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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Posted (14 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

I was at Miami International over the weekend and while waiting to board a Gulfstream flight, I noticed
an Iberia 747-200 parked adjacent to two A320 or
A319's and one MD87, all of Iberia. I know that IB
set up a mini-hub at MIA years ago but with Iberia
now in Oneworld, does it make more sense for them
to feed traffic onto AA flights to Latin America,
given AA's huge MIA presence? Also, where does
IB fly to from MIA?


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User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (14 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

well, i believe that´s similar to pan am and delta operations from FRA to east europe in the early nineties.
but i´m wondering how an airline could make a profit of having 4 planes based somewhere which i don´t think are heavily used. well, how many daily flights to MIA from spain does IB have, 2, 3? i assume, to assure convenient but still fast connection times, IB should have at least 2 or three daily flights from spain if all their smaller aircraft in MIA are to be utilized viably.
well, i don´t know too much about this matter, and if anyone has some light to shed, please do!

btw, afaik, in the mid nineties, LH was thinking about implementing a similar hub somewhere in the north of southamerica, probably BOG or CCS, to serve destinations such as LPB, LIM, UIO (and GYE?) with a-319s. at that time, LH had a code-share with lloyd aereo boliviano (if that´s the correct name of the airline, does it still exist today? i hardly think so...), but a few years ago, these ties ceased.
i assume, these operations didn´t seem viable because of the not too big business traffic, many restrictions, and to utilize the pilot crews in the best way, the a-340 crews would have operated also the a-319s, but because LH doesn´t have a common pilot pool for its 340s and 32xs, this fell through. well, this might not be entirely correct , because it´s sometime ago, and this is only how i roughly remember reading it. in addition, i believe this was far from becoming a reality and i don´t think that this was ever considered seriously, but still, they were thinking about it at least to some extent...


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User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (14 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2423 times:


at that time there was a 747 going to CCS-BOG; from BOG was a connection with Lloyd Aéreo Boliviano to LPB as well as another 727, this one from TAME Ecuador going to UIO and GYE. Then the last leg (UIO-GYE) was abolished. Around 1995 LH started to use their own equipment to fly into UIO; I did a practical stage at LH´s FRA base shortly before that, when they were preparing the implementation of that new service (training 340 crews on the difficult UIO approach, discussing viable days of operations etc.), and I never heard anything about such a mini hub at BOG.

Daniel Smile

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8119 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

I don't think IB would want to have the hassle of passengers transferring from an IB wide-body jet to an AA jet. That's why IB still maintains a mini-hub at MIA so they can fly smaller planes from MIA to Mexico, Central America and parts of South America.

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (14 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

daniel, thanks for the info,
however, i´m well aware of their schedule at that time, i myself was on one of their flights to CCS and on to BOG in ´95, but i didn´t pay attention to any connecting flights to LPB or UIO.
although i can´t give you any exact info about this supposed "mini-hub" anymore, and i certainly agree that some of my info could be wrong, because i don´t remember it exactly, i certainly know that there was some talk about this.
however, i´m not wondering at all that this never came to be.
best wishes


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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2746 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (14 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2411 times:

The Maimi hub was established about a decade ago to serve the latin american countries and cities that didn't have enough traffic to have a dedicated widebody flight direct from Madrid.

Although, most Latin American countries have been independent for almost 200 years now, the ties between them and their mother country is still extremely strong. Spain's private companies and industries have a lot of money invested in all of the countries thereby making a lot of business travel to/from these destinations.

Cities served from the Miami hub include:

Cancun, Mexico
Guatemala City, Guatemala
San Salvador, El Salvador
San Pedro Sula, Honduras
Managua, Nicaragua
San Jose, Costa Rica
Panama City, Panama

The hub is based on 2 daily 747-200's flights from Madrid, 2 A319's and 2 MD-87's based in Miami. Iberia serves the cities above at lease on a 5x's a week basis with some being daily or more flights per week. Such is the case of Panama city in which there is about 10 weekly flights per week.

Spain's national airline flies to every country in Latin America except for maybe: Montevideo, Uruguay and Asunsion, Paraguay due to the fact that they get code-share service via Iberia's partner Aerolineas Argentinas.

In essense, the hub was establish by Iberia (At the time a government agency of Spain) to keep the mother country's presence in all of it's former territories. I don't know exactly how profitable the hub is, but on main routes to Cancun, Guatemala, San Jose, and Panama a profit is guaranteed due to the high tourist demand and business passengers carried. And you can compare this hub as a small version of what Pan Am's Frankfurt hub was once was as the national flag carrier of the U.S. and it's foreign interest.

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Guatemala, Guatemala

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Panama, Panama

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San Salvador, El Salvador

Iberia, Lineas Areas de España...

Best regards,
Apollo Diaz

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (14 years 5 days ago) and read 2393 times:

... and this explains the md-87 (think so) i saw in CUN last summer.


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User currently offlineIbe1238 From Spain, joined Mar 2001, 134 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (14 years 5 days ago) and read 2391 times:

MD-87's are being changed by AIRBUS 319.
Two years ago IBERIA inagurated a route that was MADRID-GUATEMALA-SAN JOSÉ DE COSTA RICA-MADRID operated by B-767 leased from AIR EUROPA. It used to have three times a week and it was normally full but they resume this flight.

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6260 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

LAB at the moment still exist , but they are undergoing difficulties . As they are partly owned by VASP but VASP is still fighting for its and The govt of Bolivia really dosent care about its nartional airline.
Puerto Rico

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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2746 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

I must add that it seems as the Miami hub is profitable enough for Iberia to maintain with it's own services. I too have wondered why Iberia doesn't instead choose to code-share with American Airlines as Miami is the hub of American Airlines' latin american operations.

I wonder why American hasn't objected to the hub since AA is a partial owner of Iberia and thus Iberia's feed of passengers to AA's latin american destined flights would really make good sense for AA.

Usual accords with other airlines around the world usually leads to the stronger airline taking over the operations which would benefit both parties and increase yield on each others pockets. However, this seems not to be the case in this subject as Iberia has been constantly augmenting service. When the hub started in the early 90's, it comprimised of 3 old DC-9's. Then they were upgraded to newer MD-87's and now to brand new A319's - plus it has added one more aircraft to offer more frequencies.

We must not forget that Iberia is Europe's choice airline for Latin American and thus prides itself in being number one to the region. This means that not only does it generate enough traffic from it's own country, but also transports many passengers from other E.U. countries that connect at Madrid. So in conclusion,the Miami hub must be there for a justified reason.

Best regards,
Apollo Diaz

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