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Mesaba Loses 10 CR9's  
User currently offlineWingnutMN From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 645 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11613 times:

Per a company memo, Mesaba is no longer recieving all 15 CR9 that were awarded to us under DCI. It says that we will only take 5 of them and fly them out of SLC. The other 10 are going to ASA. It also mentioned a hiring freeze for pilots. I guess its DL way of saying welcome to DCI.


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User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11552 times:

Well if this is true I'm sorry for the guy's at Mesaba but at the same time I glad to see Skywest let ASA in on some of the CRJ900 action.


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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11465 times:

It's not all great for ASA... they'll take 10 900s, but park 20 200s. I guess it makes sense for the 10 900s to go to ASA to help mitigate the loss of the 200s. I feel bad for all the folks waiting for classes to start at Mesaba... especially the ones who were furloughed from other airlines. Since all our future classes were canceled, there is basically nowhere to go now.

User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11450 times:

Wow this is quite a surprise! That is really too bad for Mesaba! It seems that Mesaba is doing an excellent job with these new birds.

Any idea what is going to happen between Shuttle America and Compass?

~Tim  Smile



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11368 times:

It's about time. I never though OO would give ASA 76 seaters. Are they going to be ATL or SLC based?

Quoting WingnutMN (Thread starter):

There must have been a reason why the contract went to ASA. These a/c were owned by DL correct? The contract must have fell through.

[Edited 2008-12-29 17:02:24]


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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11086 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):
There must have been a reason why the contract went to ASA. These a/c were owned by DL correct? The contract must have fell through.

The reasons I could see is that now ASA is the largest carrier (for flights) for DL and the only one currently without a FC product. DL would like to get ASA -900's to regain International flights lost from Shuttle America and Pinnacle. Allow ASA to utilize a -900 for flights to Canada ie: YUL that currently does not offer FC on ASA flights...etc etc. I hope it's true ASA is way overdue for some -900's and our performance has improved leaps and bounds, and I think DL has taken notice.



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User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11015 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):
ASA -900's to regain International flights lost from Shuttle America and Pinnacle.

Let see....
ATL - PLS
ATL - BZE
ATL - CZM
A big if since it now seasonal ATL - KIN
Just to name a few route where DL had the EV CRJ700 on before.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10891 times:



Quoting WingnutMN (Thread starter):
Per a company memo, Mesaba is no longer recieving all 15 CR9 that were awarded to us under DCI. It says that we will only take 5 of them and fly them out of SLC. The other 10 are going to ASA. It also mentioned a hiring freeze for pilots. I guess its DL way of saying welcome to DCI.

Well they are not losing them sicne they never had them yet. Your title made it sound like you were losing 10 of the NW CR9's.

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 1):
Well if this is true I'm sorry for the guy's at Mesaba but at the same time I glad to see Skywest let ASA in on some of the CRJ900 action.

Skywest didn't have a say, Delta says here are the planes here are the routes.



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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10890 times:



Quoting Belizexp (Reply 6):
Let see....
ATL - PLS
ATL - BZE
ATL - CZM
A big if since it now seasonal ATL - KIN
Just to name a few route where DL had the EV CRJ700 on before

And:

ATL-BJX
ATL-Monterey (Mexico it was a -200)
ATL-Guadalajara
ATL-CZM



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10824 times:

Great news for EV. Their service and on-time performance has improved exponentially over the past couple years. I remember the first summer I started working for Comair and EV was just terrible. They were delayed all the time and CS wasn't very good. Over time though, they really cleaned up their act and have gotten much better. On-time performance has definitely been better and the flight crews are very pleasant to deal with. I'm happy for ASA, they definitely deserve this.

One question, though. Are the new -900s going to have better seats than the current -200s. I've never been a huge fan of EV's seats, the leather seems cheaper than some other regionals, like OO. I hope they upgrade the seats with the addition of these new aircraft.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10772 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):
The reasons I could see is that now ASA is the largest carrier (for flights) for DL

I thought EV operated the most flights of all DCI carriers for many years. I guess that might be different as I could remember as early as 2005, Comair had a pretty decent operation in ATL.

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 6):
Let see....
ATL - PLS
ATL - BZE
ATL - CZM
A big if since it now seasonal ATL - KIN
Just to name a few route where DL had the EV CRJ700 on before.



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 8):
And:

ATL-BJX
ATL-Monterey (Mexico it was a -200)
ATL-Guadalajara
ATL-CZM

ATL-BQN (discontinued)
ATL-PSE (discontinued)
ATL-STX

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
Skywest didn't have a say, Delta says here are the planes here are the routes.

That's not what i've heard over and over. Hopefully someone with the contractual knowledge can chime. But my understanding was that the a/c are actually allocated to SkyWest Inc. and they decide who will hold the certificate. The original order of CR9s that were to go to ASA and subsequently went to OO or the CR7s that were transferred from ASA to OO. Although ASA gained some a/c from OH and OO. No rebidding was conducted during any of the cases.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10744 times:



Quoting Acey559 (Reply 9):

If i'm not going crazy Big grin the seats on ther CR7s are a different design that that of the 200s. I've only flown on their CR7 twice and it was a bit more pleasant that the 200. As far as the 9s, I know even the non NextGen a/c have a much better seat and I do believe these factory fresh a/c are NextGen as opposed to the earlier ones delivered to OO.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10594 times:



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 2):
It's not all great for ASA... they'll take 10 900s, but park 20 200s. I guess it makes sense for the 10 900s to go to ASA to help mitigate the loss of the 200s. I feel bad for all the folks waiting for classes to start at Mesaba... especially the ones who were furloughed from other airlines. Since all our future classes were canceled, there is basically nowhere to go now.

Company memo at ASA states that the CR2s won't begin phase out until 2010. The CR9s will be on company property as follows: 4 in April, 3 in May and 3 in June. They will continue to operate the full fleet of CR2s and the additional CR9s throughout 2009 so no furloughs just yet. They are saying they will try to get "new flying" for the 20 a/c during the 1+yr period. Who knows what may happen in a year.

It's also being said that ASA/OO mgmt is negotiating with DL to keep some of the former ATR routes in house so we may not see as many Saabs as we thought we would have in ATL. Again who know in this industry!  Wink

As for Mesaba, I know their January class was canceled so they guys must be feeling pretty bummed...



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User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10059 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
Skywest didn't have a say, Delta says here are the planes here are the routes.

SkyWest Airlines itself doesn't but SkyWest Inc does. They are giving ASA these birds to bring up the service level as EV lately have been improving in over-all services. SkyWest Inc. wants to bring back ASA good images.

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 9):
Great news for EV. Their service and on-time performance has improved exponentially over the past couple years. I remember the first summer I started working for Comair and EV was just terrible. They were delayed all the time and CS wasn't very good. Over time though, they really cleaned up their act and have gotten much better. On-time performance has definitely been better and the flight crews are very pleasant to deal with. I'm happy for ASA, they definitely deserve this.

Very good job indeed. I believe that the new management EV brought over from OO did a wonderful job cleaning up all the mess.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10025 times:



Quoting WingnutMN (Thread starter):
It also mentioned a hiring freeze for pilots.

Well, there goes that idea....  sigh 

 banghead 

-Mir



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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9385 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):
Are they going to be ATL or SLC based?

My contacts say that all the EV 900's will be ATL based.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
Skywest didn't have a say, Delta says here are the planes here are the routes.

That's sort of right, SkyWest Inc got the birds and decided where to send them.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
I thought EV operated the most flights of all DCI carriers for many years.

EV has been has been for many years and still is the largest DCI carrier, they're operating about 800 flights a day at the moment if my memory servers me correct. OH is about 500 and OO is about 450, that rounds out the top three and I think majority of the DCI flying before you add in XJ, CP, 9E flying not yet included in DCI.


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 8276 times:



Quoting WingnutMN (Thread starter):

Your title is COMPLETELY misleading and should be revised immediately. We're not losing anything!! We're still gaining 5 900s and will still be the largest operator of 76 seat aircraft at Delta by a good margin.



Good goes around!
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 8222 times:



Quoting WingnutMN (Thread starter):
Per a company memo, Mesaba is no longer recieving all 15 CR9 that were awarded to us under DCI. It says that we will only take 5 of them and fly them out of SLC. The other 10 are going to ASA. It also mentioned a hiring freeze for pilots. I guess its DL way of saying welcome to DCI.

Good to see OO letting EV get in on the CR9 flights.

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):
The reasons I could see is that now ASA is the largest carrier (for flights) for DL and the only one currently without a FC product. DL would like to get ASA -900's to regain International flights lost from Shuttle America and Pinnacle. Allow ASA to utilize a -900 for flights to Canada ie: YUL that currently does not offer FC on ASA flights...etc etc. I hope it's true ASA is way overdue for some -900's and our performance has improved leaps and bounds, and I think DL has taken notice.

Doesn't work like that. DL gives the planes to OO and OO says if OO or EV flys them this is the reason we only see OO CR9s in ATL (now along with 9E too) and not EV.
As for EV routes that should be on the CR9, If for some reason EV doesn't get them then 9E or OO would most likely take over the routes. (not saying EV wont get them but I'll believe it when i see it)

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):
Are they going to be ATL or SLC based?

IMHO if they went to SLC OO would take them.



yep.
User currently offlineBHMDiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6574 times:

All I can say is Hell Yeah! Finally, DL has given ASA the chance to shine! This is great news for all of EV.

User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6151 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11):
the seats on ther CR7s are a different design that that of the 200s.

I've flown on their -700 a couple times, but honestly I didn't even pay attention enough to notice. Hopefully I'll be on one this time next week so I can figure it out then.  Smile

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11):
As far as the 9s, I know even the non NextGen a/c have a much better seat and I do believe these factory fresh a/c are NextGen as opposed to the earlier ones delivered to OO.

That will be very nice. I flew on my first -900 earlier in the month on OO and it was a very comfortable airplane. My two roommates were commenting on how all of the DCI and DL mainline airplanes we flew on (-700, -900, MD-90, -700) were much more comfortable than the AA 767 they had just taken to DUB. Great news, nonetheless and I look forward to hopping on one of these birds.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12255 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6121 times:
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Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
Well they are not losing them sicne they never had them yet. Your title made it sound like you were losing 10 of the NW CR9's.

Exactly. We are still gaining five, just not all 15. Of course not as good, but still better than nothing.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6072 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5823 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 17):
Doesn't work like that. DL gives the planes to OO and OO says if OO or EV flys them this is the reason we only see OO CR9s in ATL (now along with 9E too) and not EV.

I wouldn't exactly say that. The more likely reason is that since DL owns the planes, SKYW would want those planes at ASA, as they don't want those planes at OO, as OO has their names on every plane they fly (aside from tail swaps with other DL regionals that both gain something from, but that's a whole 'nother topic.)



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User currently offlineWingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

I don't believe the title is misleading. We were already hiring to fill the 10 planes that we will not be recieving. We already had enough staff for the 5 planes we are still recieving. They called pilots and told them they won't be in classes in january. They still leave open the option of furloughs because we still may be over staffed! To me that means we are out 10 airplanes.


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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7352 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4963 times:



Quoting WingnutMN (Thread starter):
Per a company memo, Mesaba is no longer recieving all 15 CR9 that were awarded to us under DCI. It says that we will only take 5 of them and fly them out of SLC. The other 10 are going to ASA. It also mentioned a hiring freeze for pilots. I guess its DL way of saying welcome to DCI.

Ironically, DL was very slow to get rid of 50 seaters, but now that fuel has crashed the 50 seater is very/very attractive again. They really should halt any further plans to park them until fuel goes back up which may be a long time.


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

All future hiring and classes at Mesaba have been canceled with everyone now going into a pool. No furloughs are anticipated because we're not terribly overstaffed as of this announcement. Remember we still had 6 months worth of classes scheduled to staff these planes... none of those people are on property yet. Let's be very clear... this didn't happen because Mesaba screwed something up. DL just decided 10 of them would be best flown by ASA for whatever reason. In the end, it doesn't really matter.

Everyone at XJ should quit the sky is falling mentality... 'cause it's NOT! We're still gaining 5 planes, all to be flown at SLC on current routes operated by OO. There will be no SLC base, but staffed primarily form the MSP base.


25 PGNCS : They are just less unattractive with lower fuel costs.
26 Pilotboi : Ok so of the original 15, 8 were coming from the factory and 7 were going to come from 9E. So which 5 are still going to XJ and which 10 are going to
27 DurangoMac : According to BH's memo today, EV will be getting 8 from the factory and 2 will come from 9E. So that leaves XJ to get the other 5 coming from 9E.
28 Azjubilee : Yes... XJ will get 5 used 900s. They're all still next-gens and newer than our original 900, ship 901, built in 2007.
29 Floridaflyboy : We are not 10 airplanes!! For crying out loud, why the doom and gloom?? I work at XJ too and I'm just as disappointed at the news, but if you want to
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : DL is really starting to take a look at the way they do business on the DCI side. They are feeling the scope pinch as we speak. They are fast approac
31 Floridaflyboy : One thing, of course is that they are pulling some additional NW DC-9s out of storage, which should help the mainline aircraft numbers. I don't see D
32 DeltaL1011man : Also it needs to be noted the CRJ-900 is in fact in the DALPA contract. (along with the E90,E95 and 739ER)
33 Azjubilee : Why does it need to be noted? The 900 or any other small jet will NEVER be flown at mainline.
34 DeltaL1011man : then why did they put it in the contract? I mean if its not possible then why waste the time?
35 Azjubilee : Probably for contingency planning... the cost efficiencies of small jets being flown at the regional level would be negated if mainline were flying th
36 JetJeanes : Im wondering if mesaba and pinacle are going to be doomed over all of this. They might could do some cal flying
37 Azjubilee : This Freedom shuffle has little to do with Pinnacle. Once they get rid of the 7 Freedom 900s they're babysitting for Mesaba and ASA, they're on their
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : Certainly not. I would say both has a VERY high chance of continuing to fly for DCI well into the future. Heck, Mesaba has the most CR9s as someone e
39 Burnsie28 : Because the CRJ-900 can seat more than 76 which is the RJ/Mainline thresh-hold. Thats why, so take out some FC and now you have mainline. Thats why.
40 FlyASAGuy2005 : Yep. I was always under the impression that the CR9 could seat up to 90 in an all coach config.
41 KaiGywer : I think Mesa is the one with the most seats here in the US. They have all coach configs with 86 seats
42 FlyASAGuy2005 : My guess is that it is under the US Air banner?
43 Apodino : I flew a Mesaba CRJ-900 recently. The captain told me that the Freedom Air 900's are different than the Mesaba 900's, and that there was going to be d
44 Azjubilee : The differences are minimal for the pilots and nothing major. The "blue" 900s have an AHRS system as opposed to the IRS system found on the "red" 900s
45 KaiGywer : Your guess is correct
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