Delta Fly Boy From Japan, joined Oct 2000, 242 posts, RR: 1 Posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1387 times:
Ok... Can anybody help me...
I was wondering if there is ANY way to distinguish the 767-300 from the 767-300ER on it's outside physical features, especialy for Delta. I've looked at pictures, and have thought that there was a different windowconfiguration on the two... but then I look at other pictures, and there are like 5 different wondow configs for the 763. Well, I would appreciate any help. thanks
ATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1443 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1315 times:
With Delta this is a difference with the old, old, scheme. Look for a US flag on the near the top of the vertical stabilizer tail, the domestic 767-300 donot have it. On the New old scheme as well as the new scheme their is no physical difference I hope this helps ya out.
Airbusluver From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1314 times:
MTOW is maximum take-off weight, and the 767-300ER has more fuel tanks in it. The ER also costs more, which is why some airlines choose the 767-300 over the 767-300ER. It depends on the routes you want to fly.
King767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1293 times:
You are right, along with a few ex.Gulf Air 763ER with have the GEs. Actually you have it backwards, the P+W4000s are newer than the JT9Ds
The way I tell (And I don't get it every time either) is the GE engine seems to be more fat and longer, especially with the exaust cone. Can't tell the difference between the JT9 and the 4000 either.
The best, Tom
DL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1262 times:
Look for the fuel dump nozzles and the large forward cargo door in order to distinguish Delta's ER's. These are options on other airlines' ER's, but all of DL ER's have them (including ships 1701-1707 domestic ER's). There are also a few P&W4060 powered domestic airplanes (1401-1404), these were ordered because GE stopped building the CF6-80A2 engine (Delta did not want the C2 engine at the time).
In order to be able to distinguish the P&W from the GE, look for the precooler outlet on the silver (aft) part of the engine nacelle. It is a dark gray outlet with three fins on it. It is on the left side on the P&W engines and on the right side on the GE. An easy way to remember this is to think P=Pratt=outlet on PILOTS side of the aircraft.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
MAC_Veteran From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 726 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1259 times:
Delta's 767 fleet and defining what is what is an exercise for the sharp eyed. One has to know what a GE versus PW look like.
To be complete, DL has:
A considerable number of 767-200's powered by GE CF680 engines. (Remember the "Spirit of Delta".. N101DA or N102DA?) *domestic routes only*.
767-300s with GE CF680 engines used on *domestic routes only* (discernable by 2 large exits (one fore/one aft) and 2 small overwing "plug exit" doors config)
A small 767-300ER's with GE fleet. CF680C2 engines used. Aircraft deployed on international routes, Acquired used from Gulf Air (discernable by with three large door (2 large doors fore, 1 aft of wing nearest tail and 1 smaller "hat rack" door in between -behind the wing exit-)
Then comes the PW 767-300ER fleet (which I believe are the largest # of 767-300s at DL) powered by either the last generation of PWJT9D or newer generation PW4000 engines, which look identical to the GE 767-300 domestic fleet, other than the engine contouring and shape.
That's got to be a peckful for Delta fleet ops to keep an eye on no? I wonder what their maintenance costs are like. (G) Apparently this was a dual engine maker contract that satisfied the two US competitors at the time, Delta opting to use the more reliable (in their view) PW's for long range ER/ETOPS routes and the GE on shorter range, domestic services.