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Chicago Corp Jet Accident Dec 2003?  
User currently offlineBazookajoe From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

I am a member of another forum thats not aviation related and was chatting with a number of members last night in the chat room when one guy said that he was sad at Christmas due to three of his children being killed in a plane crash at or near Chicago on (or about) Christmas 2003. Of course everyone was offering their condolences and the mood became very somber. When asked what happened he said that they were flying in for Christmas on a cooperate jet (didn't say whose or what kind) when suddenly the engine exploded, the wing fell off and the plane nosed straight down and into the ground. Though the guy is known to exaggerate, I didn't have to nerve to question his story but this sure sounds like a highly unlikely scenario. If its true we feel for the guy...If not the members would like to know. Ive checked quiet a few websites and can find no record of such a crash. Anyone have any ideas on the best place to confirm an accident like this?

[Edited 2008-12-28 17:04:43]

[Edited 2008-12-28 17:06:17]


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Not gonna throw the BS flag, but nothing in the NTSB data base for that period of time. Also...engines don't just explode....and wings don't just fall off

[Edited 2008-12-28 17:15:41]


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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2161 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Not gonna throw the BS flag, but nothing in the NTSB data base for that period of time. Also...engines don't just explode....and wings don't just fall off

Well even though it is HIGHLY unlikely an uncontained fan seperation could be discribed as an
"explosion" which could have started a fire which could have burned through the spar, now that is just me making up a situation, but I recall some years back there was a Metro that had exactly this happen, well at least the engine caught fire, burned through the spar right on final the wings folded up. So it CAN happen, the question is did it.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2158 times:



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 2):

Name a corp jet that has wing mounted engines...???? DOe 328 is about it.....



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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/2579752/

I remember this one, but it was 2006


User currently offlineBazookajoe From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Im not that familiar with the corp jets but I didn't remember seeing anything with wing mounted engines...If this guy is lying about the death of his children hes a real loser. Id like to get to the bottom of this as its a great forum and now everyone doesn't know what to think about all of this. Thanks for your help guys.


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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2323 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

As EMBQA said, there isn't anything in the NTSB accident database about a corporate jet accident near Chicago in around Christmas 2003. In fact, a search of their database shows only one fatal corporate jet crash in the entire month of December 2003, a Lear that crashed in California on 23 Dec 2003, killing the pilot and copilot.


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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Wrong aircraft type and location - but the wing falling off after a supposed engine explosion matches the first descriptions of Chalk's Ocean Airways Mallard crash.

How old were the children?

Three was a crash of a Piper near that time in Iowa which originated near Chicago and had some relatively young victims.

It is not unusual for surviving parents to put more into an airplane crash than pilot error, wanting physical or design defects to be the reason for the crash.

[Edited 2008-12-28 18:37:04]

User currently offlineBazookajoe From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

Thanks for the response guys. Is there anything about ANY crash commercial, corp, or private, in the entire month of December (he stated Christmas day) in or near Chicago? I suppose I could check NTSB but I wanted to present it to this expert board so I am 100% sure not to miss anything and call the guy out and be wrong. Thanks again in advance.


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User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

I make a living dealing with corporate jets...never heard of this incident...

User currently offlineOrdpia From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

There was a crash a few years back where a family from Chicago was on their way to the northern part of Michigan (iirc Mackinac island), the father was not on board, the little bit I remember was that the rest of his family died and he believed it to be weather related, he gave quite a moving press conference which was shown on WGN and the other locals quite a bit, I wish I remembered more. perhaps this could be the crash.


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User currently offlineBazookajoe From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1839 times:



Quoting Ordpia (Reply 10):
There was a crash a few years back where a family from Chicago was on their way to the northern part of Michigan (iirc Mackinac island), the father was not on board, the little bit I remember was that the rest of his family died and he believed it to be weather related, he gave quite a moving press conference which was shown on WGN and the other locals quite a bit, I wish I remembered more. perhaps this could be the crash.

The crash was said to have occurred on the Chicago end of the flight, but thanks for that info Ordpia. I will do some Googling with this info and see what I can find.



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User currently offlineBOACVC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1819 times:



Quoting Bazookajoe (Reply 11):
The crash was said to have occurred on the Chicago end of the flight, but thanks for that info Ordpia. I will do some Googling with this info and see what I can find.

Bazookajoe, I'm wondering if you will ever get the truth from this person who has a very shocking sad story to tell (you) for sympathy purposes. It could have happened, yes, I agree. However, the snake oil business has never been so good since the birth of the World Wide Web, and I believe it would be trivial for him/her (do you even know if this person is legit a M or a F) to make up a story from a google session, where he is referring to incidents from the web and making sure to give out as little as information as possible.

I'm curious if you can get in touch with snopes.com people and drop them a line to investigate such that if any scam potential is there, they can put out a investigation report so not to confuse new internet users.

However, if the respondent is actually a registered, valid person and he still sticks to the story, it is so sad, that I think all a.netters need to figure out if it is really genuine or not. If his kids were on a corporate flight -- what was he doing not onboard that flight ? Were they with their mother / nanny ? If he was a corporate staff/exec, his biography should be still available from the company or other mention in industry news.

BOACVC10



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Sometimes it's better to let someone tell their stories. They have to live with what is said.. true or not.


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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4987 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Try this website, its a good start:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/Month.asp



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1795 times:



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 14):

We're already been there.. but thanks



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User currently offlineBazookajoe From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

I'm now convinced that the story is a fabrication to gain sympathy but I'm not going to publically confront him on the forum. Its just unbelievable that someone would go to that extent to gain sympathy. Lie about anything ...but the death of three children?? wow...


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User currently offlineBazookajoe From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

BTW- This site rocks...thanks to all for the help!


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User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Instead of confronting him direct, maybe ask him for some details of the 'incident'. Then use those to do a further search.


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User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5041 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1546 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 13):
Sometimes it's better to let someone tell their stories. They have to live with what is said.. true or not.

I think this is the route best taken. I don't think it would be wise to do anything near confrontational with a person like this. Let them live in their own little world.



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User currently offlineBazookajoe From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Thanks to all for the advice. No confrontation but he was banned from the forum. Quiet a few must have believed his story because several quit the site. Thats a shame but trying to post the "rest of the story" will probably make things worse so who knows what to do there. People are really, really gullible. Thanks again for the research guys. Be safe!



P.S.- Have a son stationed at Whidbey Island Naval Air Station, Wa State. Airman Petty Officer III -AT , Cougar Squadron. Soon to be duty station USS Ronald Regan. Proud Dad.



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User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1455 times:



Quoting Bazookajoe (Reply 20):
Have a son stationed at Whidbey Island Naval Air Station, Wa State. Airman Petty Officer III -AT , Cougar Squadron. Soon to be duty station USS Ronald Regan. Proud Dad.

Understandably so.


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