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Questions About The Nord N262  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Yesterday I passed the abandoned Tempelhof airfield and could see the old Nord 262 that is standing there.
I really know very little about this aircraft. I don´t think it was a huge success. How come ?
Was it an inferior plane to the F27 Friendship ?
How many aircraft were build and are currently in service ?
What airlines operated them ? I only know the French Military and Tempelhof Airways as operators.


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4359 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

there is more info on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_262, at first sight it is an accurate story. Indeed with 110 built it was just a modest seller. I believe early operators like Lake Central were underwhelmed about this aircraft, due to engine problems which even kept the aircraft grounded for a while. This might have ruined future sales. And not to forget the market for small prop aircraft was much smaller back then.
The F-27 with 44-52 seats was a better replacement for Convair/DC-3 sized aircraft. The Nord with about 29 seats (3 abreast) was narrower then a DC-3 and might have been seen as too small. Fokkers salesteam and support probably was also better and more experienced then a small company like Nord.
ATR clearly used some ideas from Nord though, and with almost 1000 sales and counting its heritage became a success 40 years later. Same with the A-320 which can be seen as sort of Mercure NG.
Personally I have been trying hard to fly on a Nord 262 for a while, I have been in Guatemala twice to get on a RACSA one but both times it was cancelled or went technical. RACSA (and Sosa in Honduras) stopped flying them by 2005. Now only a few civil ones survive in Congo which is too dangerous to visit.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5845 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

In the US, Nord 262s were operated by:

SwiftAire in California prior to the merger with Golden Gate. They were then operated by Golden Gate.

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Other US operators included Allegheny

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and Altair

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User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

The 262 was somewhat comparable to the EM-120 or Shorts 330. It seated about 25-27 and had a crew of 2 pilots and a flight attendant. With its original engines it seemed to be quite slow, but once the plane was updated to Mohawk 298 standards performance appeared to improve. I flew in the 262 on Ransome Airlines (an Allegheny Commuter carrier) on multi-stop flights between DCA and EWR back in the 1970s.

User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4998 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
I have been in Guatemala twice to get on a RACSA one but both times it was cancelled or went technical.

I flew on one of RACSA's Nord-262s. It was named "Rey Quiché". The route was GUA-FRS and even though the entire plane was falling apart and the weather was stormy, the flight was a very nice experience.

It went tech for the return flight to GUA so I flew back on a "Mayan World Airlines" (now defunct) ATR42.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
RACSA (and Sosa in Honduras) stopped flying them by 2005.

A good friend of mine was a first officer on one of those RACSA Nord 262s. He was on an incident once when one of the main landing gears collapsed upon touchdown at GUA and the aircraft almost went off the runway.



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1940 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

Would have loved to fly on the Nord 262....

9 Nord 262s of Allegheny's who got them thru the merger between Allegheny and Lake Central were converted by Frakes Aviation of Cleburne, Texas to be come the Mohawk M-298. They featured the Pratt and Whitney PT6A-45 engine with 5 blade props. It also had an APU installed on the right hand side Sponson (Main landing gear housing). They were initially built to be operated by Allegheny on some of the smaller routes that were served by the Convair 580s that were withdrawn from service around 1977....They wore the titles Allegheny Metro Express. Flew into cities such as Clarksburg, Altoona, Willimansport, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia to name a few...Infact of the 9, one of the craft crashed taking off from Clarksburg due to Icing issues....I belive that it was improperly de-iced. Eventually the remaining 8 were sold, 4 to be operated by Allegheny Comuuter carrier Pennsylvania Airlines based at Harrisburg and 4 went to Allegheny Commuter carrier Ransome Airlines based at North Philly Airport.

At present the 4 that went to Ransome headed down under to Australia to which one was sunk to make a reef, the others are either stored or scrapped. The 4 that went to Pennyylvania flew for a time with a carrier called National Florida but cam back to Pennsylvania. Richmor Aviaition bought I think 3 of the 4 and they are now all scrapped....As far as I know....

Other Nord 262 carriers in the US were Allegheny Commuter/Pocono Airlines, Pompano Airways, Northern Airlines, Scheduled Skyways as well as the aformentioned Lake Central, Ransome, Swift Aire, Altair and Golden Gate.

Cheers, Access-Air



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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4946 times:



Quoting Access-Air (Reply 5):
...Infact of the 9, one of the craft crashed taking off from Clarksburg due to Icing issues....I belive that it was improperly de-iced

I believe singer Leon Redbone was onboard and survived!


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

In France, the Nord N262 was operated by :

Air Inter :


Air Alsace :

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Air Limousin TA

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TAT Touraine Air Transport :

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EAS Europe Aero Service


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C.A.L Compagnie Aérienne du Languedoc :

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Air Littoral

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It was also operated by "Air Nautic" and largely used by the French Navy, the CEV (Centre d'Essais en Vol), the "DGAC" (Direction Générale de l'Aviation Civile :


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The French Navy is still using it :

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Canadian regional carrier Pacific Western operated a couple of Nord 262s for a while sometime in the late 1960s or early 1970s. They served a few points in southern British Columbia from YVR.



User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

Dan Air operated one for a short time, as did Cimber Air.

I remember seeing one in NBO about 3.5 years ago, I think it was operated as a calibration aircraft for the Kenyan government. I think there was also one in Denmark used for this purpose, which was just sold quite recently.

From what I have read regarding the original Handley Page Jetstream, the issues around the early models centered on the unreliability of the Turbomeca Bastan turboprops. Once it was re-engined with Garrett's, sales took off. I would imagine the N262 would have had the same problems.



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