Burnsie28 From United States, joined Aug 2004, 6062 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 12499 times:
Well since its still operated by Northwest on regular Northwest routes, nothing has changed at Delta. Also all the crews are from Northwest.
I don't know when Delta will add the fleet to the inflight magazine, i would guess in March when the combined inflight magazine comes out... only two more months of NWA worldtraveler
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
SkyTeamTriStar From United States, joined Dec 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12076 times:
The January issue of Sky will be revamped to include the NWA planes images. A Minnesota based company will be publishing the newer version of Sky. It should debut in a few days.
Look for a sneak preview on the Delta blog including combined route maps.
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WorldTraveler From United States, joined Aug 2003, 6209 posts, RR: 24 Reply 7, posted (6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12070 times:
the 744 is still a NW operated airplane. I would be curious to know if any of you as NW employees have heard reaction from passengers (DL/NW or other) or other airline employees re: seeing a DL 744. you gotta think that one of the prime factors in getting the 744 fleet painted fast is because it will help DL build its brand in Asia. I'm also curious as to how aggressive NW and DL sales are in pushing the single airline from a sales perspective.
As for the inflight magazine, all I've gotta say is that DL has got to get rid of that tiny Pacific route map and use the same double fold pages that DL uses for the transatlantic and Latin systems.
DIA From United States, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 53 Reply 8, posted (6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 11945 times:
Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 6): The January issue of Sky will be revamped to include the NWA planes images. A Minnesota based company will be publishing the newer version of Sky. It should debut in a few days.
Look for a sneak preview on the Delta blog including combined route maps.
EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 8102 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 11926 times:
I don't think you'll see many issues at all. The Northwest planes will fly much of the same routes with the same crews they do now, just in Delta colors. Over time you'll see slight changes to the routes and markets.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Floridaflyboy From United States, joined Jun 2006, 1672 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10229 times:
Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 2): I thought it was January when Sky was to replace WorldTraveler?
The final product will actually end up looking much more like WorldTraveler with the best features of Sky included. It will be a fantastic inflight magazine.
Spacecadet From United States, joined Sep 2001, 1905 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9432 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7): I would be curious to know if any of you as NW employees have heard reaction from passengers (DL/NW or other) or other airline employees re: seeing a DL 744. you gotta think that one of the prime factors in getting the 744 fleet painted fast is because it will help DL build its brand in Asia.
I'm curious about this too. I predicted a while back that their NRT hub would eventually fall apart under Delta, because they simply do not have the mindshare there in a market that is notorious for brand loyalty. It would have been smarter for them to keep the Northwest name; both Delta and Northwest are about equally well known in the United States, but Northwest has much, much more cachet in Asia. I personally think they have underestimated how difficult this is going to be to overcome. They're thinking like Americans.
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WorldTraveler From United States, joined Aug 2003, 6209 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9119 times:
there are many brands that have successfully acquired other brands or changed their own names - even in brand loyal markets like Japan. It is not impossible but there has to be alot of work to reach success. OTOH, DL has a much larger network and thus greater connectivity and has the ability to more accurately match aircraft type to mission.
You will see NRT as a hub continue to remain a very strong part of DL's network but there will be some markets where DL will replace intra-Asia (ex-NRT) service with nonstops from the US but they will add new intra-Asia markets. There is an enormous amount of potential left for DL in Asia - to look at what UA has in Asia and believe that is all DL can do is a serious mistake.
N808NW From United States, joined Aug 2004, 371 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9038 times:
Im pretty sure i just loaded some january world travler's on a flight the other day so i dunno if they will be switching to sky this soon....unless someone got ahead of themselfs with the w/t mag and printed them out before they got the word.
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Burnsie28 From United States, joined Aug 2004, 6062 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9038 times:
Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 11): The final product will actually end up looking much more like WorldTraveler
Thank god, I really don't like most of the graphics in Delta's magazine they look cheap.
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7): you gotta think that one of the prime factors in getting the 744 fleet painted fast is because it will help DL build its brand in Asia
More like re-build... problem is that Delta's brand was horribly destroyed when they had the larger operation out of PDX.
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13): there are many brands that have successfully acquired other brands or changed their own names - even in brand loyal markets like Japan. It is not impossible but there has to be alot of work to reach success.
But in most of those cases, one brand didn't have a bad image like Delta did.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Panamair From United States, joined Oct 2001, 3373 posts, RR: 23 Reply 18, posted (6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8582 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 15): Thank god, I really don't like most of the graphics in Delta's magazine they look cheap.
To stoop to your level, I do have the December issues of both Sky and WorldTraveler in front of me and WorldTraveler, by far, is the cheaper looking of the two - it's thin, has a 'sticky' cover (by that I mean when you hold the magazine long enough while reading it, the colors or ink will start to rub off on your fingers) versus the 'glossy, non-stick' cover of Sky (similar to that of "Continental" magazine). Inside, the print, fonts, etc.of Sky are much closer to a New York/Madison Avenue type magazine than the almost-Helen-Keller-ish font /amateurish look of WorldTraveler.
But both, however, cannot compare to the uber-sexy-hip look of the Air France magazine, which by far sets the standard for airline magazine coolness....not a lot of substance, but at least it looks good!
Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 17): In at least the last 2 issues of SKY Magazine, they have added MSP, DTW, and AMS to the Terminal Map section.
MSP and DTW maps (along with IAH, etc.) have been there for a while now (under Domestic airports) but NRT and AMS were recent adds.
DeltaL1011man From United States, joined Sep 2005, 4502 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7261 times:
Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 6): Look for a sneak preview on the Delta blog including combined route maps.
about time
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7): the 744 is still a NW operated airplane. I would be curious to know if any of you as NW employees have heard reaction from passengers (DL/NW or other) or other airline employees re: seeing a DL 744. you gotta think that one of the prime factors in getting the 744 fleet painted fast is because it will help DL build its brand in Asia. I'm also curious as to how aggressive NW and DL sales are in pushing the single airline from a sales perspective.
I agree WT, IMHO getting 2-3 more 744s and 3-4 A332s out into the NRT hub wouldn't be a bad idea.
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7): As for the inflight magazine, all I've gotta say is that DL has got to get rid of that tiny Pacific route map and use the same double fold pages that DL uses for the transatlantic and Latin systems.
LOL with three routes it was pointless now it should be 2 page
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13): You will see NRT as a hub continue to remain a very strong part of DL's network but there will be some markets where DL will replace intra-Asia (ex-NRT) service with nonstops from the US but they will add new intra-Asia markets. There is an enormous amount of potential left for DL in Asia - to look at what UA has in Asia and believe that is all DL can do is a serious mistake.
Also maybe some more USA-NRT flights (SLC going daily maybe BOS on a 787 and so on.)
DeltaL1011man From United States, joined Sep 2005, 4502 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7096 times:
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 21): I noticed there is an NW/DL 744 for sale on planemart. 1999 build. Any idea as to why they want to get rid of it and a newer aircraft at that.
M404 From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2013 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (6 months 6 days ago) and read 5308 times:
Referencing the comments about a supposed loss of image in Asia for DL I know nothing about that but I would like an estimate of what NWs image was. Hadn't they taken a beating from Narita airport authorities due delays and mechanicals? I've heard all sorts of name calling about NW being a cheap "bucket" sales carrier. It's understood that most routes from Asia are now losing money but I'm wondering if some was from NWs own reputation.
Any viewpoints?
Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
United1 From United States, joined Oct 2003, 2820 posts, RR: 3 Reply 25, posted (6 months 6 days ago) and read 5269 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 22): Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 21):
I noticed there is an NW/DL 744 for sale on planemart. 1999 build. Any idea as to why they want to get rid of it and a newer aircraft at that.
link?
There are no NW/DL 747s for sale on Planemart, there is a 767-332 up for sale however.
26 TWAL1011727: I just took delivery of January 2009 Sky Mag on page 105 Yes....it does show pictured the B747-400 along with the A330-200 and the A320 with mention
27 United1: http://www.delta-sky.com/fullmagazine/2009_01/ Its already on the web if you want to take a look at it...the updated route maps look rather cool as do
28 Spacecadet: Basically all US airlines have that reputation in Japan, however Northwest was always considered kind of an "honorary" Japanese airline for various r
29 DeltaL1011man: right its one that has been gone for a while. They have one or two (maybe a few more) "extras" sitting in VCV that they bring out in peak times.
30 Floridaflyboy: Yep, they sure do. They are still NW crewmembers. Fact is, the ONLY thing DL about the DL 744 is the paint job. Apart from that, it's NW lock stock a
31 DL Widget Head: And you know this how? I agree, it will be a fantastic magazine but hopefully, they'll use DL's route maps structure instead of that convoluted mess
32 Burnsie28: I have them both and yes I know NW's is thinner, I was talking about the graphics, for whatever reason they like to use a million yellow squares. Her
33 United1: Could be something entirely new as the January issue of Sky is using a different route map structure then the december one did... http://www.delta-sk
34 Panamair: And by your logic, United should never have dropped the Pan Am brand in Asia/Pacific when they first took over Pan Am's Pacific operations in 1985. A
35 Panamair: Recent Sky Magazine cover stories: July 2008: Malaga, Spain (not Africa, ATL, SLC...) Aug 2008: Stockholm, Sweden (not Africa, ATL, SLC) Sept 2008: M
36 DL Widget Head: Thanks United1. Believe it or not, that's the first time that I've seen the DL/NW combined route maps. Looks great; definitely better than what the W
37 Jetlanta: If they saw themselves as a regional airline operating only in Japan, you might have a point. But Delta is a global airline with a reach far beyond J
38 DL Widget Head: Just noticed something interesting on the Jan 09 route map. The Pacific map shows a DL route from LAX to Tahiti. Did I miss something?
39 United1: No that's the AF route I think, if you take a look at the European map it looks like all the AF KL & AZ transatlantic routes are displayed as DL rout
40 United1: Actually I found a few errors and omissions and I'm wondering if whoever made this map may not have always known the difference between a code share
41 QF744ER: I think the -451 for sale is one of the UA ones originally built for NW.
42 Panamair: Yes, the LAX-PPT route is the AF route, but it will soon also come under the 50-50 JV between DL and AF, hence it probably makes sense to show all th
43 United1: Perhaps I'm just blind but I'm not seeing any -451s for sale on that website. http://www.planemart.com/FAA/Listing...rcial&typeMfr=BOEING&model=747-4
44 QF744ER: Try speednews mate, it was advertised on that site.
45 The777Man: Nice information about the Delta Fleet in the magazine....wish UA had something similiar in Hemispheres..... The777Man
46 QF744ER: United1, Just checked it's 26474/988 N106UA that's advertised for sale. Also shown are MSN 25395 and 26881 mate.
47 DeltaL1011man: huh? DL had PDX-NRT,PDX-NGO and PDX-FUK flights(ontop of ATL-NRT,LAX-NRT and JFK-NRT) IIRC thats it. got a link?(not because i don't believe you but
48 QF744ER: DL1011man, speednews.com....register as a member then click on Aircraft then B747 and it'll bring up the listings. NA, if your reading this 9V-SPF and
49 Floridaflyboy: Because I live in Minneapolis and have several friends who work for MSP Communications. They have told me that there will be more resemblance to Worl
50 WorldTraveler: the idea here that airlines develop bad images or reputations for dropping service is fanciful. No one outside of a few individuals on a.net believe
51 SkyTeamTriStar: A compelling viewpoint. The January issue of WT has Top Ten Festivals. HUH? How will this promote the airlines's initiatiaves? The best promoter wins
52 United1: Cool thanks... That was the -451 that was rejected during UAs BK, UA still operates the other -451 N105UA. I had thought that plane was headed to Son
53 CYasutomo: I'm highly amused by all these posts about how strong NW's brand is and how DL is foolish to get rid of it. Of the largest airlines at NRT (JL, NH, N
54 DeltaL1011man: I know but it'd still be cool to end up with 18 747-451s. (this is if they could get the other away from UA)
55 Zeke: Correct, the pilot pools from NW and DL have merged into a common list. Under the terms of the pool merger agreement, for a period of 5 years, only N
56 Centrair: Are there any other planes inline for repainting? When is an A330 getting the DL treatment? Asfor NW in Asia. It wasn't always this way. Remember Japa
57 OA412: The "deportland" nicknmae was given to the city of Portland owing to the seemingly large number of Japanese citizens who were refused entry by the po
58 Centrair: AA and UA are not any better because they are in an Alliance with JL or NH. That would mean that NW/DL should be in great shape as they are in an alli
59 Lovetojetblue: What day in march? In the mean time, the fleet page should be a couple pages long.
61 CMHARJ: So APR 1 will be the day that I get really bad gas when NW switches to Coke?
62 M404: Centrair - CYasutomo - Spacecadet Thank you very much for your opinions. That was what I was looking for. I fully agree that NW had the long term expo
63 CYasutomo: M404: About NW's Asian crews. I did not find them to be much better than the American crews. Maybe a little less abrupt (rude?), but overall still pre
64 Evan767: So who has seen the new Sky Magazine? It's awesome. The new 2D route map is a vast improvement, IMO over the previous 1D one. The fleet page is comple
65 NWA757300: I do agree that some of my fellow co workers can be abrasive and exude little in the way of poise when it comes to their customer service skills, but
66 JetBlueGuy2006: That might be just your opinion though. Yes choices have to be made, and they did, but not everybody thinks NW is as horrible as you make them sound.
67 SkyTeamTriStar: Lots of DL fans awaited this edition of Sky. The most sought after pages in the whole thing were the fleets page, global maps. Sky seems a little thi
68 CYasutomo: Agreed, and I apologize. I want to go back and edit that post, but cannot seem to figure out how. Does Airliners not allow editing of past posts?
69 ZK-NBT: There was 1 on there last week otherwise I wouldn't have posted it, seems to have gone now though.
70 Gsosbee: Not quite correct Zeke. The airline is Delta; the airplane is owned by Delta; Delta is responsible for the operation (i.e. when things go bad, Delta
71 JetBlueGuy2006: Come on, they are not one carrier. Comair is wholly owned, and we all say Comair pilots. Until operating certificates are merged, they are two carrie
72 Jetlanta: For the record, I don't think NW is horrible at all. In fact, I have nothing but nice things to say about the 10+ times I flew them in 2008. My point
73 Bobnwa: As was stated above, Delta was never known as Deportland, that was the city of Portland. Suggest you forget that claim .
74 WorldTraveler: you are right but Asian airlines aren't the only ones that have high levels of service. There are European airlines that have high service levels as
75 MCOAviationFan: The 5 year period begins once the SOC has been received.
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