal : This is an additional reason as well, besides the strategic making Rome as a European hub for them. We may see some other shorter routs (DXP CAI was
50 AFKL : I can't answer the first question for you, but wht I can tell you is that Nice is in the process of becoming A380 ready (if they arn't already!). I a
51 Astuteman : 625 pax on an A388 is about the same as 420 pax on a 744. Does that qualify as "packed like sardines?" (especially if its a 2-class config) Good catc
52 Ncelhr : This started on 1st Dec. Prior to this, it was a 773 stopping off in Roma. The A380 would be used for specific events, like the Cannes Film Festival
53 LIPZ : My guess is that EK will introduce a 2nd daily to VIE in the near future (within 1 year).
54 Janmnastami : It's just a statement released by politicians. "Italy has a hub to acess Europe"? They don't know what "hub" means.
55 Conti764 : Aside all the A380 routes, is EK planning on opening more routes to Europe on 'regular' metal?
56 LIPZ : They should add flights to cities such as Amsterdam, Barcelona, Brussels, Madrid, Geneva, Copenhagen as soon as possible.
57 Airbazar : In that regard it's the exact opposite. Both LH and AF are private companies free of government meddling while AZ is a government company. The AZ uni
58 Shanxz : Good observation. Might very well be the reason.
59 Directorguy : In any case, it really depends on the yield to make A380s at FCO work. By the time EK has, say, 15-20 A380s, then fleet utilization will be less of an
60 MillwallSean : I am still rather bemused by this. we have seen Rome written off in terms of yield by so many on the Alitalia threads and now this. Emirates one of th
61 Post contains links Jambrain : Surely AZ can gain more then they lose if they can connect onwards these EK passengers, especially if the bankrupt airline gets cash for slots. http:
62 Airbazar : AZ as a government entity doesn't think that way and secondly, I don't think EK is targeting code-sharing or connecting passengers. As for the yields
63 EK773 : According to this post of Flyertalk, the 6th EK A380 destination after Rome was also revealed but has not yet been discussed ; )
64 AustrianZRH : What post on Flyertalk? Do you have a link, or maybe just a three letter code of the destination ?
65 Directorguy : EK322/323 DXB-ICN-DXB aircraft upgraded from B777-300ER to A380-800 (effective 1 Jan 2010) The 6th A380 destination for EK will be Seoul-Incheon, Sout
66 LIPZ : After all there should be a reason why several prestigious long-haul carriers from all over the world (such as Cathay Pacific, United Airlines, Air C
67 EK773 : ICN will be the 7th destination. There was an earlier post on Flyertalk which seems to have been overlooked and that was the revelation of the 6th de
68 LIPZ : Fantastic DXB-SIN with 380!
69 Rwill35396 : Hmm thats an interesting one, EK and the other Mid East carriers are building up quite a strong presence at MAN, my home airport coincidently - I'll
70 EmiratesUK : SIN is already loaded in the res system 9EK 352 P4 A4 J7 C7 Y9 E9 W9 M9 B9 U9*DXBSIN 1025 2125 380 0 K9 H9 Q9 L9 8EK 353 P4 A4 J7 C7 Y9 E9 W9 M9 B9 U9
71 Danfearn77 : T1 is currently being upgraded to have i think 1 gate able to handle the A380. And the intersting thing is EK move from T2 to T1 in june 2009. Scrapp
72 Directorguy : I definately overlooked the FlyerTalk post about the A380 to SIN! Anyway...that would be great news. So far: New York-John F Kennedy JFK London Heathr
73 CityAirline : ...and FCO. And that's 2 asian cities not 1. //Alex
74 Huaiwei : Add FCO to the list, and its actually 2 Asian cities. So SYD will see three A380 carriers from Feb 2009 and SIN from Dec 2009. When will LHR share th
75 DABTH747 : What about YYZ?
76 Planemanofnz : EK and SQ already fly A380's to LHR. QF are starting to fly A380's on the SYD-SIN-LHR route from January 2009. So, only about 2 more weeks untill LHR
77 Directorguy : IIRC Emirates/Etihad are subject to a tight and restrictive aviation agreement with Canada. While the extra capacity would be appreciated, an 3x week
78 TWA902fly : Do not ever use "prestigious long-haul carrier" and "USAirways" in reference to each other. Ever. '902
79 Kevin : I would've never thought that ICN -DXB is a viable route. I thought it wouldn't last for more than a year and now they get an A380. You just never kno
80 Pe@rson : It will go where it is necessary and where it can achieve high operating performance, not where it looks good or where it completes another continent.
81 Cricket : Yikes! BOM can't support a A380 on gate till 2011 at the earliest. BOM has 4x daily and that should go upto 5x daily by late next year as should DEL.
82 Pe@rson : Actually, 5x daily: From DXB: 0400 daily; 0930 daily; 1320 daily; 1610 daily; 2230 daily. Depending on the day and flight, using 772, 773, 77W, and 3
83 Shanxz : One year to wait SIN to see Emirates A380...hmmm... Will QF be flying the A380 to SIN anytime sooner?
84 Post contains links Shanxz : Btw, totally loved the Emirates A380 JFK maiden flight. Some great pics and videos here.
85 Conti764 : Well, as strange as it may sound, I don't hope to see Emirates at BRU, or at least not soon. BRU can't support two carriers to the UAE (EY already se
86 TommyBP251b : My suggestion is that Ek will go from one A332 daily to a B77W daily and then back to 2x A332 daily, like they did in DUS. Let's quiz you guys on a c
87 AirNZ : There's at least four others on there that would fit your 'description' as well though
88 SQ_EK_freak : Would the EK A380s ever make an apperance on any of the Japan flights, especially with the introduction to Narita in 2010?
89 Keesje : Rome is a super tourist destination and probably will be for ever. With Asia getting more wealthy tens of Millions will want to visit Rome once (at l
90 Planemanofnz : January 2009, SYD-SIN-LHR
91 Directorguy : I'm just really surprised AZ axed the FCO-DXB route when the competition flew 77Ws. IIRC, Virgin Atlantic was the launch customer for the A346 so LHR,
92 Art : If we are referring to the Y class pax, how much less room will they have in this 2 class configuration? As a Y class pax, I don't really care how ma
93 Dabth747 : sure it can! if it can do DXB - JFK im sure YYZ is no prob!
94 Azmd80 : AZ has haxed DXB flight to better use 772 on longer route. Probably AZ don't think DXB strategic for his network. It's a real shame seeing AZ is remov
95 Nicholaschee : QF31/32 goes A388 on 256 wef 16 Jan 2009.
96 Thorben : JFK? LH, VS, and IB? LHR? VS, SA, and CX?
97 PP705 : I think one of them is a code share flight operated by 9W. Two of the EK operated flights come with first class suites. So BOM might see a 380 in thr
98 Pe@rson : No, 9W leaves @ 2200 and EK has it as EK6671. EK's flights DXB-BOM are: 0400 daily; 0930 daily; 1320 daily; 1610 daily; 2230 daily.
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