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DL 383 JFK To Georgetown, Guyana Lands In POS!  
User currently offlineRuslan From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 108 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

Hey all,
Just saw DL's Boeing 757-200 flight 383 which operates JFK New York to Cheddi Jagan International in Guyana land here at POS Trinidad.It is now 8:50 AM
www.flytecomm.com says flight has already landed in Georgetown at 8:31 AM (go fig) but will see if I get any more details..The 752 is now in Gate 5, while the regularly scheduled Boeing 737-800 out of POS is in gate 8..Good to see a DL 757 in POS anyway but hope all is well..

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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8328 times:

Looks to be a short stay...due in GEO at 11:10am

User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 1432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8081 times:



Quoting Ruslan (Thread starter):

It would be nice to see it at POS,but I wonder why it diverted?I was told this happened a couple weeks ago but with the 763!!!I



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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Flights 383 and 384, JFK to GEO (and vice versa), divert into POS semi-regularly, either for medical situations or because GEO is fogged in the early morning (VOR approach only).

I've operated that flight five or six times and have ended up in POS on * three * of those trips, so this isn't anything new.

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User currently offlineRuslan From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

Hi all,
Thanks for the info..The same happened again this morning 01/01/09...the 752 came in at 8:45 AM and stayed for an hour again...Got some shots with it and the DL Boeing 737-800 parked next to it but the weather conditions were deteriorating and of course, the infernal and unavoidable airport fences came out too so it won't be accepted on this site I guess....Happy New Year to all..
Ruslan


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5218 times:



Quoting BW424 (Reply 2):
It would be nice to see it at POS,but I wonder why it diverted?I was told this happened a couple weeks ago but with the 763!!!I

Yup, that was my flight. We were three hours late out of JFK because of bad weather that night (snow and ice), then got to GEO just as a series of strong rainshowers moved over the airport. Visibility fell to about 1 kilometer, and we went missed approach on the VOR to 06. We did not have much holding fuel, and elected to divert to POS, where we timed out. They needed to bring in a replacement crew to get the 767 back to GEO. Then, the next morning, they again diverted flight 383 into POS (a 757 this time) in order to pick us up, so we could work 384 back to JFK.

The photo below was taken at GEO later that morning. Note the steel drums!


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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5177 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 5):
VOR to 06

Why not ILS06? Looking a my jepps that approach would have got ya in and its not NOTAMed out that I can see.


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5165 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 6):
Why not ILS06? Looking a my jepps that approach would have got ya in and its not NOTAMed out that I can see.

There is no ILS at Georgetown. What chart are you looking at?

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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 7):
There is no ILS at Georgetown. What chart are you looking at?

SYCJ/GEO 11-1 24 MAR 06
LOC-ITIM-109.3 APP CRS 058
Has a non-std arrival hold over UIT and then out for a 45/180 procedure turn.
Alt. Set: hPa
TDZ Elev: 4hPa
Trans level: By ATC
Trans alt: 3000'
GS: 2.50* TCH 49'

MAP: Climb to 2000" on heading 058*
PAPI-L

S-06 ILS
DA(H)
A: 310'(214')
B: 322'(226')
C: 330'(234')
D: 341'(245')
VIS ALL CATS: 1200m
PAN OPS built approach

Maybe they decommissioned it but that would be dumb if they have fog like this all the time.

-I will try to post the chart-

[Edited 2009-01-01 17:03:59]

User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5120 times:






Sorry about that "dumb test" thing. Image shack seems to promote that on everything.

[Edited 2009-01-01 17:13:12]

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4992 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 5):

Steel drums and all. Nice photo! Do you have one from outside the a/c looking towards it?

Side note: To bad it is being discontinued. When is that date?



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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

That ILS chart is dated 2006, I noticed. The approach no longer exists at GEO.

Which is too bad; the airport could really use it.


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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4962 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 11):

That is what I was thinking I guess....... so I will destroy it. That makes no sense to get rid of it  banghead 


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 1432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4766 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 5):
Yup, that was my flight. We were three hours late out of JFK because of bad weather that night (snow and ice), then got to GEO just as a series of strong rainshowers moved over the airport. Visibility fell to about 1 kilometer, and we went missed approach on the VOR to 06. We did not have much holding fuel, and elected to divert to POS, where we timed out. They needed to bring in a replacement crew to get the 767 back to GEO. Then, the next morning, they again diverted flight 383 into POS (a 757 this time) in order to pick us up, so we could work 384 back to JFK.

The photo below was taken at GEO later that morning. Note the steel drums!

Oh.Seems as though this is happening quite often.Nice pic of the there.The steel drums are native to Trinidad and Tobago though.

Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 6):
Why not ILS06?



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 8):
Maybe they decommissioned it but that would be dumb if they have fog like this all the time.

The problemis the finances.Guyana is a financially struggling country compared to many of its neighbours.Theyjustdon't have the money to fix their ILS systems.Just recently lights went out on the runway at GEO and Barbados had to lend them portable runway lights(and I think they still are),as they couldn't source the appropriate lights at the price they wanted.



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User currently offlineLMAFSS From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

I'm suprised the airline doesn't pay to repair the ILS to avoid all of these diversions to POS.

The equipment is probably still there, so it shouldn't be to expensive to fix.

Though I wonder who would pay to keep it maintained and certified.


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