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Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?  
User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Northwest's 747-200s are aging, and Northwest will need to find a replacement soon. Is Northwest looking at planes such as the A340 or possibly the 777-300? When Northwest's fleet renewal plan finish up, there will be a large gap between the A330-300 and 747-400(Assuming they will get rid of the 747-200 by this time) This new plane would probably be used for some Pacific Routes and maybe some Atlantic routes.

BH346


Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
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User currently offlineDTW/ORD Fan! From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

There is a possibilty of the A340-600, but it will most likely be the 747-400 to replace the 200's, as they have already ordered 2 more 744's.

User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

747-400? Isn't that a little too big? What about smaller-density routes like SEA-KIX, and Asia-KIX/NRT?

BH346



Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
User currently offlineA330-243 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 251 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

Since they've placed an order for 36 A330-300's, I think that makes A340-600 is the favourite to replace 742's.

Maybe they will take a closer look at the A346 when it enters service and then decide. Will NW operate RR powered a/c???

The 777-300 is already operated by many airlines as a 747 classic replacement. Are we talking about the -ER because that can only be ordered with GE90's right???

It looks like NW can't get their preferred P&W's for their 742 replacement!!! Big grin


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3905 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

NW operates some of the newst 747-200s out there, so I doubt there is a plan for replacement right away. When that does happen, it will probably be the 747-400 as previously mentioned. As for the concern of them being too big? That's whole reason they fly them! They fill them on their cash cow flights to Asia. The 744 is already in service for NW on the intra asia flights.


AZJ


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39835 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2475 times:

Isn't the A330 & A340 the same plane?
One with 2 engines and one with 4 engines the only difference.

I hope they stick with the 747s.
If they consider anything smaller, I would hope they would go with the A340.
There are no US A340 operators yet and I wish one would start!
It is such a beautiful aircraft and it would look great in the Northwest livery.  Big thumbs up


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Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineA330_DTW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2471 times:

I read in the company news that NW will probably look at the 777-200 as a replacement for the 747-200. Not for a few years, though.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39835 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 2457 times:

OH NO! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 2450 times:

I usually hope for Boeing when it came to Northwest finding widebody replacements, but I'd like to see some diversity for a US airline and I hope they get the A340-600. I, too, would like to see an A340 operator in the USA. I really doubt the 777 series will be in the Northwest fleet becauase NWA has the A320 family and the A330, so don't worry.

BH346



Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 2450 times:

Many other airlines operate both 330 and 777 series of jets, so I wouldn't discount Boeing.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10680 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

NWs official statement is that there are no plans to retire the huge 747 classic fleet. Half of them are anyway less than 20 years old so NW is in no hurry. The majority of the DC-10-fleet is older. You can still expect some Classics by the end of this decade in Northwest´s fleet.
I guess that they will be replaced slowly with 747-400s and later with a mix of 747X and A340s. The 777 would be the odd one out and is very unlikely.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

They have so many B 747-200s but only about 18 B 747-400s.

I think they should replace the B 742s with B 747-400s. Why? Coz the B 747-200s are being used on ultra-long haul flights with high capacity as well. Therefore, that would be an ideal replacement for the B 747-200s



User currently offlineQantasA3XX From Singapore, joined Dec 2000, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

For replacements of NW B742s !! There are 2 choices !!
B777-300ER and A340-600

I go for the A340-600 . Since they operate the A330s , i think the A340s is more likely choices and besides to cross the Pacific , a Four-engine plane is the best choice .

 Smile


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

I think NW has two ways to go in regards to replacing their 747-200 fleet.

They could buy the 747-400, but I think NW may be looking at the 747-400ER and possibly buy as many as 20-25 planes over a four year period.

It's also logical that NW seriously consider the A340-600, too. After all, NW pilots that will be qualified to fly the A330-300 will be able to be qualified on the A340-600 with only a few day's familiarization in a simulator given the near-identical setup of the A330 and A340 cockpits. Also, gate handling facilities that will be used for the A333 will easily apply to the A346, too. Again, this could be a 20-25 plane order.


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

If Airbus offers to NW a P&W 4000 series engine on the A340-500/600, they will order it. With the P&W 4000 series engine on the A340-500/600, it will share cockpit and engine commonality with Northwest's A330s. If NW goes for the 777 they will order the 200ER model with the P&W 4000 series to share engine commonality with their A330s and 747-400s.

User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

When I was waiting for boarding of KE002 in Narita, I saw very bizarre scene! 4 NW jumbo parked by terminal 1, one another was on remote apron, the 6th was taking off, just next another landed! None of them was -400, it's very contrast that I'd seen 7 UA -400s at that time.

I wish NW orders 340, but DC-9 is older.


User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Explain to me why that is so strange?

Is it because United decided to retire the 747-200s a few years earlier than NW did? Let's not forget that UA is a much bigger airline and has a lot more money to order all those brand new 747-400s with.


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Just for the record, NW´s 747-200 fleet has an average age of over 21 years, DC10s are 25 yrs on average.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Many here highlight the commonality the A346 would have with the A333s.
Well....
If they go with the 744 or 744ER as their 742 replacement instead of the A346, those will have full commonality with the 744s they currently operate...
But the A346`s awesome cargo capacity may be an important factor....


raggi



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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

NW can go either way with the A340-500/600 or the 747-400ER. I think the A340 will be the right choice because it is technically far advanced than the 747 with the FBW flight controls and cockpit commonality with their A330s.

User currently offlineDTW/ORD Fan! From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 2273 times:

I REALLY hope NW orders a mix of 747-400ER and A340-600. It would be a very good mix.

User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Even I have seen a post written 'Does NW have plan for replacing aging 744?' Don't be shocked for -200 replacing. They're quite old by so-called 'industrial standard'.

User currently offlineMarc Kobaissi From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

They should buy all new A340s. They would look beautiful in NWA livery.

User currently offlineSJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Anyone know if there is any chance we could catch a A330 flying the SFO-MSP/DTW/or NRT routes??? I think that planes gonna look great in NW colors

User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

21 years is still quite old for airlines outside the US. NZ has got rid of their 742s, and the first of them was delivered in 81-82....anyways I think they'll get 744s eventually

25 Nwa747-400 : I compelety agree that 21 is no spring chicken, but in the US it's not that uncommon. NW just seems very cautious when making big announcements and se
26 Azjubilee : People seem to not realize that the industry measures age in the amount of cycles the airplane has. A cycle is defined as a set of take off and landin
27 DatamanA340 : I don't mean that Northwest MUST retire all its 742. If it's safe and economical enough it's better to maintain. And 744 - still much worth to buy. Bu
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