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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06LBgfuxgA&feature=related


Found this on you tube while looking at some other videos suggested by other A.netters. What bothers me, and maybe this has been answered already, but waht caused the engine to re-start, and go full bore? From what I could tell the pilot and all pax were off the plane. It was kind of disturbing watching that plane do its own thing with no one at the controls. The NTSB report doesn't say anything about it. This happened 5/15/2005 in Atlantic city. Does anyone know anything about it?


Here is the NTSB report:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=NYC05LA085&rpt=fa


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

My guess would be the computers got messed up when they got dumped in water and told the engine to go for it.

No matter what though, one dumb pilot.


User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

I would guess that he also didn't follow some emegency procdures by not pulling the T-handles. What really amazes me is that water never seem to be ingested into the engine while it was running. I have seen engine 3 feet or so above ground pull in water vapor after it has rained, this engine was maybe a foot away from water and nothing...


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2108 times:



Quoting B727LVR (Reply 2):
I would guess that he also didn't follow some emegency procdures by not pulling the T-handles. What really amazes me is that water never seem to be ingested into the engine while it was running. I have seen engine 3 feet or so above ground pull in water vapor after it has rained, this engine was maybe a foot away from water and nothing...

Perhaps the upward angle? And were the engines you saw larger/more powerful? Just thoughts.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

There are other threads on this - but the basics are that the pilot was more concerned with getting himself and his non-pilot friends off the plane and did not shut down the aircraft engines properly.

I've seen lengthy technical posts about how this behavior is possible and why the aircraft checklist must be followed.

The pilot has a lot of political pull in his home nation and was back flying another aircraft of that model within a couple weeks.

I've seen reports from people in his home nation that he is a crash waiting to happen, but no one with the power to stop him from flying is willing to ground him.

If you go into the longer report, you will see that he was supposedly landing at KACY and that was the tower he was talking to, but he landed at KAIY, and had the KAIY landing plates open in the cockpit, which are clearly marked that jet aircraft cannot use that airport.

Best case landing length for a C-525 is over 3,000 ft, with the wind he had that day over 3,700 feet are needed. The runway is under 3,000 feet long.

[Edited 2009-01-04 17:17:05]

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

IIRC from the last thread we had on this, the throttles were stuck in the to/ga mode and since the engines did not get submerged, they were still running thus the sudden throttle up.


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1900 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 4):
The pilot has a lot of political pull in his home nation and was back flying another aircraft of that model within a couple weeks.

How true, the accident aircraft was OY-JET. As a funny sidebar to the story, when he bought the replacement Citation (Sovereign), he registered it OY-WET. Guy must be a real hoot.



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1846 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 5):
IIRC from the last thread we had on this, the throttles were stuck in the to/ga mode and since the engines did not get submerged, they were still running thus the sudden throttle up.

I believe the NTSB report showed that the left throttle was in the idle cut-off position, and the right throttle was at idle, but bent over to the right. These were the throttles in the cockpit.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1806 times:



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 6):
Guy must be a real hoot.

Isnt he the one that's in the infamous a.net photo of the shirtless pilot?



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineJETA1863 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

Ya know, this may have NOTHING to do with it, but when things like this happen it really makes me wonder about FADEC....... :-/


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1237 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 8):

Isnt he the one that's in the infamous a.net photo of the shirtless pilot?

Yes, I think this is him.

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