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Retirement Of 744s By Major Carriers  
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

I would love to have a list of when the major carriers of the world will retire their 744 fleets. Many carriers have already stated when they intend to retire their 744s, but I cant remember when.

Any help appreciated


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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10516 times:

These birds should have plenty of life left in them! 744s don't rack up cycles like 737s!


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10510 times:



Quoting Jhooper (Reply 1):
These birds should have plenty of life left in them! 744s don't rack up cycles like 737s!

Yeah, I know, but many major carrier has already announced the retirement of their 744s, sadly.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10509 times:

AF will replace theirs in the next two-three years with 77Ws and A380s.

LH will start to replace theirs in 2010 when the first 747-8Is will arrive. In fact LH is the only airline where I am not sad to see the 744s go  Smile



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10519 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):

The first 744 hit the 100,000 hour mark not too long ago. I guess once the 748i comes into the fleet the oldest 744 will be sold.

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[Edited 2008-12-30 01:09:54]


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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10490 times:

NZ between 2012-2014, progressively replaced by 773 and 789 (if it ever gets off the ground!)

[Edited 2008-12-30 01:20:12]


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10490 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
In fact LH is the only airline where I am not sad to see the 744s go

Why is that?? Lack of PTV's?

Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
AF will replace theirs in the next two-three years with 77Ws and A380s.

Amazing!! Will they go to KL or to the grave yard??

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 4):
The first 744 hit the 100,000 hour mark not too long ago

True, and that is a amazing achievement



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

Those 744s with life left at the time of their retire will go on to second lives, right? UPS, Atlas, Evergreen, Polar, southern?

David



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10433 times:

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 7):
Those 744s with life left at the time of their retire will go on to second lives, right? UPS, Atlas, Evergreen, Polar, southern?

Well I dont know, but I think upon their retirement many of the 744s will be really really old with a lot of hours under their belt, e.g. the recently LH 744 that hit the 100,000 hours mark.

[Edited 2008-12-30 01:24:57]


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10418 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
Well I dont know, but I think upon their retirement many of the 744s will be really really old with a lot of hours under their belt, i.e. the recently LH 744 that hit the 100,000 hours mark.

The hours aren't the problem, usually its the cycles. And the 744s still have a lot of cycles left until they reach their structural limit here. See the old 741s which are still flying. They have a lot of hours but not too many cycles. So it shouldn't be a problem to convert them to freighter and let them fly another 10 years or so.

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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10418 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
Amazing!! Will they go to KL or to the grave yard??

Not KL, they will start the retirement in 2012 IIRC and don't need/want more 744's. KL will replace the pax versions with 77W's and the combi's likely with a350's/787's.



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10355 times:
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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10331 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
Why is that?? Lack of PTV's?

No because they will be replaced with new 747s instead of 77Ws  Smile



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10327 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 12):
No because they will be replaced with new 747s instead of 77Ws

Ahh, I see. Well I have to concur with you then.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 10):
Not KL, they will start the retirement in 2012 IIRC and don't need/want more 744's. KL will replace the pax versions with 77W's and the combi's likely with a350's/787's.

Okay. Then AF will also replace its 744s with 77Ws (and A380s).



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10295 times:

SQ will have phased out all 744 PAX by mid 2011.

CX will begin to phase out its 24 744s in 2013 though I wouldn't be surprised if a few maybe left before then.

BA was due to begin to phase out their 57 in 2013 but again I think a few may leave earlier, 3 are currently stored for the Northern Winter.

NH should be all gone by 2014 I think it is including 744D models.

Several carriers like UA, NW/DL, QF, TG, MH, JL havn't said anything that I'm aware of as to phasing 744s out. UA, JL and MH have off loaded some but will keep the rest for a few more years atleast.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10287 times:



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 14):
SQ will have phased out all 744 PAX by mid 2011.

Wow, not much time left for the SQ 744s!!

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 14):
BA was due to begin to phase out their 57 in 2013 but again I think a few may leave earlier, 3 are currently stored for the Northern Winter.

But I am sure it will take a few years for BA to retire their strong 744 fleet, as it is so big.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10229 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
But I am sure it will take a few years for BA to retire their strong 744 fleet, as it is so big.

I read 2023 as each aircraft comes to its 4th D-Check. They maybe gone a little sooner than 2023 but alot of their newer 744s were delivered between 1997/99 so maybe 2018/20 timeframe for the last aircraft. Then again it may stay 2023.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10196 times:



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
I read 2023 as each aircraft comes to its 4th D-Check. They maybe gone a little sooner than 2023 but alot of their newer 744s were delivered between 1997/99 so maybe 2018/20 timeframe for the last aircraft. Then again it may stay 2023.

Okay, that is great, because I love the 744 too much to see it go!



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10175 times:

Most B 747-400 operators will keep their B 747-400s for a long time to come.

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10137 times:

Well QF are supposed to officially retire their last B743 tomorrow 31-12-2008. On that basis we should see the first 744 retirement about 2014, but some how I think it will be closer to 2010/2012. The B744ERs should see 2020/2022 before retirements start as they are only six years or so old.

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10137 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 19):
The B744ERs should see 2020/2022 before retirements start as they are only six years or so old.

True those birds are still very young.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 19):
Well QF are supposed to officially retire their last B743 tomorrow 31-12-2008

Wow, that will for sure be a sad day.



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User currently offlineHoppe777 From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10034 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
No because they will be replaced with new 747s instead of 77Ws Smile

I cant wait !



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9948 times:



Quoting Hoppe777 (Reply 21):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
No because they will be replaced with new 747s instead of 77Ws Smile

I cant wait !

Hehe, seems you are the exact opposite of me  Smile



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User currently offlineHoppe777 From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9857 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 22):
Hehe, seems you are the exact opposite of me Smile

Oh no maybe you got me wrong, I mean I want them to stay. Bringing out the 747-8 will keep them in the air longer.......Im presuming all this by your name that you also are.....747 forever  Wink



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9826 times:



Quoting Hoppe777 (Reply 23):
Oh no maybe you got me wrong, I mean I want them to stay. Bringing out the 747-8 will keep them in the air longer.......Im presuming all this by your name that you also are.....747 forever

Hehe, Okay I see what you mean now. Got you wrong from the beginning.

So about 2020 we can be pretty sure that there are very few 744s in PAX version.



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25 A342 : What's the hours limit on the 744? IIRC the A330 / A340 has a 120,000 hours life limit (but please correct me if I'm wrong!).
26 Hoppe777 : That sux atleast I can say Ive been on dozens.... its upsetting to see them piling up in Arizona.....alas all good things come to an end.
27 WILCO737 : I don't know what the limit is for the 744. But they do not plan to retire them until the 748i comes and if the economy grows they maybe keep the 744
28 Post contains links Shanxz : They would have already been phased out earlier had the A380 arrived on time. The crew doesn't look forward to flying that plane, and I was shell sho
29 B747forever : Maybe the product is not as good as brand new SQ birds, but remember you fly on the Queen of the Skies
30 Pfletch1228 : SAA phased out all their 744s. They have now brought two of them out of retirement and back in service on JNB-Lagos and Luanda-Lisbon routes.
31 SEPilot : I don't think they have an hours limit. IIRC they were designed for 30,000 cycles; for almost all fleets that would be at least 150,0000 hours, and p
32 Post contains links VV701 : In the Notes to Accounts of their 2007-08 Annual Report BA give the expected life of their 744s as 25 years. Scroll to the bottom of the page at: htt
33 Tdscanuck : Ever since airliners went to damage tolerant design, I don't think anything has been built with an hours limit. There is a design service life. The m
34 Amax1977 : Sorry for asking the dumb question... But what is the cycle in this case? Thanks and regards, Amax
35 Ready5bird : Firstly - no question is a dumb question! A cycle AFAIK is a takeoff, flight and landing. Cheers! Happy new year to all!
36 Ryanair!!! : The original plan was for the 747-400s (Megatop) to leave by 2010. However this seems to have shifted slightly into the new decade. I suspect this is
37 Shanxz : Can't dispute that
38 JRDC930 : Aviation spotting just keeps getting more and more boring...YAY two engine bleh aircraft is all we get... soon itll just be A350/787 and 737/a32's wit
39 Tdscanuck : In normal use, it's what Ready5bird said: For different parts of the airframe, it's slightly different things from a design standpoint. For the landi
40 B747forever : That is a lot of time. Isnt BAs oldest 744s today about 20 years old??
41 Theginge : Yep just coming up to 20 years old next year.
42 Amax1977 : Ready5bird & Tdscanuck, Thank you very much. Cheers and happy new year Amax
43 Post contains images Keesje : 100.000 hrs is a rule of thumb for economical aircraft live, 20-25 yrs. The 747s narrow 3-4-3 seating in economy and inflexible upperdeck / A-zone com
44 Viscount724 : In my experience the 747 at 3-4-3 is basically identical to the 777 at 3-3-3, and the 777 at 3-4-3 is much less comfortable than the 747.
45 Post contains links VV701 : But while BA's oldest 744 (G-BNLA) first flew in June 1989 and, according to the CAA web site at: http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...e=detailnosu
46 NA : There will be higher utilized frames in the fleet, and also some lesser. Some which do mostly very long routes to the US East Coast (8 hours cycles),
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