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Garuda To Fly CGK-MLG, SUB/DPS-HKG & CGK-TKG  
User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

According to http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/, Garuda are to start two new domestic routes and new flights from HKG to SUB and DPS.


Jakarta - Bandar Lampung Daily 737-500
GA134 CGK1610 - 1650TKG 735 D
GA135 TKG1730 - 1810CGK 735 D

Jakarta - Malang Daily 737
GA290 CGK0630 - 0755MLG 737 D
GA291 MLG0835 - 0955CGK 737 D

Surabaya/ Denpasar - Hong Kong

GA874 SUB0850 - 1435HKG 738 x135
GA875 HKG1535 - 1920SUB 738 x135

GA856 DPS0950 - 1435HKG 738 135
GA857 HKG1535 - 2025DPS 738 135

I'm a little surprised about the DPS-HKG flights. CX already fly a daily 330 on the route and it is very very rarely anything approaching full, and I believe Hong Kong Express also fly the route several times a week with a 738.

SUB-HKG is not much of a surprise to me. Hong Kong is full of pembantu from JaTim. I suspect if the GA fares are competitive with Cathay's fares on the route they should manage to fill the plane. I guess whether it is profitable or not is another matter.

By the way, does anyone know how well Garuda do with cargo on their HKG flights? I've seen Cathay flights at CGK and SUB being loaded with pallet after pallet after pallet. Garuda seem to be using mainly 737s to HKG, so do they not have much of a demand for cargo?

[Edited 2009-01-01 08:16:00]

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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

The start of the second daily HKG rotation will see the CGK HKG nonstop permanently downgraded to B738 equipment. There will be no more widebody equipment on the route except for ad hoc upgrades.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3262 times:
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Is there any possibility of Garuda returning to the United States?

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1514 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3142 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 2):
Is there any possibility of Garuda returning to the United States?

I don't think its going to happen anytime soon. One is they dont have the aircraft, two
is the Economic downturn, three would be the ban to Europe. They need to get all
of those things in order before they will even consider a return. IF it happens in the
next 5 years, It would be a big surprise.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3077 times:
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Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 3):
three would be the ban to Europe.

Why would the ban to fly to Europe have anything to do with Garuda flying to the U.S.? Wouldn't it be more efficient for Garuda to fly over the Pacific than via Europe? Is it a regulatory thing?


User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3067 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
Why would the ban to fly to Europe have anything to do with Garuda flying to the U.S.? Wouldn't it be more efficient for Garuda to fly over the Pacific than via Europe? Is it a regulatory thing?

Refer: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_2052.html

Quote:
Based on publicly available information, including the results of a study commissioned by the Indonesian Government, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has determined that the Indonesian Directorate General of Civil Aviation is not in compliance with International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) aviation safety standards for the oversight of Indonesia’s air carrier operations.

Unlikely the US would allow GA to operate there anytime soon.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4742 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Sigh... There was a time GA used to fly to FRA, LGW AMS and ROM from Singapore. It was not unusual to see more than one GA 747-200 on any given evenings.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3055 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
Why would the ban to fly to Europe have anything to do with Garuda flying to the U.S.? Wouldn't it be more efficient for Garuda to fly over the Pacific than via Europe? Is it a regulatory thing?

I think what GARUDAROD meant to say was that GA would not return to the US before a future return to Europe materializes. That is likely correct. The airline will likely reopen its AMS station once the EU ban on Indonesian airlines is suspended. The lifting of this ban is, however, not within Garuda's control. It seems to be very much the Indonesian government that is dragging its feet in the establishment of truly independent regulatory oversight for the local airline industry. As long as the government does not get its act together, expect the ban to stay in place.

Garuda plans to take up 50 B738s (6 already in the fleet) as well as 10 B77Ws as part of its fleet renewal plans. The commitments for the B77Ws are, however, still waiting to be firmed up. At this point, the additional B77Ws would be used uniquely for growth and both the B744 and A333 fleets would remain intact, with the B744 fleet dispatched on Middle Eastern flights (JED/RUH) and the A333s destined for medium haul flights (PVG/KIX/NGO/ICN/SYD/MEL). Current plans call for the deployment of the first B77W to NRT.

Network development plans also call for a host of regional and medium haul destinations to be (re-)opened. Included in current projections are flights to India, the Philippines, Taiwan, China (additional regional destinations) and Australia. Most of these destinations would be served with B738 equipment.


User currently offlineGFFgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Credit where it's due, there seems to have been at least glacial progress over the past year or so with GA. However, so much depends on political considerations that I think the future is anyone's guess until at least after the national elections in a few months.

The EU ban is directed at Indonesian regulatory oversight (or lack of it) which GA is powerless to address.

I also wonder where the yield will come from if GA were to reopen EU routes. There is now so much competition from mid-east carriers with onward connections to Europe that wasn't there before when GA was in the market. Unless the GA in-flight product was something special, or fares extremely good value, it would take a lot to tempt me away from Etihad/Qatar.


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