TKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11688 times:
Since some weeks I wanted to start this Thread as some definite schedules are made for the Summer 09 Season.
The recent Article in TKs inflight Magazine gave me the impulse to start it now. There, TKs Chairman Candan Karlitekin makes a short briefing of TKs projects and gives hints of new Destinations.
New Destinations:
Dakar (2 weekly)
Sao Paolo (2 weekly, via DKR )
Toronto (?)
Mashhad (3 weekly)
Nairobi (3 weekly)
Ufa (3 weekly)
Lvov (3 weekly)
Goteborg (3 weekly)
Additionally under consideration:
Washington,
Alexandria,
Lahore,
Bengazhi,
Glasgow and
Dacca.
Increased Frequencies:
AMM 12->14 weekly
AMS eventually a 4th daily
ASB 8->11 weekly
ATH 2dly->16wkly
BAK 2dly->3dly
BSL 4wkl->daily
TXL 2dly->17wkl
BRU 17wkl->3dly
CPH 10wkl->2dly
DOK 3wkl->4wkl
DUS 3dly->4dly
GVA 9wkl->2dly
HEL 5wkl->daily
LIS 3wkl->4wkl
LJU flights will be split from ZAG flights, 4wkl
LYS daily-> 10wkl
MAD 10wkl->2dly
BOM 3wkl->daily
MUC 2dly->3dly
DEL 4wkl->daily
NCE 4wkl->daily
ODS daily->9wkl
CDG 3dly->4dly
FCO 10wkl->2dly
ARN 10wkl->2dly
STR 17ykl6>3dlz
TBZ 3wkl->5wkl
VCE 4wkl->daily
VIE 2dly->18wkl
ZAG split from LJU flights, 5wkl
All data provisional, only TK flights (no codeshare) ex IST
If you have more information, feel free to complete the list or correct me....
Does TK have rights for this route??? I know there has been a big Turkish Airlines office downtown Toronto for a long time, and the route has been mentioned before, but I am not sure if the rights are there between Turkey and Canada.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11531 times:
Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 1): Does TK have rights for this route???
Not yet, however getting close.
TK is currently limited to Montreal resultant from a 1950s trade agreement.
Quoting MEA (Reply 2): What happened to the planned flights to Australia?
What planned Australia flight? -- TK smart enough to realize Australia has turned into a blood bath for European carriers.
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Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11470 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3): Quoting MEA (Reply 2):
What happened to the planned flights to Australia?
What planned Australia flight?
Australia was the 'dream' destination of TK since they got their A310s in early 1980s because of the Turkish community there . But you are correct , they are too smart to realize that Australia is a market better served with Star Alliance partner. Let us not forget the experience of MIA when the airline suffered losses because of the intention of serving the expat Turks.
So when AY is starting their initially 2wkl flight in March, we basically see an increase of flights from 5wkl to 9wkl between HEL and IST. I wonder if there's really that much demand these times...
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 66 Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11325 times:
The only plausible way I think TK might be able to profitably serve OZ would be nonstop service to SYD/MEL using, for example, A350-900Rs. This would allow them to compete with the other one-stop carriers for OZ-EU traffic, supplemented by the higher-yielding IST-OZ traffic willing to pay extra for a nonstop on a home airline.
TKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11260 times:
Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 5): So when AY is starting their initially 2wkl flight in March, we basically see an increase of flights from 5wkl to 9wkl between HEL and IST. I wonder if there's really that much demand these times...
TK tried HEL in the 90ies, but due to economic woes, TK closed this route very quickly.
Now it seems to work, Finland in the EU, much more business TR/SF, more tourists, lots of transit Pax.
Same for AY they had combined flights HEL-ATH/IST. Due to AYs strength in Asia, they may have demand for connection traffic to/from IST.
HUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1372 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11148 times:
Turkish to Glasgow has nothing whatsoever to do with low-co operations in Scotland. Manchester, and now Birmingham have proven great routes for TK, and Glasgow could undoubtedly hold it's own.
BY738 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Sep 2000, 1975 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11145 times:
EK will sooner or later. There are no real loco Scottish flights except the package tour type to the Turkish beach resorts, and a few low frequency tour operator affiliated summer only "scheduled" Flyglobespan flights.
Turkish Airlines will see the growing potential and be unfazed by any of the current Scottish offerings.
I have also no doubts that GLA will work, at least for their PAK/IND connections.
I wondered BHX started 5weekly, whereas other new routes starts just with 2-3weekly flights.
Also BOM and DEL will be increased to daily and upgraded from 310 to 332/340 effective 02Feb09
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4899 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10923 times:
Quoting TKfan (Reply 12): I wondered BHX started 5weekly, whereas other new routes starts just with 2-3weekly flights.
I wonder if its due to the competition from EK and PIA making frequency important. Its not like say GOT which IIRC has little or no Middle East service
Do TK serve Amritsar? (If so then they also have Turkmenistan Airlines to compete with for transfer traffic out of BHX)
Of course the Middle East/Pakistan/India aren't the only markets TK will be interested in for transfer passengers but I suspect it's a major one
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10832 times:
Quoting Bahadir (Reply 4): Australia was the 'dream' destination of TK since they got their A310s in early 1980s
Yes I remember that, but certainly not something most took seriously. Even when JFK was launched via BRU with the A310s the route was quite shaky those days.
Along the same lines I remember Turgut Ozal had near insistent dreams of TK getting 747s around the 1st Gulf War, but thankfully more rational minds talked him out of those dreams of grandeur.
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6): The only plausible way I think TK might be able to profitably serve OZ would be nonstop service to SYD/MEL
Agreed, and this is something that TK is neither capable of at the moment, nor interested in starting a battle with the Gulf carriers over.
Any Turkey-Australia traffic for now can easily flow over Star hubs in SIN/BKK.
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LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10498 times:
It is not meant for the business travel. Instead it will mostly cater for the growing Turkish tourist traveller to Brazil and possibly a few ethnic connections from Mideast locations. (same how TK operates to BKK primarily for Turkish tourist).
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MilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 838 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10228 times:
Quite exciting growth plans ahead for TK. From what I've been reading on airliners.net and flyertalk, TK really seem to have gotten their stuff together. Good product on the ground and in the air. Looking forward to trying them out in the future.
Quoting Bahadir (Reply 4): Australia was the 'dream' destination of TK since they got their A310s in early 1980s because of the Turkish community there . But you are correct , they are too smart to realize that Australia is a market better served with Star Alliance partner. Let us not forget the experience of MIA when the airline suffered losses because of the intention of serving the expat Turks.
Agreed. SYD-IST is a low-yield VFR market. I don't think we will ever see it. It is more profitable to dump the pax in BKK, and send them on their merry way via TG.
Quoting Hirnie (Reply 17): Only two flights a week and not nonstop. I wonder how they will make money with this low frequency. It is not very atractive to business travellers.
That's a handy little route to know about for RTW fares. Always pleasing to see another Africa -> Sth America route open up.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 66 Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10142 times:
Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 19): I believe TK would have a good advantage if they flew SYD-IST non-stop providing better one-stop options to Euro cities than any other airline!
Yes, that's a good advantage because it would be the only one stop service for many european cities. However, the disadvantage is the high CASM in operating segments of over 9000 miles. I wouldn't try it with the 777-200LR. Perhaps the A350-900R might make it competitive.
Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 59 Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10123 times:
Undoubtedly IST-GLA would be extremely popular with connections to India and Pakistan, and to further afield. There is also a large number of Turks in the West of Scotland which would help such a flight. I would expect it to be 2 or 3 weekly to start with, if it happens
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LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9992 times:
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Quoting Hirnie (Reply 17): Only two flights a week and not nonstop. I wonder how they will make money with this low frequency. It is not very atractive to business travellers
They can offer Star Aliance routes thru FRA or MUC for example to complement. TAAG begins with a weekly flight LAD-GIG, now it's 5x weekly with some weeks, daily service. There's market, but they need to add more offer slowly.
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TKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9936 times:
Quoting Hirnie (Reply 17): Only two flights a week and not nonstop. I wonder how they will make money with this low frequency. It is not very atractive to business travellers.
The schedules look like they are made primarily for leisure traffic and for connection traffic to Middle East/ Asia.
If there is a potential for business and premium PAX I am sure TK will upgrade it to nonstop and increase frequencies, now as they expect some more 77W.
25 TKfan: In a press release (turkish only)from 07Jan09 there is a nice fleet compilation from 2003 until 2008. As this Topic is about their expansion in 2009,
26 BBADXB: KM and TK started codesharing on KM's twice weekly MLA-IST flights last year. I believe that this may have improved traffic on the route, and wonder i
27 Hardiwv: TK plans for GRU include increasing frequency to 4 weekly by end of 2009 and replacing the A340-300 with the B772 (once they join the fleet). Rgs,
28 Flyyul: Toronto has been mentionned since 2004. It's most likely not going to happen absent a bilateral re-negotiation.
29 Flying Belgian: Does anyone know how their Baghdad flight is doing ? Loadfactor ? Yield ? Operations concerns if any ? Many many thanks, FB.
30 LAXintl: Baghdad - excellent. Frequencies have been increased already, and fare at near $1000 for an advance purchase Y seat!
31 Turkish350XWB: Hi all ! This is my very first post here in airliners.net I just got registered, even though i'm visiting this forum regularily for a lot of time now.
32 LH506: I guess you mean 77W? Another question. How many 77W does Jet have incl. the ones which are still on order? Im the Gulf Air Thread, it states that th
33 TKfan: Welcome on board Turkish350XWB The third should join the fleet in January. A fourth eventually in April, no official announcement, just hints. Other
34 MotorHussy: At 9,293 miles, SYD-IST is not as far as SQ's SIN-JFK (or is it EWR?) flight, 9,537 miles, that's operated by the less range capable and thirstier A3
35 Turkish350XWB: Hope they can get slots that suit better to their fareast schedule. Between al the fareast destinations, ICN and NRT seem to have different timings.
36 Ammunition: Hi, what is the outlook for turkish aviation over the coming months? Are the low cost airlines doing well, any likely airlines for going bust? Im thin
37 Bahadir: Ammunition, PGT will be around.. they are financially sound and they provide good semi-LCC service. Book 'em It's been going on for as long as I can r
38 AlitaliaMD11: Any word on if or when IST-JFK will be upgraded to the 777-300ER? Last I had heard they needed to get some sort of DOT approval to operate leased airc
39 Stylo777: well, it's the usual business we see every year. except TK all the others leasing out their planes for hajj ops or other airlines during the winter.
40 TurkishSky: change of ICN schedule announced last week. It will be similar to KIX
41 Turkish350XWB: You're right, but the schedule for summer show the older departure/arrival times... News on the big aircraft order: http://www.atwonline.com/news/sto
42 TKfan: Dont remember if Pilotaydin or Wing said, NRT and ICN are more O&D passengers, thats why the different scheduling. Guess due to the economics and les
43 Bahadir: TKFan, TK has to increase the ORD flights to daily. Current JFK schedule and the lack of connecting traffic from JFK on UA and US is making JFK more o
44 TurkishSky: TK just announced change of schedule today. See the link: http://www.thy.com/en-INT/corporate/...cements/announcement.aspx?aid=3201
45 TKfan: Strange that there is a timeframe set, until 6thMarch. I wonder if they are going daily on 06thMarch Now that the Hajj Season is finished, 2(+1) 77W a
46 GustyOrange: Anyone like to speculate on whether Glasgow will go ahead this year? Cheers g
47 Turkish350XWB: Do these A332s have the same engines as the other 5 of TK ? Instead of increasing frequencies TK is adding and adding new destinations. It's interest
48 Bahadir: Interesting choice on the ORD schedule.. but maybe they are trying to capture the US -> Middle East/Asia market.. On the other hand leaving 22:00 pm f
49 TKfan: Same engines, however I dont know if lower trust (-202?) Turkish Airlines do both, once introduced and if there is high demand, they increase the fre
50 Turkish350XWB: http://www.airporthaber.com/v3/readnews.php?newid=10263 - Confirmation about THY going daily (from 4 weekly) on Basel starting march, 3rd. - Kuwait go
51 TKfan: Looked on the website of Turkish CAA, Turkish Airlines is allowed to fly 8xWeek, and Singapore Airlines 6xWeek. No mention about a revised agreement
52 Turkish350XWB: http://www.haberturk.com/ekonomi/hab...-zengin-500-kisiye-bedel-oldu.aspx 16 F/C passengers in 2 weeks, of which 14 are turks, 1 japanese and 1 englis
53 TK787: I am not a science guy, but 16 pax in 14 days for flights to LHR, SIN and HKG means 8% load on F seats total in two weeks. Someone can come up with s
54 LAXintl: Relax TK787. The concept of an F-class product was thrown together very fast in a short amount of time. It will take TK months if not years to firmly
56 TKfan: I am afraid, the load factor is even lower, seems they have count the figures just one way that makes a LF of appr. 3.5%, and I suppose most of them
57 Behramjee: They also need to properly educate big shot corporate agents in LON such as AMEX, HRG, Carlson Waglonlit and other important clients that F class is n
58 TKfan: It seems Turkish Airlines cant wait the summer schedules to begin, as of beginning March, HEL and VCE flights will be increased to daily, and BRU flig
59 Turkish350XWB: Would be nice to see MAD going double daily as well; and to see a 3rd spanish destination. Bilbao, Valencia, Sevilla? http://www.thy.com/tr-TR/corpor
60 OA260: LOL... thats funny. Does it actually say the nationalities in the link? I looked at it but dont understand it . I travelled on my UK passport that tr
61 Neutral: Dublin goes daily on the Istanbul route for the summer
62 TKfan: MAD is also going double daily, see first post Its not only a popular Destination, it helped also that IB pulled off the route. I remember just few y
63 TK787: Thanks, I have been waiting for that. You have some good points, so I sent an email to TK; pointing out that every detail counts if they want to be a
64 TKfan: We dont know if TK consider the 77W as their Flagship?? Besides of that, the listing is in Alphabetical order. First Passenger A/C than Freigthers, t
65 OA260: Well I dont know if its true or not but I did ask this question to one of the TK crew when I went on it and they said that it was not their flagship
66 TK787: I thought about this one also. It is a valid point that they don't own them, and the interior product is not TK. But still, inside and outside it is
67 Turkish350XWB: http://www.haberturk.com/ekonomi/hab...-zengin-500-kisiye-bedel-oldu.aspx Yes: "16 First Class yolcudan 14’ü Türk, biri İngiliz biri de Japon ç
68 OA260: Oh ok thanks lol... I know what you mean but I have to say I like them. I tried them out and they were really comfortable and you could still communi
69 TurkishSky: New for S09: TK's website shows: BKK down to daily from current 10 weekly CMN up to daily from 5 weekly SIN up to 5 weekly from 4 weekly
70 TurkishSky: More on SO9 increases: ORD goes daily (at last) JNB/CPT 4 weekly up from 3 weekly
71 TK787: How are the loads on the ORD flights? Winter vs. Summer? ORD shows as 332 as of now, so reduction in capacity to 332 but adding frequency?
72 TKfan: I guess they are currently working the schedules, a great surprise, ADD will be daily too!!! Never could imagine there is any potential to ADD. Read r
73 LAXintl: Quite seasonal. Unlike JFK which seems to generate year-round traffic including business demand, ORD is much more of a tourist flight. One of the rea
74 TKfan: I wondered myself why the 77W is in the listing, as TK never include wet-leased A/C into this list. Remember the A310's of World Focus and the 738 of
75 Turkish350XWB: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/01/119_38378.html About the new ICN schedule and and broadened traffic rights. Now it´s 4. With a ne
76 LuftyMatt: True, if they just focused on the Turkish community there. But they are in good position using their IST hub, to attract tourists from around Europe.
77 Babybus: I notice you say they will fly to Bengazi in Libya. They don't currently fly to the capital Tripoli at the moment. I wonder where they think they will
78 TKfan: BKK has a healthy share of O&D traffic, guess it was seasonal. Currently there is big demand due to holidays in Turkey. Therefore JFK will be 9 weekl
79 TKfan: Tripoli was flown three weekly last summer, increased to daily since the Winter Schedules, and still daily flights. Funny you write this, coincidenta
80 LAXintl: Turkey-Libya have long had cordial and strong business links which has supported air service between the countries. (even Muammar Gaddafi did part of
81 TKfan: Thank you LAXintl for the Background info. I remember there were flights to both TIP and BEN before the embargo against Libya. Lots of Turkish Constr
82 AH332: Hi, Very interesting news regarding TK! I have a question regarding their flights to ALG. How are the loads? And are they still using the A313s or has
83 LAXintl: ALG is doing good, and indeed carrying China traffic. Flights currenty being operaterd daily with mostly A321s. The A313 fleet is down to only two air
84 Turkish350XWB: Yes, i read this article. But i'm against enhancements of IST, would prefer a bigger substitute airport. If they invest millions perhaps they will no
85 TKfan: Part of the increasings to ADD and some German cities will be effective next weekend or effective beginning March. link ADD additional flight on Satur
86 Uzzzer: LWO has disappeared in Amadeus. Anybody knows why? Lack of equipment? Route economics due to crisis? Or it will be back?
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