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First Europe-Baghdad Flight Touches Down  
User currently offlineSeansasLCY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 903 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11982 times:

The first commercial flight between Europe and Iraq in at least 17 years has landed at Baghdad airport.

Swedish-based company Nordic Leisure says it expects to fly to the Iraqi capital once a week.

Iraqi national carrier Iraqi Airways has said it hopes to start flying routes to Europe in the coming months.

More international arrivals are expected in the next two days, including one from Hong Kong, Iraqi Transport Minister Amer Abduljabbar Ismail told journalists, AFP news agency reported.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809167.stm

Any idea who is operating the flight from Hong Kong?

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11935 times:

Um, so what happended with Turkish Airlines service  Confused

After all IST is clearly in Europe.



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User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11916 times:



Quoting SeansasLCY (Thread starter):
The first commercial flight between Europe and Iraq in at least 17 years has landed at Baghdad airport.

Swedish-based company Nordic Leisure says it expects to fly to the Iraqi capital once a week.

Iraqi national carrier Iraqi Airways has said it hopes to start flying routes to Europe in the coming months.

More international arrivals are expected in the next two days, including one from Hong Kong, Iraqi Transport Minister Amer Abduljabbar Ismail told journalists, AFP news agency reported.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809167.stm

Any idea who is operating the flight from Hong Kong?

Dam, that's rather amazing. Lets hope good things come and all people of Iraq understand and appreciate how important aviation is in trade, business, etc.  crossfingers 



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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1821 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11911 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Um, so what happended with Turkish Airlines service

After all IST is clearly in Europe.

Exactly. When i read the thread title that popped into my mind. Wasnt their service due to start either end of Dec beginning of Jan?


Are there any ideas of where Iraqi Airways will fly to in Europe? Im guessing LHR being one of the first. How long off will an EK flight be to Baghdad do you think?



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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1715 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11916 times:

I actually believe that many Swedish leisure carriers, such as Viking Airlines, and Nordic Airways have flown to Iraq for years now.

Quoting SeansasLCY (Thread starter):
Any idea who is operating the flight from Hong Kong?

It wouldn't surprise me if it was Iraqi Airways, I've heard that they are expanding and renewing their fleet. But i'm not sure if i have heard right, but aren't they ordering the 787?



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11879 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
After all IST is clearly in Europe.

Actually, if one wants to be geographically correct, it's in Asia.......so no, it's not "clearly in Europe" at all.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11853 times:

TK recommenced Baghdad service at the end of October and has been very succesfull already having increased frequencies.

Anyhow the BBC report is a joke calling this the 1st scheduled flights to Iraq - one should not forget carriers like Austrian, Hamburg Intl have operated scheduled flights to the Kurdish region over the last few years.



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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1821 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11768 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
aren't they ordering the 787?

Im sure they are. If memory serves me correct, they ordered 30 aircraft from Boeing, 15 738's and 15 783/8/9's. Not sure which one. I stand corrected on that though if im wrong.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11490 times:



Quoting SeansasLCY (Thread starter):
Swedish-based company Nordic Leisure says it expects to fly to the Iraqi capital once a week.

The Nordic people are looking for leisure in Bahgdad?

Wow, they must be leading stressful lives if they think Bahgdad is a leisure destination!



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User currently offlineOcracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11462 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 5):
Actually, if one wants to be geographically correct, it's in Asia.......so no, it's not "clearly in Europe" at all.

That's funny. Last time I looked, the airport IST is on the European side. Did someone pick it up and move it?


User currently onlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11299 times:

Didn't the flight arrive from Copenhagen?


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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2685 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 11170 times:

Quoting Ocracoke (Reply 9):
That's funny. Last time I looked, the airport IST is on the European side. Did someone pick it up and move it?

Obviously BBC forgot to consider TK's service from IST ! Nevertheless, Considering 98% of the country is on the Asian side, one can argue that IST is a city belonging to a western Asian country, therefore an Asian destination.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2009-01-03 00:59:38]


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 11118 times:

BBC forgot to consider lots of things.

There has been plenty of service from Europe to Iraq in the last few years, including lots of semi schedule flights from places like Germany, and certainly the Austrian Airlines flight to Irbil which commenced in 2006 and BBC themselves mentioned in a story.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6218210.stm



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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 11035 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 5):
Actually, if one wants to be geographically correct, it's in Asia.......so no, it's not "clearly in Europe" at all.

Istanbul is the only city in the world built on two continents. Ataturk Airport is situated on the European side while Sabiha Gokcen Airport is situated on the Asian side. Hence, IST is indeed in Europe.


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2685 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 10996 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
the Austrian Airlines flight to Irbil which commenced in 2006 and BBC themselves mentioned in a story.

Yes, but the post is about service to Baghdad specifically, and not Iraq as a whole country. In that respect, TK was the first airline to resume service from a European city to Baghdad since 1990. Nordic Leasure becomes the second, since the flights are scheduled.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 10962 times:

Istanbul IS in/on the European Continent. It is in the land of Thrace that stretches from Istanbul in the east to Ederne in the west . This is part of the larger European land mass often referred to as the Balkans.

As for Iraqi Airways they will start flights to Germany/Austria and Scandinavia long before London.

After all if its for commercial purposes they need energy/water/curtain wall and door makers along with structural steel workers to rebuild and almost all these are manufactured in the above countries not the UK.


User currently offlineAFKL From Netherlands, joined Feb 2008, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 10680 times:

Considering Iraqi Airways is looking at some kind of deal with Air France - KLM, wouldn't CDG or even AMS be one of the first destinations in Europe?


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 10571 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):


Quoting SeansasLCY (Thread starter):
Swedish-based company Nordic Leisure says it expects to fly to the Iraqi capital once a week.


The Nordic people are looking for leisure in Bahgdad?

Wow, they must be leading stressful lives if they think Bahgdad is a leisure destination!

Doubt Swedes are flying to Baghdad for holiday, we got lots of refugees from Iraq.

Read that the flight start from CPH in near future.

Cheers

//Micke  wave 



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8670 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 9751 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 5):
Actually, if one wants to be geographically correct, it's in Asia.......so no, it's not "clearly in Europe" at all.

So Turkey is not a European nation. Interesting.

Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 11):
Considering 98% of the country is on the Asian side, one can argue that IST is a city belonging to a western Asian country, therefore an Asian destination.

And 100% of the Canary Islands are geographically in Africa. Try telling a Spaniard born there that he's African  Smile


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2756 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 9553 times:

On a side note. Does the MD-80 have the range for a CPH - Baghdad flight! Now that is impressive. The distance is more than 1880 Nm. Very impressive! Best of luck for Nordic Leisure. Lets hope that they are successful.


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User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 8946 times:

Quoting Ocracoke (Reply 9):
Quoting AirNZ (Reply 5):
Actually, if one wants to be geographically correct, it's in Asia.......so no, it's not "clearly in Europe" at all.

That's funny. Last time I looked, the airport IST is on the European side. Did someone pick it up and move it?

Children, children stop fighting.  . You are both right. Istanbul is divided by the Bosphorus. Part is in Europe, part is in Asia. But yes, IST is on the European side.

[Edited 2009-01-03 08:04:08]


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User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 833 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 8766 times:

Turkey is part of Europe as much as Cyprus and Canary Islands.
It is sad that the media missed the part that TK allready started serviced to Bagdad.
Swedish airline Viking Airlines and Nordic Airways have been operating flights to Erbil and Sulemanya in norhtern Iraq for few years now, this is the first flight to Bagdad from a (western) european country,
Viking Airlines has been operating the flights Stockholm - Erbil non stop with an MD80, if i remember correctly, that was near the limit for a MD80, i could be wrong.
Most if not all of those passengers flying from Sweden to Iraq are Swedes with Iraqi origins.
Iraqis are the 2nd or 3rd largest immigration community in Sweden. there are approximately 180 000 Iraqis in Sweden.
From what i heard AF-KL has signed an agreement to help remodel the terminal building in Bagdad, not sure if it was mentioned about any services from the company.
I wouldent be surprised if gulf carriers like EK/QR/EY/GF start services within few years.



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User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 8255 times:

IST is definitely more of a European airport than SVO.


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7327 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 8105 times:

IST is definitely more of a European airport than SVO

But Moscow is so much more a European city in comparison to Istanbul.

[Edited 2009-01-03 09:55:19]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 7835 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 30):

But Moscow is so much more a European city in comparison to Istanbul.

That is absolutely correct.

[Edited 2009-01-03 10:19:05]


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25 BrightCedars : Good for Baghdad and Iraq but this is not the kind of carrier that we're looking at to consider that actual schedule service has been restored. Give m
26 Revelation : Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks!
27 HomaDreaming : Congrads on whatever first this flight is I doubt anyone will reach an agreement on it...its good to see a new market slowly open/reopen...I'm sure th
28 EK413 : EK will commence daily operations with the 5th A380 Wishful thinking for Iraqi spotters! EK413
29 ExSR : The mentality of the people. I heard an interesting documentation on this issue on new years day. Iraq is fully controlling its borders including imm
30 Post contains links OA260 : http://www.thy.com/en-INT/corporate/...cements/announcement.aspx?aid=2984 Turkish Airlines were indeed the first airline to fly between Europe and Bag
31 Post contains links Sukhoi : On the web it says it started in Sweden in the paper it was ARN-CPH-SDA In Swedish with two pictures http://www.svd.se/nyheter/utrikes/artikel_227227
32 LH4116 : If i remember correctly the aircraft makes a stop in BEY, and then continues down to SDA. That's at least what they've used to do, and i don't know w
33 CX747 : Do we have any information regarding the airline that will be operating from Hong Kong? After several years of war it is nice to see that some sort of
34 Post contains links Robffm2 : Sorry, this is only one of 3 models. Following the different models, there are 5, 6 or 7 continents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent
35 Lovetojetblue : i just think that this is a beginning step in the right direction, unfortunately (not for me though, as i have no desire to go to Baghdad), it will be
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