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Will We See Another Long Haul Airline In HKG?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9189 posts, RR: 15
Posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Will we see another long haul airline in HKG? A replacement of Oasis operating B 747-400s etc

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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Definitely not in the near future. And after the fiasco with Oasis, I highly doubt that anyone else would be ready to start another long haul airline, as most routes are already highly competitive with very well established airlines.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9189 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

I wonder why no body took over Oasis. Those super rich should just spend the money and buy the airline. Geeeeeeez

User currently offlineShanxz From Singapore, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3998 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
I wonder why no body took over Oasis. Those super rich should just spend the money and buy the airline. Geeeeeeez

Probably because some wise man said that "The best way to become a millionaire in the airline industry is to start with a billion"  Smile



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

"If you want to be a millionaire, invest a billion in an airline and wait 1 week."

Actually, there was speculation that Li Ka-Shing would buy Oasis, but after it was apparent he did not no one else wanted to buy it. People just didn't see how the investment would pay off.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6943 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

What's happened to the Air Hong Kong order for twenty A330-200s? It was firmed in September 2007 but nothing has appeared on the A330/A340 production line yet. Are they still coming?

User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3990 times:



Quoting Shanxz (Reply 3):
Probably because some wise man said that "The best way to become a millionaire in the airline industry is to start with a billion"

Beat me by a minute in saying that!

And you quoted me wrong. It was United Airline that said that, not me  Wink


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7603 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

Do you think we would ever see AM or MX in HKG? AM has launched NRT and PVG quite successfully and they may be considering additional destinations. On the other hand, MX is now a oneworld member, and HKG is an alliance hub.


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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3908 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 5):
What's happened to the Air Hong Kong order for twenty A330-200s? It was firmed in September 2007 but nothing has appeared on the A330/A340 production line yet. Are they still coming?

AHK is part of the CX group, it has a fleet of A306F aircraft, no A330 aircraft are on order for them.

I think you maybe referring to Hong Kong Airlines (HX/CRK), which is a subsidiary of Hainan Airlines HU/CHH (along with Yangtze River Express), which is part of the part of the Grand China Airline group (Hainan Airlines, Xinhua Airlines, Shanxi Airlines and Changan Airlines), they have a number of A330s on order. HU started operating the A330s last year and are also supposed to operate the A346 aircraft from CX as well.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6943 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3892 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
AHK is part of the CX group, it has a fleet of A306F aircraft, no A330 aircraft are on order for them.

I think you maybe referring to Hong Kong Airlines (HX/CRK)

Whoops. You are correct. Sorry.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9189 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

I didn't say that starting an airline is the fastest way of making money but there are some very profitable airlines too. There should be at least a few super rich who are interested in Oasis.

If Oasis started off as a top class premier airline like CX, SQ do they think they would have survived?


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3855 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
If Oasis started off as a top class premier airline like CX, SQ do they think they would have survived?

You can't just start off as a top class airline. CX and SQ are the 2 best airlines in the world, the reputations they have with their customers are amazing and it would be impossible for any airline to come close to breaking their ranks, especially a newly started airline. Moreover, all major destinations to and from HKG are already very competitive, making a new, long haul airline very hard to survive.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3809 times:
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Quoting Elite (Reply 11):
You can't just start off as a top class airline. CX and SQ are the 2 best airlines in the world, the reputations they have with their customers are amazing and it would be impossible for any airline to come close to breaking their ranks

Interesting, based on the cost of CX versus other airlines on common routes, like Australia and UK, it's hard to say CX is worth it. Especially, if you compare business class prices.

Would there be another airline interested in starting HK service, like Etihad, Royal Jordanian, or someone like that?



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User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 3753 times:

Even HK Air & Express funded by Hainan and all the political backing cant break the CX / KA hold over the HKG market.
Oasis was a dream shot and turned into a nightmare !...Really sad to see it happen....


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 3744 times:

CX / KA has strong political backing from the Hong Kong Government... hence why not even mainland Chinese companies can break the hold.

User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 3734 times:



Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 12):
Interesting, based on the cost of CX versus other airlines on common routes, like Australia and UK, it's hard to say CX is worth it. Especially, if you compare business class prices.

Well, thanks to the long history of CX in Hong Kong and the massive advertising campaigns that they have here, CX has developed a strong following... people think of Cathay as the best of the best. But it is no secret that CX has been struggling for the past year, most notably in the last quarter of 2008.

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 12):
Would there be another airline interested in starting HK service, like Etihad, Royal Jordanian, or someone like that?

Royal Jordanian - a oneworld alliance member - already started a HKG service in January 2008.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9189 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 3703 times:

New airlines can install top quality products like first class suites, business class flatbeds, PTVs and AVOD on every single seat etc to compete with CX by starting an airline in HKG. I know it's hard though

User currently offlineSFOHORIZON From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

For the life of me, I will never understand why AA has not started a HKG route yet. I have heard all of the explanations before, "reliance on profitable code-sharing with CX," but there's something prestigious about flying your own metal into a city like HKG.

DFW, ORD, JFK, one of them's got to be able to support an HKG route. Although there is some question as to whether or not AA's 777-200ER's can fly from JFK-HKG direct


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6621 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

The whole Hong Kong Airlines/Hong Kong Express thing is still a big question mark. The Hong Kong Airlines fleet has shrunk by 3 aircraft in the last couple of months with one transferring to Hong Kong Express and two returned to Hainan. They have been having trouble with the CAD in HK after a couple of incidents and are having trouble getting approval to add more pilots and aircraft.

Hong Kong Express has been slowly growing and now their fleet out-number that of HKA. They seem to have a better operation and reportedly their operation broke even in october last year. Their loads have been improving and as I mentioned they took a 738 from HKA and are rumoured to be taking more. At the same time however they are shortly due to return three of their 738s to Hainan although rumours are that these will be replaced by different 738s, possible from HKA.

The large Airbus order still stands for HKA although staff have no idea how it will pan out with things going the way they are. Rumours are this week of possible layoffs this week from HKA and HKE or some form of pay cut or something for staff. Hainan airlines, which owns part of both wants them to merge but is not getting approval from other shareholders, namely those who want HKA to go under and HKE to be left standing.

If the A330s do arrive then HKA will be another longhaul carrier for HKG, but they are not due till 2010 I believe and perhaps the airline will not even be around then.


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Speaking of foreign airlines introducing service to HKG, I think sooner or later IB will


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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3307 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
I think you maybe referring to Hong Kong Airlines (HX/CRK), which is a subsidiary of Hainan Airlines HU/CHH (along with Yangtze River Express), which is part of the part of the Grand China Airline group (Hainan Airlines, Xinhua Airlines, Shanxi Airlines and Changan Airlines)

Gotta love it  Smile

Quoting Elite (Reply 14):
CX / KA has strong political backing from the Hong Kong Government...

And Swire, of course.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9189 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

I suppose CX is likely to post a loss for the year of 2008 right?

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