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Concourse C At CVG: anything Left?  
User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

Hello, was just curious as to how many flights were left going into concourse C at CVG? Will it totally be shut down as of Wednesday night? If I remember all flights were to be shifted to A & B. Any of the shops and restaurants making the move as well?

Thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6063 times:

Didn't get a chance to swing by Concourse C today, but there were about 6-8 CRJs parked there today - they were all in the pier closest to Concourse A.

There were about 8 RJs parked at the end of Concourse B (by the easternmost runway), and every other gate was divided into two gates now (so it was gate B16, B18/20, B22, B22/24, etc.) throughout the concourse. Of course, some split gates still took mainline planes - B15/17 was used for the 737-700 flight to SNA today.

Concourse B was definitely a little busier today than it's been in the past...


User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5886 times:

I rolled through there about 3 weeks ago aboard a Comair CRJ and landed in A. I bussed over to 2 to get a look around and only saw 5 planes with C gate assignments at that moment in the mid afternoon.

User currently offlineLovetojetblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

Truly wasteful. I flew in to CVG 8/4 from SAV and was one of 4 aircraft and one of two on that concourse. I think I saw maybe 8 employees, at least 4 of which were standing around at the door where the bus picks you up. They were doing nothing in particular, one was leaning against a wall and another was directing a UNIFORMED soldier how to get to one of the B concourse smoking rooms, which there are apparently an abundance of. This may be a good thing on Delta's part, as i imagine that those employees are theirs, so that means they were paying the electric bills, heating bills, other bills, and for staff thaat are barely doing anything. I would not be pleased to wait for a flight there in that concouorse. Very few seats, etc.


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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5575 times:



Quoting Lovetojetblue (Reply 3):
I would not be pleased to wait for a flight there in that concouorse. Very few seats, etc.

Are you sure we're talking about the same place? Last time I went through C there were MORE than plenty of seats, amenities, etc. While I'm sure most are closed off now, know that C was a very nice place to change planes. It will be missed in and of itself, but the busride won't.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5565 times:



Quoting Lovetojetblue (Reply 3):
Truly wasteful. I flew in to CVG 8/4 from SAV and was one of 4 aircraft and one of two on that concourse. I think I saw maybe 8 employees, at least 4 of which were standing around at the door where the bus picks you up. They were doing nothing in particular, one was leaning against a wall and another was directing a UNIFORMED soldier how to get to one of the B concourse smoking rooms, which there are apparently an abundance of. This may be a good thing on Delta's part, as i imagine that those employees are theirs, so that means they were paying the electric bills, heating bills, other bills, and for staff thaat are barely doing anything. I would not be pleased to wait for a flight there in that concouorse. Very few seats, etc.

There are no DL employees on the C Concourse to my knowledge - it's all Comair employees.

As for it being in August, the C Concourse operation was still in full swing there. I connected through there as recently as early November and the C Concourse was the same zoo that it's always been - no seating, no Crown Room, etc.

They've been gradually phasing out the C Concourse over the past month - which does save on electric, heating, etc, as they've shut down the Concourse one pier at a time.

That being said though, Concourse C was in use yesterday - there were 5-6 CRJs parked there during the morning rush at 900a (when all the westbound flights leave). CRJ-900s were now on the B Concourse (previously they were out of A) and CRJ-200/700s were parking on A on the side facing B. Plus, there were up to 10 CRJ/ERJs parked at the end of B.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5538 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 4):
Are you sure we're talking about the same place? Last time I went through C there were MORE than plenty of seats, amenities, etc. While I'm sure most are closed off now, know that C was a very nice place to change planes. It will be missed in and of itself, but the busride won't.

C was a glorified Greyhound station. No windows, never enough seats (never could find a seat in the large four seating areas - maybe 300 seats there for 10 flights leaving at roughly the same time means there are a lot of people having to stand), no Crown Room Club (there was originally supposed to be one on the second floor), the bus ride, only recently sheltered boarding (and even then, it was canopies, not jetways - always fun to step off a plane at 8a into the beautiful 0 degree Covington, KY "heat").

Concourse C was revolutionary - it was the first major hub terminal designed for regional aircraft. Before that, you had the regionals at hubs often using facilities designed for larger planes but were changed into RJ facilities due to the use of these planes. ATL was a major example of this (Concourse C is changing over to all jetways now, but D is still like this), UA's operations at ORD, DL at SLC, etc. are other examples of this. These facilities offered ground-level boarding of planes (no lugging that suitcase up and down stairs was a huge plus), as well as making it easy to change planes.

However, that generation of facility has passed us by. Jetways are now more common than not on RJs now (it seems like it's more often than not for me now). Facilities like DTW, what AA has done at ORD, DL is doing at ATL, etc. are now becoming the standard. Take that fact, plus the fact that DL has a ton of vacant capacity on A/B Concourses, gives DL the opportunity to make a more pleasant customer experience now.


User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

[quote=DeltAirlines,reply=6]C was a glorified Greyhound station.

As someone that grew up next to CVG when DL had merely a 6 gate concourse, I must disagree with you on C's experience overall. It might not be as modern as other ops in recent times, but I believe it was a nice experience overall. And with probably 100 connections under my belt there as a paying passenger, I don't believe I ever lacked a seat to sit in or a scotch to down while waiting. I'd change planes in C a thousand times before I'd voluntarily make an Eagle connection at ORD, as I'm quite familiar with their ops too.



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User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

Don't forget the huge advantage of using jetways for RJs is the ability to 'roll' on handicapped people rather than using the lift contraptions. That is partially why the canopy ramps were introduced, but still had to wheel handicap chairs down elevators and such.

Jetways are huge improvements for all, especially those with special needs.



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I've always thought Concourse C was revolutionary for its time. As someone pointed out, it was the first dedicated terminal/concourse at a hub for regional flights. But over the years it has become eclipsed by better regional terminals at places like AAEagle at ORD & DFW, or NW Airlink DTW and MSP, even MEM, giving the customer a more seamless experience that would be hard to differentiate between mainline and regional. DTW really does a good job in that aspect, as well as DFW and ORD. Shame to see it go but I think it will make better use of concourses A & B, which are far superior to what C ever was.

Looking at the CVG website, only one noticeable change I noticed as far as the shops and restaurants go was that the Dunkin Donuts has moved from C to A.


User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

I guess I'm showing my age and fondness for nastalgia! I wish for a return to the good ole days.  no 


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5427 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 7):
And with probably 100 connections under my belt there as a paying passenger, I don't believe I ever lacked a seat to sit in or a scotch to down while waiting.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. While I can't say I've connected through CVG 100 times (about 25 times for me), I can say that I've chosen to connect over ATL over CVG when I'm dealing with RJs 95% of the time simply to avoid Concourse C. If I was going mainline-to-mainline, CVG would be a no-brainer (did a decent number of BOS-CVG-LAS and return flights this year, so it was a mainline-to-mainline), but otherwise it was ATL (or SLC in a couple of cases) for me.


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5372 times:

While everyone keeps bashing on concourse C at CVG, it is/was far superior than Terminal E at SLC. Terminal E at SLC is simply dreadful, having very limited seating, which could be expanded if they took out that smoking room that takes a huge chunk of space right in the middle of the terminal. Terminal E has very limited concessions and the signage is terrible. I have seen many people confused about which plane/gate is their flight after passing by the check-in counter.


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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5372 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 11):
but otherwise it was ATL (or SLC in a couple of cases) for me.

Boy-o-boy, if you want to call any regional operation a Pit of Despair - it's SLC in my book.

Talk about cramped - THAT's where you find NOWHERE to sit, a FREEZING wind in the winter as you walk exposed to an aircraft. SLC's terminal E is a nuthouse and I've missed more connections to mainline at that place that anywhere else! See now ya got me started, LOL!

The only thing SLC has over CVG's C is no buses.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5085 times:



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 13):

Boy-o-boy, if you want to call any regional operation a Pit of Despair - it's SLC in my book.

Fortunately SLC has always been a mainline-to-mainline (or Connection-to-mainline, never a mainline-to-connection) layover for me. But I've seen the E Gates and they look as bad as the C gates at CVG.

Anyways, it looks like Concourse C might just be sticking around for a while...check out this post from a Comair employee on FlyerTalk: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...67-concourse-c-now-closed-cvg.html

Basically, the gist of it is, during the 7 p.m. bank (departures primarily to the East Coast), there will be more planes than parking spots at CVG. Thus, Gates C60-C79 (the gates closest to Concourse A) will be used. Buses will leave from Gate A2 to Concourse C (this is where the buses from A were taken from) and will go to the C Concourse. From there, passengers will board their flights. There will be facilities whatsoever in Concourse C - no shops, no concessions, no bathrooms, no nothing.


User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

Dunkin maybe about 2 years ago announced a major expansion in the Cincinnati metro (they had precisely 2 franchises in 2005)

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 14):
Buses will leave from Gate A2 to Concourse C (this is where the buses from A were taken from) and will go to the C Concourse

Why even bother? Why not just board the passengers onto the aircraft from bus directly if you're not going to offer any amenities in the terminal?


User currently offlineOcracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4763 times:



Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 15):
Dunkin maybe about 2 years ago announced a major expansion in the Cincinnati metro (they had precisely 2 franchises in 2005)

Off of the top of my head (not that this has anything to do with Concourse C  Wink ), there is one on US42 in Florence, one on Buttermilk in Cresent Springs, one off of US42 just north of I275, one in Sharonville/Forest Park area (don't remember the street name that on is one).

Those four have been around for at least the past 10 years of so. I'm sure there are others I don't know of.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

Slight clarification from the poster on FT:

You will get your BP scanned at A2. You'll then go downstairs to the former bus station, take the bus to Gate 61, where you will enter the pier and board the plane. You won't go into the terminal area at all, etc. Getting off the bus will be equivalent to what happens once you got your BP scanned in Concourse C.

Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 15):
Why even bother? Why not just board the passengers onto the aircraft from bus directly if you're not going to offer any amenities in the terminal?

That's a good question. I'm going to look to see how many flights are exactly impacted by this change, and push came to shove, why not just space them apart enough so the buses can turn around and not have them go into the terminal.

Does sound like there will be no reason to go to the bathroom, etc. in C as you'll be in the pier for no more than 2 minutes.


User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4733 times:



Quoting Ocracoke (Reply 16):
US42 in Florence

Forgive me, i excluded Florence Y'all  Smile

My point (which I somehow neglected to write down) was that Dunkin, is attempting to expand like crazy so they weren't about to let a terminal shutdown impact their CVG operations

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 17):

Ah that makes more sense - and probably still allows them realize most of the cost savings of C's shutdown then.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

Just for my own curiosity (and I'm sure others on this board...), some CVG numbers:

Data is for Monday, January 5.

Delta (excluding Northwest ops) has 263 flights/day at CVG. To break this number down:

Equipment:
CRJ: 96 flights
CRJ-700: 18 flights
CRJ-900: 23 flights
ERJ-145: 85 flights
737-700: 2 flights
737-800: 22 flights
757-200: 3 flights
767-300: 2 flights
MD-88: 7 flights
MD-90: 5 flights

Regional Jet w/o First Class: 199 flights
CRJ-900 (separate category since they at least have First): 23 flights
Mainline: 41 flights

CVG has 5 banks of flights:
6 a.m. - 1 flight (to ATL, not counting this as a bank)
7 a.m. - 5 flights (again, not counting this as a bank, it's to major O&D destinations of ATL, BOS, LGA, DCA and ORD)
9 a.m. - 62 flights (44 RJ, 5 CRJ-900, 13 mainline)
11 a.m. - 35 flights (31 RJ, 4 CRJ-900, 2 mainline)
2 p.m. - 52 flights (42 RJ, 4 CRJ-900, 6 mainline)
5 p.m. - 42 flights (31 RJ, 3 CRJ-900, 8 mainline; not including 3 gates occupied by CDG/LGW/FRA flts)
8 p.m. - 66 flights (51 RJ, 5 CRJ-900, 11 mainline)

I believe Delta has 22 parking positions over on the A Concourse.

Before reconfiguration, Delta had 28 parking positions on the B Concourse. Figure though that DL is parking about 8 RJs at the end of the B Concourse now (replacing two gates), so add 6 parking spots there. Add in the additional reconfigured gates on the B Concourse, that adds about 6-8 parking spots. So let's just say B can hold 40 planes.

That would leave four flights/day (all during the 8 p.m. bank) needing to bus over to C. It would get very tight at 9 a.m. (max capacity), but I tend to think DL could really make their CVG gates much more effective if desired.

To do this, let mainline only use B1-B10 (the decent sized gates on the FIS side of the airport) and B17/B19/B21/B23 (for some reason, DL always seems to park mainline here). That would give them 14 mainline gates, which covers all their operations and leaves one available for irrops, etc. Make B11/B13/B15 into RJ parking positions - you can fit up to 6 CRJs in here (I know at one point, these gates were able to take 767-300s...) and you get more room. Make B25 into an RJ gate and get two parking spots there. Put all the CRJ-900s and CRJ-700s on the north side of the B Concourse - you can consolidate those 8 gates into 9 parking positions. Add in B27/B28 becoming 8 RJ spots, and you get 14 mainline gates, 9 larger RJ spots and 16 small RJ spots there - that's 39 parking spots. Make the A Concourse all smaller RJ parking spots and you can fit another 28 spots in there - and that's before you fit in the NW/CO gates (the NW gates will be absorbed; CO might stay there or might go over to Terminal 2 to be next to UA; it's their choice to be next to their new partner or have much better facilities).


User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

I was in C on tuesday evening, and while it was a shadow of its former self, there was still a decent amount of pax and amenities over there.

I was on a CRJ2 from CMH...



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