Elite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2738 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2421 times:
Definitely not in the near future. And after the fiasco with Oasis, I highly doubt that anyone else would be ready to start another long haul airline, as most routes are already highly competitive with very well established airlines.
Elite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2738 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2349 times:
"If you want to be a millionaire, invest a billion in an airline and wait 1 week."
Actually, there was speculation that Li Ka-Shing would buy Oasis, but after it was apparent he did not no one else wanted to buy it. People just didn't see how the investment would pay off.
PM From Japan, joined Feb 2005, 6559 posts, RR: 67 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2349 times:
What's happened to the Air Hong Kong order for twenty A330-200s? It was firmed in September 2007 but nothing has appeared on the A330/A340 production line yet. Are they still coming?
Elite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2738 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2345 times:
Quoting Shanxz (Reply 3): Probably because some wise man said that "The best way to become a millionaire in the airline industry is to start with a billion"
Beat me by a minute in saying that!
And you quoted me wrong. It was United Airline that said that, not me
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6734 posts, RR: 50 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2307 times:
Do you think we would ever see AM or MX in HKG? AM has launched NRT and PVG quite successfully and they may be considering additional destinations. On the other hand, MX is now a oneworld member, and HKG is an alliance hub.
Zeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 6800 posts, RR: 74 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2263 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 5): What's happened to the Air Hong Kong order for twenty A330-200s? It was firmed in September 2007 but nothing has appeared on the A330/A340 production line yet. Are they still coming?
AHK is part of the CX group, it has a fleet of A306F aircraft, no A330 aircraft are on order for them.
I think you maybe referring to Hong Kong Airlines (HX/CRK), which is a subsidiary of Hainan Airlines HU/CHH (along with Yangtze River Express), which is part of the part of the Grand China Airline group (Hainan Airlines, Xinhua Airlines, Shanxi Airlines and Changan Airlines), they have a number of A330s on order. HU started operating the A330s last year and are also supposed to operate the A346 aircraft from CX as well.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8541 posts, RR: 21 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2222 times:
I didn't say that starting an airline is the fastest way of making money but there are some very profitable airlines too. There should be at least a few super rich who are interested in Oasis.
If Oasis started off as a top class premier airline like CX, SQ do they think they would have survived?
Elite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2738 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2210 times:
Quoting United Airline (Reply 10): If Oasis started off as a top class premier airline like CX, SQ do they think they would have survived?
You can't just start off as a top class airline. CX and SQ are the 2 best airlines in the world, the reputations they have with their customers are amazing and it would be impossible for any airline to come close to breaking their ranks, especially a newly started airline. Moreover, all major destinations to and from HKG are already very competitive, making a new, long haul airline very hard to survive.
HZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1536 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2164 times:
Quoting Elite (Reply 11): You can't just start off as a top class airline. CX and SQ are the 2 best airlines in the world, the reputations they have with their customers are amazing and it would be impossible for any airline to come close to breaking their ranks
Interesting, based on the cost of CX versus other airlines on common routes, like Australia and UK, it's hard to say CX is worth it. Especially, if you compare business class prices.
Would there be another airline interested in starting HK service, like Etihad, Royal Jordanian, or someone like that?
LeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 283 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
Even HK Air & Express funded by Hainan and all the political backing cant break the CX / KA hold over the HKG market.
Oasis was a dream shot and turned into a nightmare !...Really sad to see it happen....
Elite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2738 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2089 times:
Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 12): Interesting, based on the cost of CX versus other airlines on common routes, like Australia and UK, it's hard to say CX is worth it. Especially, if you compare business class prices.
Well, thanks to the long history of CX in Hong Kong and the massive advertising campaigns that they have here, CX has developed a strong following... people think of Cathay as the best of the best. But it is no secret that CX has been struggling for the past year, most notably in the last quarter of 2008.
Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 12): Would there be another airline interested in starting HK service, like Etihad, Royal Jordanian, or someone like that?
Royal Jordanian - a oneworld alliance member - already started a HKG service in January 2008.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8541 posts, RR: 21 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2058 times:
New airlines can install top quality products like first class suites, business class flatbeds, PTVs and AVOD on every single seat etc to compete with CX by starting an airline in HKG. I know it's hard though
SFOHORIZON From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1946 times:
For the life of me, I will never understand why AA has not started a HKG route yet. I have heard all of the explanations before, "reliance on profitable code-sharing with CX," but there's something prestigious about flying your own metal into a city like HKG.
DFW, ORD, JFK, one of them's got to be able to support an HKG route. Although there is some question as to whether or not AA's 777-200ER's can fly from JFK-HKG direct
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6129 posts, RR: 57 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1945 times:
The whole Hong Kong Airlines/Hong Kong Express thing is still a big question mark. The Hong Kong Airlines fleet has shrunk by 3 aircraft in the last couple of months with one transferring to Hong Kong Express and two returned to Hainan. They have been having trouble with the CAD in HK after a couple of incidents and are having trouble getting approval to add more pilots and aircraft.
Hong Kong Express has been slowly growing and now their fleet out-number that of HKA. They seem to have a better operation and reportedly their operation broke even in october last year. Their loads have been improving and as I mentioned they took a 738 from HKA and are rumoured to be taking more. At the same time however they are shortly due to return three of their 738s to Hainan although rumours are that these will be replaced by different 738s, possible from HKA.
The large Airbus order still stands for HKA although staff have no idea how it will pan out with things going the way they are. Rumours are this week of possible layoffs this week from HKA and HKE or some form of pay cut or something for staff. Hainan airlines, which owns part of both wants them to merge but is not getting approval from other shareholders, namely those who want HKA to go under and HKE to be left standing.
If the A330s do arrive then HKA will be another longhaul carrier for HKG, but they are not due till 2010 I believe and perhaps the airline will not even be around then.
Swiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2700 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1662 times:
Quoting Zeke (Reply 8): I think you maybe referring to Hong Kong Airlines (HX/CRK), which is a subsidiary of Hainan Airlines HU/CHH (along with Yangtze River Express), which is part of the part of the Grand China Airline group (Hainan Airlines, Xinhua Airlines, Shanxi Airlines and Changan Airlines)
Gotta love it
Quoting Elite (Reply 14): CX / KA has strong political backing from the Hong Kong Government...
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