Airsrpska From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4340 times:
This is my first topic and first of all, I must say that I 'm so happy to be part of this member group.
As I am originaly from ex Yugoslavia that's reason why I posted this theme with this topic.
There is no airlines that has direct flight between USA and Balkan countries such as Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia! Why?
In USA and Canada, there is over 1 Million people from ex-Yugoslavia! Wouldn't be great reason to start that flights?! I'm flying every year to Serbia like many others and always have to have at least two flights, first from IAD to usually MUC, FRA , ZRH, or CDG and then second flight to BEG!
And you are lucky if you have "only' two of them, but people that are going to Bosnia for example, they must have (most times) tree(!) flights before they got there in SSJ!
I know that it used to be direct flights in 80's, between Belgrade and Zagreb to JFK, LAX,ORD and so on... and these routes were most profitable for Jat Airways!
Ok, Jat Airways is not in position now to start these fllights, first of all, they don't have wide body aircraft! But, what about other airlines, especially US based airliners?!
None of them don't see oportunity to do something?!
United, Delta, American, none of them? Why?
Here is just one example, in Chicago area, who is by the way hub for United and American, there is over HALF Million people just from Ex -Yugoslavia!!!
Or large community is also present in Atlanta, especially from Bosnia, and it's Delta's hub, Atlanta. Even here where I live, Delmarva region, it's ten's of thousand people from ex-Yu!
And nobody(Delta, United, American...) don't see chance to have all those people on board!? Maybe, there are happy to see that pople on Lufthansa's airplanes( mostly) or Austrian Airlines or Air France birds?
Thanks in advance for any answers and explanation!
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12166 posts, RR: 35 Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4333 times:
I'm surprised DL hasn't done anything about this, given that it already operates n/s flights from JFK to places like BUH and AMM. I guess that with the economic slowdown, it's unlikely to happen in 2009, but on the other hand, if routes to other places are failing, BEG or ZAG might be a strong possibility; better to start a new route on your own and have a monopoly, than be in competition (and thus have falling yields) on a heavily serviced and competitive market.
The only other reason I can think of is that there may still be US or UN sanctions against Serbia in place, which would preclude the establishment of direct air links?
Airsrpska From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4314 times:
As I know, there is no sanction right now against Serbia, it was before, back to 90's.
And , ok I understand that's is economic crisis, it's reflects also on many airlines and their profitabilty. But, why they don't try in begining just seasonal, summer time and then they will be able to see how it looks?!
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4309 times:
Unfortunately, there are many locations in Europe that do not have non-stop to the U.S. - Malev just recently halted all trans-Atlantic operations, and I don't think TAROM has flown to the U.S. in many years.
At the current time, there simply is the business traffic between the U.S. and any airport in the former Yugoslavia. It is not economically feasible at the moment to try and fill planes to fly long distances if they are only going to out half (or less) full. The current strategy of most airline alliances is to get travellers to the big airports such as (but certainly not exclusive to) MAD, CDG, FRA, and AMS, and then connect them to smaller airports such as LJU, ZAG, SJJ, and BEG.
It is going to be a very long time before any city in the region at all has non-stop to the U.S., I'm afraid.
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Shanxz From Singapore, joined Apr 2006, 235 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4303 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1): better to start a new route on your own and have a monopoly, than be in competition (and thus have falling yields) on a heavily serviced and competitive market.
The next best option to starting your own route is to work with an alliance partner to provide capacity. This way, airlines can go after untapped revenues, without utilizing their own equipment. So even though UA and soon CO doesn't have any flights of their own to the ex-YU, they have a strong alliance with LH for the same purpose. And now that Star Alliance is growing further, this is likely to increase.
And until the demand surpasses what alliance partners can support, I don't think airlines will start new routes on their equipment.
Airlines are in the service business, not transport. Brand matters...
Airsrpska From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4302 times:
Unfortunately, I think you are right PanAm747, it will take a long time before we see any airport in ex-Yu to be conected with direct flight with Us cities.
So, we will still have to go with I (must be honest!) lovely Lufthansa birds and crews, or Austrian, both are my favor Airlines!
I don't mind, if we can't have direct fligts to our homeland, at least we can enjoy flying with German and Austrian flag carriers,it was always my plesure to be on their birds!
Shanxz From Singapore, joined Apr 2006, 235 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4277 times:
Quoting Airsrpska (Reply 5): I don't mind, if we can't have direct fligts to our homeland, at least we can enjoy flying with German and Austrian flag carriers,it was always my plesure to be on their birds!
Soon to be all LH-owned anyway. But all good.
Airlines are in the service business, not transport. Brand matters...
Flyboy_se From Switzerland, joined Feb 2000, 759 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4207 times:
I dont think any US airline will be profitable in year round service.If they ever do start service it will most likely be seasonal.
When JAT operated flights to the US it was a different time and different country.
People payed a lot more for their tickets then they do today.
And i would imagine that if there was non stop flights, people would still go on LH OS AF BA and connect if the price was say 50 USD cheaper.
But you never know, the countries on the balkans are changing, and in lets say 5 years its not impossible that one of the carriers starts flights to Ex Yu countries.But to be honest i think only BEG, and possibly ZAG could support non stop flights.
Didnt SkyService operate flights from Canada to BEG and ZAG during last 2 years via DUB?? if i remember correctly it was seasonal only.
Adriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 511 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4039 times:
The economy of the region is not strong enough to support direct flights. Don't forget it is Business class that makes money for airlines. The only real future for direct flights is charter flights during the summer months to places such as: Belgrade, Split, Zagreb, Dubrovnik, Pristina and Pula. But mainline service? No way..
Look at the rest of the Balkans..Bucharest has failed for Delta if i remember..and that is double the size of Belgrade (so about 4times Zagreb). Appart from Athens, no other city in the whole of South East Europe has transatlantic flights. In Eastern Europe the situation is not good for longhaul.
Malev - suspended
CSA - not doing much
Tarom - suspended
LOT polish is the only successful Eastern European airline with a longhaul network..and they have double the number of diaspora as X-Yu...
Airman99o From Canada, joined Aug 1999, 974 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3933 times:
Skyservice has gone in and out of the region for a few years now. Last year we only did Zagreb. The Belgrade flights were canceled due to the unrest that happend in Kosovo. I haven't heard any talk of us going back there again this summer. Flights were always full. For the first few years was VIA DUB. Last year was BFS. Great flights. would spend 4 hours on the ground in Zagreb. Nice airport. HUGE duty free. I do remember some remods going on. Awsome cafe outside tons of tables, weather great. always wished for a MECH. So hoping that we do go back!!
Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2888 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3850 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
And even ATH has issues trying to fill its seats out of the Summer tourist season.
really? during summer our ATH flights out of FRA are jammed packed with people from Canada/US. I would say almost 60-70% of the A300s. So it seems the one-stop option is often cheaper than the non-stop?!?
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3832 times:
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 15): really? during summer our ATH flights out of FRA are jammed packed with people from Canada/US. I would say almost 60-70% of the A300s. So it seems the one-stop option is often cheaper than the non-stop?!?
Yep LH have a big presence and thus non stop carriers have to compete with FRA hub with 4 flights a day ( 1 of which codeshare A3) , fares are cheaper and in Greece LH have a good reputation for reliability.
They are always sending me special offers and promotions in Greek. They have a good marketing strategy.
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B727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 629 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3811 times:
Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 7): And i would imagine that if there was non stop flights, people would still go on LH OS AF BA and connect if the price was say 50 USD cheaper.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. If my choices were to pay 50 dolars less and make one ore more connections, or pay the extra money and get to my destinationa few hours sooner, I would take the non stop flight. The price difference would have to be much greater than that for me to make that decision.
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JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2213 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3799 times:
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10): I think, had ZAG and BEG been under the B757 max-range from NYC, either DL or CO could have been trying those destinations.
I agree. I believe that the market exists, but it is too small to operate profitably on even the smallest planes capable of making non-stop TATL flights.
The days when Yugoslavia was a country of 25+ million people and when JU had a healthy hub-and-spoke through mainly BEG and ZAG, are gone.
I doubt that we will see any scheduled long-haul services into any former YU capitals, apart from maybe EK or EY deciding to take the plunge and fill their seats on flights to Oz, now that JU is pulling the plug on DXB flights.