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DL And NW Literally Merge At SEA 28DEC  
User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1945 posts, RR: 19
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13338 times:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...lnews/2008567319_webplanes28m.html

Two flights bound for the Midwest from Seattle were canceled this morning when the passenger-filled planes backed into each other as they left their gates, airport officials said.

No one was injured.

A Delta 737-800 plane, Flight 1288 to Cincinnati, was backing away from its gate at the Concourse Terminal at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, shortly before 7 a.m, according to airport spokeswoman Terri-Ann Betancourt.

At the same time, Betancourt said, a Northwest 757-300 plane, Flight 620 to Minneapolis, was backing away from its gate at the South Satellite Terminal.

The two planes bumped into each other. The flights were canceled and passengers were being transferred to other flights, Betancourt said.

Christine Clarridge: 206-464-8983 or cclarridge@seattletimes.com

Copyright © 2008 The Seattle Times Company


- I went looking for this story because last night at work I dealt with two passengers who flew in on us from ATL and before that SEA who were missing their NW bags. I asked why they were transferred to DL in SEA and they told me it was because their NW 757 to MSP was backed into another plane. I was shocked to hear this and had to look it up. Looks like the two airlines are "merging" faster than expected. Haha.

-Justin

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User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13204 times:

haha great thread title. Good think no one was hurt. Delta is in the A terminal still correct? Are they moving to S?

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4018 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13050 times:
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pushing back with no wingwalkers????


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineCo2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12831 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 2):
pushing back with no wingwalkers????

Pushing back with Menzies wingwalkers.



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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1945 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12750 times:



Quoting Co2BGR (Reply 3):


Pushing back with Menzies wingwalkers.

HAHAHA! So true. Anyone from SEA see this incident or know who was at fault?


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4018 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12577 times:
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last time i was there NW had their own rampers..........I imagine DGS handles DL........is that correct?


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1918 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12413 times:
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Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
last time i was there NW had their own rampers..........I imagine DGS handles DL........is that correct?

Its definatly DGS, not Menzies for DL in SEA



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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10051 times:

How could that happen? Don't these idiots on the ground watch what they're doing? I've pushed a Cessna 152 up, around and between planes on the ramp at my old FBO by hand, by myself dozens of times and never had an incident. You have a bunch of clowns doing this job day in, day out with at least three sets of eyes, a tug and ample room to maneuver (most SEATAC gates I've seen aren't very tight) and they still manage to ding up a multi-million dollar aircraft?


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User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9868 times:



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 7):
Don't these idiots on the ground watch what they're doing? I've pushed a Cessna 152 up, around and between planes on the ramp at my old FBO

And pushing THIS thing around makes you an authority on ramp procedures?  rotfl  rotfl 

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User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9842 times:

The DL 800 is currently in the NW hangar. Doors are closed so I can't see in. Usually they have a 330 parked in there when I get to work but not this morning.

User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9647 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 8):
And pushing THIS thing around makes you an authority on ramp procedures?

Clearly they weren't following procedure if this incident happened. All I'm saying is that they got more guys, plenty of room, radios and they still screw up... royally.

BTW try pulling a fully fueled 152 with a hand push rod on an inclined ramp weaving between planes in the summer heat... then maybe you won't berate people before paying your dues.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9576 times:



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 10):
ed. All I'm saying is that they got more guys, plenty of room, radios and they still screw up... royally.

Plane is just a tad bigger thou  Wink



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5111 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9523 times:



Quoting Co2BGR (Reply 3):
Pushing back with Menzies wingwalkers.

ROFL!!!

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 6):
Its definatly DGS, not Menzies for DL in SEA

Are you positive on that? I understood that DGS lost the contract a year or so ago, and that Menzies had it. I felt sick to my stomach when I heard that.

NW has its own rampers. Mechanics push, rampers wing walk it.



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User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9451 times:



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 10):
BTW try pulling a fully fueled 152 with a hand push rod on an inclined ramp weaving between planes in the summer heat... then maybe you won't berate people before paying your dues.

I find it hard to believe that you were following your company's recommended policies and procedures yourself there. It sounds like you were being a showoff daredevil - with other people's property.

Pushing someone else's plane by hand all by yourself in the searing summer heat, up a hill backwards while swerving in and out in between other people's planes ... Cmon.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31212 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9321 times:
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I know Menzies handles some, if mot all, AS ramp work at SEA.

[Edited 2008-12-29 16:42:58]

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8356 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 12):
NW has its own rampers. Mechanics push, rampers wing walk it.

Mechanics push to move the aircraft to maint not regular departures, maybe this was just NW's way of telling DL what they really thought.



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User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8242 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
I know Menzies handles some, if mot all, AS ramp work at SEA.

The freighter ramp operations in SEA are handled by AS Cargo agents at the Cargo facility. For the combi flights, the main deck loading is done by AS Cargo agents while the below wing is done by Menzies.


User currently offlineR12055p From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6887 times:

Maybe they forgot that all the ice in Seattle had melted.

User currently offlineTsalas08 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6798 times:



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 10):

Not in any way condoning the rampers involved in the incident (nor will I berate them given the lack of details regarding the incident)

But, pushing a 172 is way different than pushing a 757 or 737. Also, depending on company procedure, only one wing walker may have been necessary.

Anyone know the layout of the gates involved?


User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

So as I got into work this morning, the NW hanger door was partially open and the DL 800 was still there. I could not see any damage or patches from my viewpoint, I was looking at the right side of the aircraft. I also noticed that a NW 757 was parked tail-in next to the DL 800. I would have to assume that was the other a/c involved. Could not tell if there was any damage as I could only see a portion of the a/c.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

It doesn't matter who was pushing either aircraft - both crews were at fault unless one plane was parked.

That being said, it is a given that whoever was subcontacting for DL will pay for the accident. DL has little tolerance for subcontractors not doing their job and when they screw up, they pay and that is usually specfied in the contract. One of the advantages is that if a contractor screws up, you can fine them or make them pay for the damage. If an employee screws up you can fire them but you can't collect for damages.

Hopefully SEA will become a station with DL/NW ramp employees post merger. It is certainly a large enough station esp. post merger that there should be DL/NW employees running the operation, esp. if it will include multiple int'l flights.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4135 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 12):
Are you positive on that? I understood that DGS lost the contract a year or so ago, and that Menzies had it. I felt sick to my stomach when I heard that.

I thought the DL contract went to Airserv or someone obscure like that? I can't remember. DGS did lose the contract though.

Let's not forget that the ground controller, and the 2 captains have to be partially at fault.

And I don't think anyone should be tooting the fact that one of the ground handlers was a contractor because the other responsible ground crew was a union crew. Bogus move by all parties involved regardless of who you work for or what your job title is.


User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3779 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 21):
Hopefully SEA will become a station with DL/NW ramp employees post merger. It is certainly a large enough station esp. post merger that there should be DL/NW employees running the operation, esp. if it will include multiple int'l flights.

Per a memo sent out to all of us by SVP Crystal Knotek, that's the plan...



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12260 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3745 times:
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At least the mishap gave me the opportunity to fly a NW 747-200  Smile


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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3576 times:



Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 21):
And I don't think anyone should be tooting the fact that one of the ground handlers was a contractor because the other responsible ground crew was a union crew. Bogus move by all parties involved regardless of who you work for or what your job title is.

Agreed, just because you are a full-time employee doesn't mean you won't make a mistake. And the ground controller should know the position of each acft he is giving permission to push, in relation to others.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 7):
You have a bunch of clowns doing this job day in, day out with at least three sets of eyes, a tug and ample room to maneuver (most SEATAC gates I've seen aren't very tight) and they still manage to ding up a multi-million dollar aircraft?

I don't know about that. The last time i was in SEA DL uses the very last of the new A gates, and they are fairly close to the S gates. Especially if the DL -800 was pushed back slighty waiting for the De-Ice truck. I know I sat there for over 30 minutes in a DL 737 waiting for the De-Ice truck to come.



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User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

just part of the 2 billion in expected savings..... this cracks me up


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