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Plane Off Runway At YVR  
User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16106 times:

CTV just announced a flight from Mexico went off the runway at YVR, no other info at this time

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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16098 times:

Was this an A320?

I hope that all the pax are safe!!!



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16010 times:

Looking at Flightaware, the only thing inbound from Mexico was a Global Express from Cabo...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N161WC


User currently offlineKirkSeattle From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15900 times:

How are the conditions in YVR? Snowing in Seattle, but due to turn to rain shortly.

Hope all crew and passengers are safe.

-Kirk


User currently offlineAyqzbr From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15813 times:

CTV now posting that it was a private Cessna Citation flying in from Mexico with 3 pax. No fire, no apparent injuries (but the headline says it crashed). .

User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15602 times:

Its snowing right now in Vancouver but it should turn to rain by midnight. I know that wont help the 3 people on the Citation. I hope the 3 are not badly injured.

User currently offlineAmritpal From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15151 times:

http://www.news1130.com/news/national/more.jsp?content=n010445A

News1130 reporting pilot reported of landing gear problem before the landing



Lost in Translation
User currently offlineBartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14647 times:

YYJ saw some diversions tonight due to this and the wx. more a/c than we had spots for. AC B767 parked on RWY 31 for 4 hours as we didn't have appropriate towbar on station.

User currently offlineAmritpal From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14300 times:

At 0100 PST, rwy 08 L was being used for takeoff/landings. 08R and 12 closed until further notice as per ATIS


Lost in Translation
User currently offlineRB211TriStar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13398 times:



Quoting Bartonsayswhat (Reply 7):
YYJ saw some diversions tonight due to this and the wx. more a/c than we had spots for. AC B767 parked on RWY 31 for 4 hours as we didn't have appropriate towbar on station.

That must have been cool to see. Is that the biggest aircraft you've had in Victoria in a while? Biggest I've ever seen there is a WS 73-7


User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12283 times:

Is it just me or has it been a very long time since there was an airplane off the runway at YVR? I have worked there for 5 years and I don't recall anything in that time, can someone please shed some light on that?

User currently offlineAyqzbr From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12097 times:



Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 10):
Is it just me or has it been a very long time since there was an airplane off the runway at YVR? I have worked there for 5 years and I don't recall anything in that time, can someone please shed some light on that?

I can't shed any light on your question (sorry!), but since you work there, do you have any observations on YVR runway/taxiway/ramp conditions last night and also over the troubled holiday period. In a quote in today's Vancouver Province, the YVR Director of Communications says that "Snow was falling, but it was not considered a factor in the crash" and "a number of flights were delayed, probably because the snowy conditions made deicing of all departing flights mandatory". The CTV story says that airport operations were not affected. All of this is clearly not correct, since numerous diversions took place (some as noted earlier in this thread).

There were strong hints over the holidays that YVR's snow clearing was deficient or badly performed, yet the emphasis is always on the individual airline's ability (or in AC's case, the lack of it) to de-ice. The notice on the YVR website that operations were normal disappeared in the middle of last night's nights events, and has been replaced with a notice about winter weather condtions and advising passengers to check flight times.

The Vancouver media talks of blizzard conditions last night, along with road closures and transit woes. So YVR must have had some snow clearing to do, but this is never mentioned. Do you (or any other YVR insiders) have any information or comment?


User currently onlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1982 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11566 times:



Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 10):

The last one I can remember is that CP DC-10 that ran of the end of 25R (I think it was 25 at the time vice 26).

Quoting Bartonsayswhat (Reply 7):

I remember when the Comonwealth Games were in YYJ AC used a 744 to fly YVR-YYJ-YVR.



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User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10402 times:



Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 9):
That must have been cool to see. Is that the biggest aircraft you've had in Victoria in a while? Biggest I've ever seen there is a WS 73-7

There was some sort of NATO meeting (?) in Victoria a while ago, and I distinctly remember seeing a government/military A310 taking off. (I think it was Canadian, but I am not sure.)



Am I cured? Slept 5 hours on last long-haul flight...
User currently offlineAmritpal From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9929 times:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe about an year ago AC B777 overshot on landing. Went little further than supposed to.


Lost in Translation
User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9822 times:



Quoting Ayqzbr (Reply 11):

I have actually been lucky enough to have avoided the last 5 days of work (just the way my schedule worked out) so I can't really help you. Regarding the December 20th - 31st period, I worked that solid and can shed some hopefully very helpful light on that.

YVR hasn't been hit like this in many years and to be honest I don't think they could have been better prepared for an airport in a weather region like this. Yes, some would say that I am making a bold statement and this is Canada etc but really when it comes to it this type of winter only really happens once every 10 years. Being young the last big winter storm I remember was 96' and many people have said that this is worse. I am going to be working tonight and I will be happy to provide an update if I can get one.

I think this winter has been especially difficult as many people don't prepare for it properly in Vancouver and the surrounding areas as we may only get a week of bad weather a year and that's it. I think this is a good wake-up call for the city as well as for YVR to be better prepared in regards to scheduling of people and making sure that the plows and snow removal crews are going to be available around the clock especially for next February 2010.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8574 times:



Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 10):
Is it just me or has it been a very long time since there was an airplane off the runway at YVR? I have worked there for 5 years and I don't recall anything in that time, can someone please shed some light on that?



Quoting Amritpal (Reply 14):
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe about an year ago AC B777 overshot on landing. Went little further than supposed to.

AC's B777 coming in from SYD skidded off the runway while exiting back in March ...
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/n...6bc2-4783-a1f3-f56c378e9f85&k=2774

Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 9):
That must have been cool to see. Is that the biggest aircraft you've had in Victoria in a while? Biggest I've ever seen there is a WS 73-7

IIRC, there is a member on this site who works at YYJ, anyways he had a picture of himself standing underneath a TS A330 at YYJ in one of the self pic threads, so I guess YYJ sees the TS A330 everyonce in awhile.



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User currently offlineAmritpal From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8549 times:

update to my last post. the AC 777 off runway that i was talking about can be read in here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3908368/


Lost in Translation
User currently offlineBartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7700 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 16):
member on this site who works at YYJ,

that was me. TS comes twice a year in november, once YEG-YYJ-ZLO and a week later ZLO-YYJ-YEG. a mechanic comes from vancouver in a van with a towbar, and ULDs come over on a truck, both via the ferry.

The DND A310, C-17 and C-130 do make stops in victoria every now and then, but they all go on the military ramp, kind of out of sight and out of mind. sometimes with the A310 they need our loader to get cans out, but those are few and far between. also these all turn out, so no pushing.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7431 times:



Quoting Bartonsayswhat (Reply 18):
that was me. TS comes twice a year in november, once YEG-YYJ-ZLO and a week later ZLO-YYJ-YEG. a mechanic comes from vancouver in a van with a towbar, and ULDs come over on a truck, both via the ferry.

Thanks for clearing that up  bigthumbsup 



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7304 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 16):
Quoting Amritpal (Reply 14):
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe about an year ago AC B777 overshot on landing. Went little further than supposed to.

AC's B777 coming in from SYD skidded off the runway while exiting back in March ...

I can recall a few CP Air DC-10-30s operating to YYJ years ago, probably charters. For at least a couple of years sometime in the 1970s or thereabouts, AC operated one daily YVR-YYJ flight with a DC-8-61 which must have been almost as big as the terminal building then. It operated YYZ-YVR-YYJ, overnighted at YYJ, and departed on the same route eastbound the following morning. I'm sure YVR-YYJ (34 nm) was AC's shortest-ever scheduled route using a DC-8.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7192 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
I'm sure YVR-YYJ (34 nm) was AC's shortest-ever scheduled route using a DC-8.

Yeah, I would think so ...  Silly

I'm wondering if AC, CP, WD, PW (767s) did this on any of their YYJ routes? Best be kept for another thread though or PM me if you know of any.

I'm assuming YVR is back to normal operations by now?



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

The aircraft is a Mexican registered Citation 650

Weather was awful last night, it was pretty windy and raining heavily and it just turned into snow suddenly around 5pm and we got about an inch more snow, the temperature was -1. It must have warmed up during the night and turned into rain again as it wasnt that icey this morning, just slushy. Its 4 degress right now.

However, it seems this may not have been wx related as I believe the nosegear collapsed on landing and the pilot radioed in with gear problems. Heres the CADORS report:

On landing runway 12, A private Mexican registered Citation 650, IFR Tijuana to Vancouver exited the runway at a high rate of speed. Aircraft came to rest in the grass aprox 400 feet north of runway 08R on the east side of runway 12. ERS advised and responded. Five souls on board. No injuries reported. Runway 08R and Runway 12 NOTAMed closed until 051300.

So it seems it came to rest just outside Shell. Unusal to put a bizjet down on 12 in such weather, particularly when they knew he had gear problems???? Surely they should have put him down on 08R where he had an extra 3900'??



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User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5730 times:

It'll be interesting to see how this one pan's out. Currently the plane is in a hangar at YVR's south terminal with the nose sitting on wood pallets. One of my co-workers talked with the pilots who are happy to be alive and mentioned that about 15 min before landing they went through some of the roughest turbulence they had ever experienced. They then described the landing conditions as being awful and then with a nose gear problem almost being impossible to land it safely.

It is quite the sight to see, having never really seen a plane up close with that type of damage before it's really amazing to see how well built this plane was to be able to withstand a strong impact at high speed.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Latest CADORS update - seems the NG didnt collapse until the aircraft went off the runway.

"UPDATE / Added Info from TSB: A09P0002 - A corporate Cessna Citation III (650) was landing on Runway 12 at Vancouver from Tijuana, Mexico with 5 POB. The aircraft began to drift to the left early in the landing roll and exited the runway surface about 4500' from the threshold. It travelled through a berm of plowed snow about 18" deep for about 400-500 feet alongside the runway edge lights, during which time the nose wheel collapsed. The aircraft came to rest straddling the line of runway edge lights beyond the hold short line for the crossing Runway 08R/26L. The occupants partially opened the main entrance door and evacuated the aircraft. ARFF crews arrived within two minutes. There were no injuries, fire or hazardous material spills. The hourly METAR (1700 PST) recorded the wind at Vancouver as 14026G33KT with 5 sm vis in light rain showers and temperature of +03C. A special observation issued at 1722 (observation likely taken 10 -15 minutes before the issue time) recorded the wind as 12023G29KT with 2.5 sm visibility in light rain and snow showers and temperature of +01C. The runway surface was wet and snow had not been forecast; therefore, there was no runway surface condition (RSC) report available."

Aircraft is XA-PYN operated by Aero Cabo. Theres a photo here http://discussions.flightaware.com/v...d=c2b66cd786a64bd27343884f4c18c223



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