TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3220 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14606 times:
Looking at Flightaware, the only thing inbound from Mexico was a Global Express from Cabo...
KirkSeattle From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14496 times:
How are the conditions in YVR? Snowing in Seattle, but due to turn to rain shortly.
Ayqzbr From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14409 times:
CTV now posting that it was a private Cessna Citation flying in from Mexico with 3 pax. No fire, no apparent injuries (but the headline says it crashed). .
CO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14198 times:
Its snowing right now in Vancouver but it should turn to rain by midnight. I know that wont help the 3 people on the Citation. I hope the 3 are not badly injured.
Bartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13243 times:
YYJ saw some diversions tonight due to this and the wx. more a/c than we had spots for. AC B767 parked on RWY 31 for 4 hours as we didn't have appropriate towbar on station.
RB211TriStar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11994 times:
Quoting Bartonsayswhat (Reply 7): YYJ saw some diversions tonight due to this and the wx. more a/c than we had spots for. AC B767 parked on RWY 31 for 4 hours as we didn't have appropriate towbar on station.
That must have been cool to see. Is that the biggest aircraft you've had in Victoria in a while? Biggest I've ever seen there is a WS 73-7
YXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 306 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10879 times:
Is it just me or has it been a very long time since there was an airplane off the runway at YVR? I have worked there for 5 years and I don't recall anything in that time, can someone please shed some light on that?
Ayqzbr From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10693 times:
Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 10): Is it just me or has it been a very long time since there was an airplane off the runway at YVR? I have worked there for 5 years and I don't recall anything in that time, can someone please shed some light on that?
I can't shed any light on your question (sorry!), but since you work there, do you have any observations on YVR runway/taxiway/ramp conditions last night and also over the troubled holiday period. In a quote in today's Vancouver Province, the YVR Director of Communications says that "Snow was falling, but it was not considered a factor in the crash" and "a number of flights were delayed, probably because the snowy conditions made deicing of all departing flights mandatory". The CTV story says that airport operations were not affected. All of this is clearly not correct, since numerous diversions took place (some as noted earlier in this thread).
There were strong hints over the holidays that YVR's snow clearing was deficient or badly performed, yet the emphasis is always on the individual airline's ability (or in AC's case, the lack of it) to de-ice. The notice on the YVR website that operations were normal disappeared in the middle of last night's nights events, and has been replaced with a notice about winter weather condtions and advising passengers to check flight times.
The Vancouver media talks of blizzard conditions last night, along with road closures and transit woes. So YVR must have had some snow clearing to do, but this is never mentioned. Do you (or any other YVR insiders) have any information or comment?
PlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 612 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8998 times:
Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 9): That must have been cool to see. Is that the biggest aircraft you've had in Victoria in a while? Biggest I've ever seen there is a WS 73-7
There was some sort of NATO meeting (?) in Victoria a while ago, and I distinctly remember seeing a government/military A310 taking off. (I think it was Canadian, but I am not sure.)
Am I cured? Slept 5 hours on last long-haul flight...
I have actually been lucky enough to have avoided the last 5 days of work (just the way my schedule worked out) so I can't really help you. Regarding the December 20th - 31st period, I worked that solid and can shed some hopefully very helpful light on that.
YVR hasn't been hit like this in many years and to be honest I don't think they could have been better prepared for an airport in a weather region like this. Yes, some would say that I am making a bold statement and this is Canada etc but really when it comes to it this type of winter only really happens once every 10 years. Being young the last big winter storm I remember was 96' and many people have said that this is worse. I am going to be working tonight and I will be happy to provide an update if I can get one.
I think this winter has been especially difficult as many people don't prepare for it properly in Vancouver and the surrounding areas as we may only get a week of bad weather a year and that's it. I think this is a good wake-up call for the city as well as for YVR to be better prepared in regards to scheduling of people and making sure that the plows and snow removal crews are going to be available around the clock especially for next February 2010.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7598 posts, RR: 40 Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7170 times:
Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 10): Is it just me or has it been a very long time since there was an airplane off the runway at YVR? I have worked there for 5 years and I don't recall anything in that time, can someone please shed some light on that?
Quoting Amritpal (Reply 14): Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe about an year ago AC B777 overshot on landing. Went little further than supposed to.
Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 9): That must have been cool to see. Is that the biggest aircraft you've had in Victoria in a while? Biggest I've ever seen there is a WS 73-7
IIRC, there is a member on this site who works at YYJ, anyways he had a picture of himself standing underneath a TS A330 at YYJ in one of the self pic threads, so I guess YYJ sees the TS A330 everyonce in awhile.
Bartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6296 times:
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 16): member on this site who works at YYJ,
that was me. TS comes twice a year in november, once YEG-YYJ-ZLO and a week later ZLO-YYJ-YEG. a mechanic comes from vancouver in a van with a towbar, and ULDs come over on a truck, both via the ferry.
The DND A310, C-17 and C-130 do make stops in victoria every now and then, but they all go on the military ramp, kind of out of sight and out of mind. sometimes with the A310 they need our loader to get cans out, but those are few and far between. also these all turn out, so no pushing.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7598 posts, RR: 40 Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6027 times:
Quoting Bartonsayswhat (Reply 18): that was me. TS comes twice a year in november, once YEG-YYJ-ZLO and a week later ZLO-YYJ-YEG. a mechanic comes from vancouver in a van with a towbar, and ULDs come over on a truck, both via the ferry.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21495 posts, RR: 24 Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5900 times:
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 16): Quoting Amritpal (Reply 14):
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe about an year ago AC B777 overshot on landing. Went little further than supposed to.
AC's B777 coming in from SYD skidded off the runway while exiting back in March ...
I can recall a few CP Air DC-10-30s operating to YYJ years ago, probably charters. For at least a couple of years sometime in the 1970s or thereabouts, AC operated one daily YVR-YYJ flight with a DC-8-61 which must have been almost as big as the terminal building then. It operated YYZ-YVR-YYJ, overnighted at YYJ, and departed on the same route eastbound the following morning. I'm sure YVR-YYJ (34 nm) was AC's shortest-ever scheduled route using a DC-8.
YVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2095 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5685 times:
The aircraft is a Mexican registered Citation 650
Weather was awful last night, it was pretty windy and raining heavily and it just turned into snow suddenly around 5pm and we got about an inch more snow, the temperature was -1. It must have warmed up during the night and turned into rain again as it wasnt that icey this morning, just slushy. Its 4 degress right now.
However, it seems this may not have been wx related as I believe the nosegear collapsed on landing and the pilot radioed in with gear problems. Heres the CADORS report:
On landing runway 12, A private Mexican registered Citation 650, IFR Tijuana to Vancouver exited the runway at a high rate of speed. Aircraft came to rest in the grass aprox 400 feet north of runway 08R on the east side of runway 12. ERS advised and responded. Five souls on board. No injuries reported. Runway 08R and Runway 12 NOTAMed closed until 051300.
So it seems it came to rest just outside Shell. Unusal to put a bizjet down on 12 in such weather, particularly when they knew he had gear problems???? Surely they should have put him down on 08R where he had an extra 3900'??
YXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 306 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4326 times:
It'll be interesting to see how this one pan's out. Currently the plane is in a hangar at YVR's south terminal with the nose sitting on wood pallets. One of my co-workers talked with the pilots who are happy to be alive and mentioned that about 15 min before landing they went through some of the roughest turbulence they had ever experienced. They then described the landing conditions as being awful and then with a nose gear problem almost being impossible to land it safely.
It is quite the sight to see, having never really seen a plane up close with that type of damage before it's really amazing to see how well built this plane was to be able to withstand a strong impact at high speed.
YVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2095 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3976 times:
Latest CADORS update - seems the NG didnt collapse until the aircraft went off the runway.
"UPDATE / Added Info from TSB: A09P0002 - A corporate Cessna Citation III (650) was landing on Runway 12 at Vancouver from Tijuana, Mexico with 5 POB. The aircraft began to drift to the left early in the landing roll and exited the runway surface about 4500' from the threshold. It travelled through a berm of plowed snow about 18" deep for about 400-500 feet alongside the runway edge lights, during which time the nose wheel collapsed. The aircraft came to rest straddling the line of runway edge lights beyond the hold short line for the crossing Runway 08R/26L. The occupants partially opened the main entrance door and evacuated the aircraft. ARFF crews arrived within two minutes. There were no injuries, fire or hazardous material spills. The hourly METAR (1700 PST) recorded the wind at Vancouver as 14026G33KT with 5 sm vis in light rain showers and temperature of +03C. A special observation issued at 1722 (observation likely taken 10 -15 minutes before the issue time) recorded the wind as 12023G29KT with 2.5 sm visibility in light rain and snow showers and temperature of +01C. The runway surface was wet and snow had not been forecast; therefore, there was no runway surface condition (RSC) report available."
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