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Airbus Delivers 12th A380  
User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14001 times:

FI reports: Airbus narrowly meets delivery target of 12 A380s in 2008

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...elivery-target-of-12-a380s-in.html

Congratulations.
21 A380s target for 2009.

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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 13838 times:



Quoting Chiad (Thread starter):
FI reports: Airbus narrowly meets delivery target of 12 A380s in 2008

Why "narrowly"?. I know it is not your words, Chiad. I react to the need journalists have to dramatize every news.
They could have use the title: "Airbus meets its target", or "12 A380 delivered in 2008 as planned". But no, it has to be "narrowly".
Congrats to the "nearly" competent Airbus and sub-contractors personnel who have managed to deliver "almost" flying ac to "just about" eager airlines.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30852 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 13831 times:
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Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
Why "narrowly"

I suppose it's because they did it on the next to last day... *shrug*


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 13776 times:



Quoting Chiad (Thread starter):
Airbus narrowly meets delivery target of 12 A380s in 2008



Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
I react to the need journalists have to dramatize every news.
They could have use the title: "Airbus meets its target"

Breiz, English may not be your first language. I don't think there is anything unusual with the choice of words used. Adding the word "narrowly" makes the statement more specific and accurate. If the 12th frame had been delivered 30th November, it would have been quite normal to say "Airbus comfortably meets delivery target of 12 A380s in 2008." Would you have objected to that?


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 13797 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
Why "narrowly"

I suppose it's because they did it on the next to last day... *shrug*

Thanks, Stitch. I'm not questioning the meaning, but the way to present the info.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25097 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 13702 times:



Quoting Chiad (Thread starter):
FI reports: Airbus narrowly meets delivery target of 12 A380s in 2008

As an interesting comparison, Boeing delivered 91 747s during its first 12 months of production, almost 2 per week.


User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13654 times:



Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
I react to the need journalists have to dramatize every news.

Well don't let IAD787 let you hear that!  Wink  Smile

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
As an interesting comparison, Boeing delivered 91 747s during its first 12 months of production, almost 2 per week.

Wow! I didn't know that!  wideeyed 


Anyways, congrats to Airbus for meeting it's deadline and to EK for receiving the 12th A380!  champagne   champagne 

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26900 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

Congrats to Airbus and the A380 program. Nothing like taking it to the wire.

Great to see 12 of these wonderful aircraft flying. Heres to the 21 for 2009  champagne 


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13220 times:



Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
Why "narrowly"?.

It's the next best title, they could think of.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
I suppose it's because they did it on the next to last day... *shrug*

You either meet the schedule or you don't. Any extras added might be an indication of the writers feelings toward the outcome. In this case I suspect, dissapointment.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
Great to see 12 of these wonderful aircraft flying. Heres to the 21 for 2009

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User currently offlineSsublyme From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13138 times:



Quoting Art (Reply 3):
Breiz, English may not be your first language. I don't think there is anything unusual with the choice of words used.

Interesting, I also had the same reaction as Breiz did when I read the title. Unnecessary over-dramatization with a hint of smugness if you ask me. Airbus revised their target 7 months in advance and stuck to it. I might be wrong, but weren't they supposed to deliver it today?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21499 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13096 times:



Quoting Breiz (Reply 1):
They could have use the title: "Airbus meets its target", or "12 A380 delivered in 2008 as planned". But no, it has to be "narrowly".

The target was 13. It was revised down to 12, so delivering the 12th on Dec 30th can accurately be portrayed as "narrowly" meeting the target.



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User currently offlineFlyboy2001 From Canada, joined May 2005, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12554 times:

It's amazing to think there are now 12 of these things flying in active service! Seems like such a short time since first flight, at least to me. Great news!


And you... Revolution, or just resistance?
User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12507 times:

Hey guys. Kudos to Airbus for delievring the A380s. Quick question, what route is AF going to have the A380 on?

User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12494 times:

So now we have SQ, EK and QF as A380 operators. Who will be the next one to get theirs? AF?

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8524 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12394 times:
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Quoting Kevin (Reply 19):
Who will be the next one to get theirs? AF?

- Yes, and the article says so too.



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User currently offlineFlyboy2001 From Canada, joined May 2005, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12218 times:

Not entirely on topic but can anyone see enough Asian interest in the 2010 Olympics for Singapore to send an A380 to YVR?


And you... Revolution, or just resistance?
User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1668 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11923 times:

Who's the official airline for the 2010 Olympics?
SQ might do it-the same way they sent the A380 to PEK.


User currently offlineFlyboy2001 From Canada, joined May 2005, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11720 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 22):
Who's the official airline for the 2010 Olympics?

It's Air Canada - not too surprising, really. Still, if demand is high enough, maybe Singapore might do a special Olympic route, say SIN-ICN-NRT-YVR, or whatever makes sense? For all I know, they're already planning it - or is that just my wishful plane-spotting thinking?



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11445 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 18):
what route is AF going to have the A380 on?

JFK and NRT are to be their first routes.

[Edited 2008-12-31 01:26:47]

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...passenger-cabin-configuration.html

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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11535 times:



Quoting Kevin (Reply 19):
So now we have SQ, EK and QF as A380 operators. Who will be the next one to get theirs? AF?

AF will be the 4th operator of the A380 (and the 1st European).
The first aircraft for AF will be msn 033 F-HPJA, to be delivered in the 4th quarter of 2009.


Two more aircraft JB & JC will follow before March 2010.

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 18):
what route is AF going to have the A380 on?

DXB (for training), JFK, YUL (for training), and NRT after the third aircraft will be delivered.
Then SIN, HKG, PEK, LAX are planned.


User currently offlineTropical From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10847 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 16):
The target was 13. It was revised down to 12, so delivering the 12th on Dec 30th can accurately be portrayed as "narrowly" meeting the target.

It might indeed have been accurate, but like a few others I too see the choice of words as negative reporting. In my view at least, the use of 'narrowly' attempts to put the emphasis of the story on "they very nearly failed" rather than "they succeeded".

At least the article didn't describe the A380 programme as 'troubled'- something that is still being done *today* by some newspapers and media outlets.


User currently offlineAirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10434 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

Yes, but it might be a little bit more complicated to build a A380 in comparison to a 747-100...

On a side note, how many Wave 1 frames are still waiting to be delivered? Since the "real" series production starts with Wave 2, we should use this as a measure.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9857 times:



Quoting AirbusA370 (Reply 28):
On a side note, how many Wave 1 frames are still waiting to be delivered? Since the "real" series production starts with Wave 2, we should use this as a measure.

I beleive that there's only 3 or 4 more series 1 birds left, they'll be done by Feb I think and then we're into the Wave 2 (and the refits starting to go out - one of the test birds will be going to EK late next year.


User currently offlinePlobax From France, joined Jan 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9695 times:



Quoting Flyboy2001 (Reply 17):
It's amazing to think there are now 12 of these things flying in active service

It is 13 right now. There was already one delivered in 2007 !


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9267 times:



Quoting Plobax (Reply 30):
It is 13 right now. There was already one delivered in 2007 !

That's correct.
When I read the title of the topic it should have been that Airbus delivered the 12th A380 in 2008.

Quoting Chiad (Thread starter):
Why "narrowly"?. I know it is not your words, Chiad.

I agree with you. But on the other hand ... if "the 12th" was delivered on January 2nd there would be reports and topics that the delivery schedule was late and more delays hit the A380 program... dont you think?
I'm pleased that Airbus made this goal. I think it's a sign of a now healthy A380 program.


25 Plairbus : Congratulations to Airbus and all this folks that worh so hard to make this happen! I am happy to see Airbus finaly doing well again and I am proud to
26 Jet-lagged : Can we say with certainty that at least one A380 is always flying in the air?
27 Moriarty : Congratulations Airbus! Looking forward to an interesting 2009! I'd say that's very impressive and one of the many things that amazes me about the 747
28 Art : Not sure they can fly in anyhing else
29 YULWinterSkies : Accurate French translation could have been "de justesse". If so, there is nothing negative towards Airbus in such a statement. No, but to the Shangh
30 Jimbobjoe : The addition of the adverb "narrowly" to "met its goal" implies to me that an effort more than normal was required for Airbus to get the last airplane
31 AirNZ : Yes, the target was originally 13, but revised down to 12 seven months ago so truthfully it can indeed be accurately portrayed as MEETING the target.
32 Mariner : I'd agree, but the days of simple reporting are over. These days, almost every headline has to have an adverb or adjective - usually one that implies
33 Brilondon : When is Airbus going to go into full production of the A380 or is one a month their production target?
34 Stitch : The final target is four per month in 2010.
35 Post contains links MotorHussy : So as to differentiate it from the Airbus press-release from which it was based. http://flightglobal.firstlightera.co...008Airbusdelivers12A380sin200
36 Mariner : Do you really have so little faith in the readership? This isn't some tabloid. This is Flight Global, I think it is safe to assume that most readers
37 Bjwonline : That would have to be one of the funniest things I have ever read on a.net. Well Done!
38 AirbusA370 : Which was reduced in the meantime to something like "We will see when we can reach the full production rate but certainly not 2010"...
39 MotorHussy : It's certainly caused a reader response here which means the journo's done his or her work. And I think the headline has done it's job too. As I said
40 Ikramerica : When you just make a revised deadline with no time to spare, from the outsider POV, it's narrowly meeting the deadline. You can say they planned on d
41 Mariner : Interesting? Attention grabbing, certainly. Accurate? The moment you introduce an adverb or adjective that wasn't there it is subjective accuracy. Um
42 MotorHussy : Never been a fan of that inaccurate northern harbinger of tosh.
43 Mariner : I don't know a newspaper in the country that can make too many claims to much more. mariner
44 DLPMMM : Looks like Airbus has already started moving the bar for 2009. From Reuters: Dubai airline Emirates, which expects to receive its fourth Airbus A380
45 Brilondon : Lets hope that it is flying in the air and not any where else.
46 Thorben : Two weeks? Probably because Airbus didn't work too much on that plane in order to have more work capacity for the planes they were so eager to delive
47 Jet-lagged : OK,, all you wise-guys, forget the 'in air' bit! I didn't get a serious answer to this. Shocked I am, thinking my respectable A.net colleagues would
48 Baroque : Very true Mariner, but it can be argued that the construction of : rather puts the kibosh on suggestions that Breiz manages his English in anything b
49 Heavierthanair : G'day OK, lets start with a little math. We've got 13 planes flying now. While the last may not actually have entered service yet that still leaves us
50 Breiz : Eh, eh For the sake of linguistic enlightenment, Breiz, to be pronounced bray-iz, means "Brittany" in Gaellic. It also means "from Brittany", althoug
51 Argonaut : Judging by the photograph, so much for all those rumours of an AF livery-change with the introduction of the A380... (Unless it's a ruse and AF is pr
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