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Who Is The Dominant Carrier At BOS?  
User currently offlineLovetojetblue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8901 times:

I know that for a while, it was AA. This just doesn't seem right however. My guess is either Jetblue or Delta. Also, how long has this airline been dominant?

lovetojetblue

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User currently offlineJkudall From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

BOS - From Oct 2007 to Sep 2008

1 - JetBlue - 16.51 % market share
2 - American - 15.07 % market share
3 - US Airways - 14.75 % market share
4 - Delta - 13.55 % market share
5 - United - 10.58 % market share

Note: this is mainline only. Doesn't include express, connection, or AA Eagle.

[Edited 2008-12-30 14:36:53]

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8811 times:

No airline "dominates" BOS. No one airline appears to surpass even 1/4 of total pax, tho regional affiliates aren't included in the above chart.

User currently offlineN104UA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8770 times:

BOS is an airport that has suffered since 9/11 it was pretty big for a few airlines and it is like CLE and all airlines have downsized it

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8752 times:

DL, B6, AA and US are all pretty much equal in terms of the size of their BOS operations. It's pretty well split, and depending on how you want to slice and dice your numbers (passengers carried, number of flights, number of seats, number of destinations) you'll get different answers.

That being said, all four of those airlines are very close to each other.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8616 times:

Thankfully, nobody has complete control of BOS, which can be a good thing since it keeps it competitive and the fares cheaper. I think if you add AE to the mix, AA will be the #1 carrier at BOS, with B6 at a close second. However, DL will pass one or even both now that the merger has been approved.

Quoting N104UA (Reply 3):
BOS is an airport that has suffered since 9/11 it was pretty big for a few airlines and it is like CLE and all airlines have downsized it

How big, between 1978 when deregulation occured and 9/11 was any carrier at BOS? I remember AA had a much bigger presence (my first flight in February 1994 was BOS-TPA on them) and as recently as 2004 had service to 30 nonstop destinations.

It will be interesting to see how big B6 gets here at BOS over the next few years. They are the only carrier who is really interested in growing here and DL has been the only one to put up a fight, which hasn't been too successful.


User currently offlineLovetojetblue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 8497 times:

Obviously, my username says alot about who I want to expand, but I still would welcome any expansion at BOS. Unfortunately, with this economy, I'm not expecting much right now. VX is something to look forward to however

User currently offlineBreaker1011 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8385 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 1):
BOS - From Oct 2007 to Sep 2008

1 - JetBlue - 16.51 % market share
2 - American - 15.07 % market share
3 - US Airways - 14.75 % market share
4 - Delta - 13.55 % market share
5 - United - 10.58 % market share

Note: this is mainline only. Doesn't include express, connection, or AA Eagle.

Thanks for posting. Can you share the source of these stats? These days, an airline's presence should be inclusive of regional ops just as much as mainline. I'd venture that including regional operations, Jetblue falls to number 4, AA and DL duke it out for #1, and US is probably #2 although I agree DL/AA/US are probably pretty close to each other. Also would like to see if DL's numbers are inclusive of Delta Shuttle.


User currently offlineJkudall From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8340 times:

Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 7):
Thanks for posting. Can you share the source of these stats?

Sure

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1

As for whether it includes Delta Shuttle, yes it does. Delta Shuttle is operated by Delta under one certificate. Connection carriers are seperate.

You should be able to find all the info you are looking for in regards to the numbers for Express, Connection, and Eagle carriers by digging around a little more on the DOT site. I just posted what I found at the link above.

[Edited 2008-12-30 19:22:47]

User currently offlineBreaker1011 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8295 times:

What a COOL site! Thanks for sharing.

What's a bummer about this site is that only the top 5 carrier entities are named, and everyone else is classified as "other." I can't seem to find any way to drill down further. In the case of BOS, "other" is a whopping 31%, far higher a % than you see for most other airports, suggesting that regional ops for AA, DL, US accounts for a significant enough chunk to be worthy of inclusion, and demonstrating another poster's point that no one really dominates BOS. I know DL/DL connex actually fly to more cities nonstop from BOS than anyone else.

[Edited 2008-12-30 19:42:44]

User currently offlineJkudall From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8123 times:

The link I gave you gives you just a brief snapshot of each airport. If you want more information, unfortunately, you have to do it the hard way through DOT's Trans Stats. You will have look through the data tables for what will give you airport passenger boardings divided among air carriers serving that airport. It will then give the number of passengers boarded, the respective carrier, and for what month/year or qtr/year the statistics came from.

It is not very intuitive and takes some getting used to. But, it is available to the public at the site below:

http://transtats.bts.gov/databases.a...1&Mode_Desc=Aviation&Subject_ID2=0


User currently offlineShanxz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8045 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 1):
BOS - From Oct 2007 to Sep 2008

1 - JetBlue - 16.51 % market share
2 - American - 15.07 % market share
3 - US Airways - 14.75 % market share
4 - Delta - 13.55 % market share
5 - United - 10.58 % market share



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 10):
The link I gave you gives you just a brief snapshot of each airport. If you want more information, unfortunately, you have to do it the hard way through DOT's Trans Stats. You will have look through the data tables for what will give you airport passenger boardings divided among air carriers serving that airport. It will then give the number of passengers boarded, the respective carrier, and for what month/year or qtr/year the statistics came from.

Is there a similar site for international airports outside the US? What about International airlines' market share for major US markets?


User currently offlineAirbazar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7245 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 3):
BOS is an airport that has suffered since 9/11 it was pretty big for a few airlines and it is like CLE and all airlines have downsized it

Lets not jump to conclusions. Yes, BOS like so many airports did suffer a temporary loss following 9/11 but BOS passenger stats are back up to pre-9/11 numbers (much of it thanks to B6 and the low Dollar which incresed demand for international visitors). Actually I should say, WERE back up to pre 9/11 because the recent economic environment is likely to bring those numbers down again in 2008 (currently down 6.5% YTD). 2007 was a record year for BOS with over 28 million passengers.


User currently offlineVeeseeten From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

What would AA's ATI do for their position at BOS, in terms of combined market share? By comparison, what about DL and UA's own ATI?

User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6178 times:



Quoting Veeseeten (Reply 13):
What would AA's ATI do for their position at BOS

ATI with BA/IB? Little. AA/BA/IB will drop from 6x to 5x during summer, 4x during winter on BOS-LHR, AA would likely pick up BOS-MAD, using a 757 during the winter, 763 during the summer peak season. IB has struggled to sustain its IAD/BOS-MAD services during the off season - they are using way too much plane for the market.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5796 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 1):
Note: this is mainline only. Doesn't include express, connection, or AA Eagle.

That being said, the listed breakdown could be somewhat misleading IMHO. While it's true that the regional carriers operate under separate certificates than their mainline partners, NOBODY who flies on these regional carriers are doing so because they booked exclusively with said-regional carrier.

If one flies American Eagle or Connection, it's because they booked their flight(s) w/AA.
If one flies a DL Connection carrier, it's they booked their flight(s) w/DL.
If one flies a US Express carrier, it's because they booked their flight(s) w/US.

Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 7):
These days, an airline's presence should be inclusive of regional ops just as much as mainline. I'd venture that including regional operations, Jetblue falls to number 4, AA and DL duke it out for #1, and US is probably #2 although I agree DL/AA/US are probably pretty close to each other. Also would like to see if DL's numbers are inclusive of Delta Shuttle.

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Doesn't US still offer Shuttle service of sorts out of BOS and if so, does the percentage breakdown include such?


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5707 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
Doesn't US still offer Shuttle service of sorts out of BOS and if so, does the percentage breakdown include such?

US Airways Shuttle hasn't operated on its own certificate (former Trump Shuttle) in almost a decade. US Airways Shuttle numbers are included as part of US Airways' total.


User currently offlineBAGoldEx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5692 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 14):
ATI with BA/IB? Little. AA/BA/IB will drop from 6x to 5x during summer, 4x during winter on BOS-LHR, AA would likely pick up BOS-MAD, using a 757 during the winter, 763 during the summer peak season. IB has struggled to sustain its IAD/BOS-MAD services during the off season - they are using way too much plane for the market.

Any source on the reduction of Heathrow or is that just your speculation?


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5659 times:



Quoting BAGoldEx (Reply 17):
Any source on the reduction of Heathrow or is that just your speculation?

Entirely speculation. I suspect that American is squatting on a Heathrow slot by bumping Boston-Heathrow to three daily. Should ATI go through, American will drop that flight (bringing BOS-LHR back to 5 daily combined), and move that slot to another transatlantic route. I'd say that's just about guaranteed.

The flight dropping to 4 daily during the winter, with 1x AA/3x BA or 2x AA/2x BA would allow for an extra daily flight to Miami. American has expressed interest in adding another flight from Miami to Heathrow, Boston is the most logical place to get that slot from.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

I heard a few weeks back that in terms of seat miles, AA has the most at BOS followed by B6. I don't know if that is before or after the DL merger.

User currently offlinePHLBOS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5147 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19):
I heard a few weeks back that in terms of seat miles, AA has the most at BOS followed by B6. I don't know if that is before or after the DL merger.

Given the fact that the DL/NW merger only happened relatively recent, it's probably a safe guess (on my part, mind you unless someone knows otherwise) that any comparisons involving DL were made before the merger was actually approved.


User currently offlineRafflesKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5143 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 19):
seat miles, AA has the most at BOS followed by B6

That makes sense given the widebody international flights for AA, and the transcontinental flights for B6.


User currently offlineAtlanta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

It's to bad DL couldn't keep NE's major BOS presence. DL had a large BOS presence for awhile.

Atlanta


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4468 times:



Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 21):
That makes sense given the widebody international flights for AA, and the transcontinental flights for B6.

American's transcons and long haul international, as you said, is what makes them #1. Though its certainly not what it was 2 or 3 years ago, American still offers a lot of transcontinental capacity from Boston, and San Diego is coming back in a few months. I wouldn't be surprised if 767-300s returned to the LAX-BOS run if they haven't already.

Just for reference's sake, in terms of ASMs, one 763 flying BOS-LHR roundtrip is roughly equivalent to five BOS-MCO roundtrips on JetBlue.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4450 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
No airline "dominates" BOS. No one airline appears to surpass even 1/4 of total pax, tho regional affiliates aren't included in the above chart.

Let's include regional affiliates using available seat share in Dec. 2008

1 - US Airways - 18.2%
2 - Delta - 17.5%
3 - JetBlue - 16.2%
4 - American - 14.8%
5 - United - 8.4%
6 - Continental - 4.8%
7 - Northwest - 4.7%
8 - AirTran - 4.3%


25 SSTsomeday : I imagine, at one time, that Eastern Airlines clearly dominated. But that's a guess. It would seem that a lot of airlines have ended up filling the vo
26 Breaker1011 : Curious, how did you find Dec. 2008 reporting on Dec. 31, 2008?
27 Lovetojetblue : Just wondering, but Eastern operated out of Terminal A, correct?
28 PHLBOS : Correct. Though it was the OLD Terminal A..
29 PP705 : What about NW? They fly to AMS - BOS. Or has that been dropped?
30 Jfk777 : AA dominates the long haul markets, LHR, LAX and SJU. JetBlue and Delta split the meduim haul to Florida and east coast markets.
31 Bobnwa : See message #24. NW has 4.7% market share. Yes NW still has BOS-AMS.
32 Lovetojetblue : with a 757 2X each way each day, right?
33 VC10DC10 : Of course, back in the olden days NW flew to PIK, LGW, SNN, and FRA from BOS as well. Looooong time ago. BOS seems to be one of the largest airports
34 Bobnwa : Not quite, they have one A333 and one 757 daily, BOS-AMS during most of the year.
35 Lovetojetblue : thanks for the info
36 N766UA : Every airport has suffered since 9/11, and Logan's nothing like CLE. CLE has one carrier dominating its hub, mostly with RJs, with only limited mainl
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